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[QUOTE=IAmAnooB;35854091]How about dagon on Pugna/Shadow demon? It's not the best item or so. But it could help burst down annoying heros, or am I totally wrong? But most cases it's just better to go a sheep stick probably.[/QUOTE] there are better items

[QUOTE=IAmAnooB;35854091]How about dagon on Pugna/Shadow demon? It's not the best item or so. But it could help burst down annoying heros, or am I totally wrong? But most cases it's just better to go a sheep stick probably.[/QUOTE] Not good on Pugna. Just because you have something that increases magic damage doesn't mean you should dump your money into something stupid. Pugna is a support hero anyway. Shadow Demon...has no use for Dagon. He's an anti-carry and should be getting as much CC as possible. [B]E:[/B] Put it this way: would you rather hit Anti-Mage with a 100 damage nuke (Dagon 1 taking MR into account) or would you rather disable him completely for 3.5 seconds (Scythe of Vyse)?

[QUOTE=The Luftwaffle;35853977]Pretty much this. The amount of heroes that Dagon is viable on can be counted on one hand.[/QUOTE] Pugna, Lion, Tinker, Nature's Prophet, Morphling (when combined with Ethereal Blade) and Nerubian Assassin. [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] That said ther eare better choices, but it's still got more uses then say, Ethereal Blade.

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;35854178][del]Pugna, Lion, Tinker, Nature's Prophet, Morphling (when combined with Ethereal Blade)[/del] and Nerubian Assassin.[/QUOTE] Nerubian Assassin and Witch Doctor are the only two heroes I think of when I think "Building Dagon" and they're still gimmicky uses. [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] And if you rush Ethereal Blade into Dagon on Morphling you're the worst player to stain the world of DotA.

Wouldn't dagon also be (barely) viable on natures prophet? I played with maybe 2 or 3 that built a dagon and did pretty good. A nuke on top of global presence isn't really that bad.

[QUOTE=titopei;35854375]Wouldn't dagon also be (barely) viable on natures prophet? I played with maybe 2 or 3 that built a dagon and did pretty good. A nuke on top of global presence isn't really that bad.[/QUOTE] rofl no [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=RagerTrader;35854178]Pugna, Lion, Tinker, Nature's Prophet, Morphling (when combined with Ethereal Blade) and Nerubian Assassin. [/QUOTE] yeah bro if singsing can do it so can i [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] are you only mentioning NA because someone else said that?

Everyone seems to think that getting dagon on someone who already has a nuke is a good thing to do. AKA, QoP, Lion, Lina

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;35854393]rofl no [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] yeah bro if singsing can do it so can i [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] are you only mentioning NA because someone else said that?[/QUOTE] Why not? I'm pretty sure a 400 damage nuke and some mediocre stat gains early game are pretty good in a pub.

Laugh at me if you want, but I don't see how Dagon on Weaver is better than on any other invis hero.

And if I'm doing the math right, you also get 25 + damage (16 intel points, 9 damage) [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] automerge

[QUOTE=titopei;35854651]And if I'm doing the math right, you also get 25 + damage (16 intel points, 9 damage) [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] automerge[/QUOTE] And if you got a Scythe of Vyse you would get +35 damage, more alternate stats than Dagon, mana regen and an invaluable 3.5 second disable.

[QUOTE=Banned?;35854720]And if you got a Scythe of Vyse you would get +35 damage, more alternate stats than Dagon, mana regen and an invaluable 3.5 second disable.[/QUOTE] If you can farm that early game then go ahead. I'm not saying that dagon is the best item, but for a global presence ganker, a nuke would just make him even better.

[QUOTE=titopei;35854753]If you can farm that early game then go ahead. I'm not saying that dagon is the best item, but for a global presence ganker, a nuke would just make him even better.[/QUOTE] so would a 3.5 sec disable [editline]7th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Maruhai;35854630]Laugh at me if you want, but I don't see how Dagon on Weaver is better than on any other invis hero.[/QUOTE] nerubian weaver =/= nerubian assassin

Why are you guys comparing a 2805 gold item to a 5675 gold item in effectiveness.

[QUOTE=To the Ski;35851705]Okay, so, I'm making the cross from LoL to Dota2. This is gonna sound dumb probably, but is there a way to focus the camera on your hero? Or do you have to guide it manually?[/QUOTE] You could do what I do, a mix of both. If you go to options and then controls/key bindings, you'll see that "select hero" is bound to F1. Changing that to "space" lets you get a similar effect to LoL, except you have to double tap + hold the space bar the whole time to keep it centered. It's not that much of a hassle, and unlike most Dota 2 players I absolutely CANNOT play with a free camera. It's just personal preference. Although probably not for me. It's necessary for me. I'm REALLY bad with a free camera. [editline]6th May 2012[/editline] Like, REALLY bad. You have no idea.

[QUOTE=Nelth;35854843]Why are you guys comparing a 2805 gold item to a 5675 gold item in effectiveness.[/QUOTE] Because I prefer to spend twice the gold for an effective item all game long rather than an item I need to upgrade every 5 minutes (costing 1200 gold each time) to keep somewhat effective.

its good on tinker if you already have the cores? rocket+laser+dagon+rearm sounds good on paper

[QUOTE=Gate;35854902]its good on tinker if you already have the cores? rocket+laser+dagon+rearm sounds good on paper[/QUOTE] Oh dear lord, vyse+rocket+laser+dagon+rearm. Everybody's getting [b]dead[/b]

[QUOTE=Gate;35854902]its good on tinker if you already have the cores? rocket+laser+dagon+rearm sounds good on paper[/QUOTE] You don't have enough mana to make it efficient, plus March of the Machines is probably one of the best skills, don't waste your mana on Dagon when you could use it more often.

[QUOTE=Maruhai;35854877]Because I prefer to spend twice the gold for an effective item all game long rather than an item I need to upgrade every 5 minutes (costing 1200 gold each time) to keep somewhat effective.[/QUOTE] sheep stick is more of a later game item dagon is more of a early game item dagon is raw damage and loses it's effectiveness as the game progresses sheep stick will always be good because it carries a disable within it dagon is 2870 gold more cheaper than sheep stick, making it more of a reality to get it much earlier meaning the effectiveness can be used much sooner than sheep stick why are you guys even comparing dagon to sheep stick in the first place when they have such huge gold differences + have different actives

Because Dagon is a bad [I]bad[/I] item and Sheepstick is an item worth saving for and I am sick of seeing Dagon.

[QUOTE=Maruhai;35854959]You don't have enough mana to make it efficient, plus March of the Machines is probably one of the best skills, don't waste your mana on Dagon when you could use it more often.[/QUOTE] march isn't nearly as good as it used to be

[QUOTE=psychojake;35850559]Had a game where no one called misses, we got ganked a ton early game. We payed for it in the end.[/QUOTE] learn to look at the map

dagon is a bad item because i think it is a bad item! yasha is a bad item, you should save up and buy daedalus instead i am sick of seeing yasha

[QUOTE=Nelth;35855367]dagon is a bad item because i think it is a bad item! yasha is a bad item, you should save up and buy daedalus instead i am sick of seeing yasha[/QUOTE] I was playing with a lifestealer last night. After his armlet he immediately began buying a bkb. I told him "You don't really need a BKB as lifestealer at least not right now but maybe later. You should be getting attack speed or work on an abyssal blade." Know what he fucking does? He buys a fucking sange and yasha. All the fucks I gave that game were immediately thrown out the window.

[QUOTE=Nelth;35855367]dagon is a bad item because i think it is a bad item! yasha is a bad item, you should save up and buy daedalus instead i am sick of seeing yasha[/QUOTE] Are you retarded? Yasha upgrades into one of the best items for ranged carries. Dagon upgrades into the most expensive, useless nukes in the game.

[QUOTE=Murdoco;35855420]I was playing with a lifestealer last night. After his armlet he immediately began buying a bkb. I told him "You don't really need a BKB as lifestealer at least not right now but maybe later. You should be getting attack speed or work on an abyssal blade." Know what he fucking does? He buys a fucking sange and yasha. All the fucks I gave that game were immediately thrown out the window.[/QUOTE] ok so the ls was building a bkb and you told him to get an abyssal who am i supposed to be sympathising with

i was being sarcastic, but at least now you see how stupid it looks when i am comparing 2 different items and a nuke is never bad, you are just mad because pubs build it all the time and think they can work it out

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;35855482]ok so the ls was building a bkb and you told him to get an abyssal who am i supposed to be sympathising with[/QUOTE] I meant work towards one. I usually get some attack speed then build one later to help lock down BKB'd enemies. He doesn't need to rush a bkb when he has one built in. He bought the sange and yasha and it didn't help him or us at all.

[QUOTE=Nelth;35855497] and a nuke is never bad,[/QUOTE] i fuckin know right, this is why dagon first dragon knight is the only way to play