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[QUOTE=Murdoco;36066003]Alchemist on the other hand is overall shit. And you aren't even arguing you are just saying "ALCHEMIST NOT BAD" with no argument. Every time I see one they do amazingly awful and are extremely easy to counter and really easy to gank. [/QUOTE] His Ult gives him one of the highest BATs in the game, he turns into a massive tank, has the BEST, bar none, farming mechanism in the game, and his Q is great in teamfights. Do NOT underestimate the power of -6 armor in a team full of auto attackers, especially if you build Cuirass on him. (Which you should.) I agree that UC could use a rework, though. Not enough of a reward for the risk you take.

[QUOTE=Murdoco;36066003]I actually think batrider is a great hero (annoying voice though..) that can really help in team fights and just being really annoying in lanes. Alchemist on the other hand is overall shit. And you aren't even arguing you are just saying "ALCHEMIST NOT BAD" with no argument. Every time I see one they do amazingly awful and are extremely easy to counter and really easy to gank. Sure his ult gives him movespeed and health regen and all that other crap but that doesn't really make it too difficult to kill him. I really don't see alchemist remaining the way he is and being viable in any game. But without some form of a rework he just isn't viable in any game.[/QUOTE] He has a badass stun that is countered by nobody being nearby [(let it target creeps, assholes) then again don't use it so recklessly] gigantic area armor burning hp chewing skill that closes off the enemy's last hitting for a bit, an amazing gold gathering skill if you can last hit well, and a spammable ult that just boosts your everything. People just fuck up because they use his stun to chase, the guy gets out of range and he gets stunned then they turn around and kill alch really quickly then type LOL in chat.

[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;36066113]He has a badass stun that is countered by nobody being nearby [(let it target creeps, assholes) then again don't use it so recklessly] gigantic area armor burning hp chewing skill that closes off the enemy's last hitting for a bit, an amazing gold gathering skill if you can last hit well, and a spammable ult that just boosts your everything. People just fuck up because they use his stun to chase, the guy gets out of range and he gets stunned then they turn around and kill alch really quickly then type LOL in chat.[/QUOTE] Best way to use your stun is to max it by seven and use it for early ganks as soon as you buy phase boots. No one sees it coming.

I was thinking about trying jakiro, what items suit it?

[QUOTE=Tibbolax;36066280]I was thinking about trying jakiro, what items suit it?[/QUOTE] All you need on yourself is regular boots, then get anything your team needs as a whole. Obvious choices are Sheep Stick, Mek, and Drums. [editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yY1TN.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=OluapPlayer;36065939]Everytime I play a game and someone picks Alchemist, the team already goes "Oh boy, Alchemist."[/QUOTE] Alchemist is a great hero, just few people can play him right

[QUOTE=Maruhai;36066494]All you need on yourself is regular boots, then get anything your team needs as a whole. Obvious choices are Sheep Stick, Mek, and Drums. [editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yY1TN.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] IE "Why anti-mage is OP, a step-by-step explanation."

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;36066766]IE "Why anti-mage is OP, a step-by-step explanation."[/QUOTE] You can bitch all you want, AM isn't even near as "OP" as Lycan, if we can even call him OP.

[QUOTE=Maruhai;36066943]You can bitch all you want, AM isn't even near as "OP" as Lycan, if we can even call him OP.[/QUOTE] Lycan is the MOST consistently picked/banned in the pro scene, it's just a fact. No ifs, ands, or buts about it, if you think Lycan is balanced you are wrong and a dumb-ass. He is broken as all hell. Anti-mage is arguable. He's tanky as all hell, deals great damage, and can escape anything. But at least you can screw over his farming easily enough, unlike Lycan. He is a pain in the ass to play against but at least he is countered by high physical DPS and long stuns, unlike Lycan who just wins the game once he has BKB.

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;36067064]Lycan is the MOST consistently picked/banned in the pro scene, it's just a fact. No ifs, ands, or buts about it, if you think Lycan is balanced you are wrong and a dumb-ass. He is broken as all hell. [/QUOTE] branches are the most commonly used item in all of dota, please nerf, if you think theyre balanced you are wrong and a dumb-ass.

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;36067079]branches are the most commonly used item in all of dota, please nerf, if you think theyre balanced you are wrong and a dumb-ass.[/QUOTE] The shop is used by every single player in every match remove it is so imba.

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;36067114]The shop is used by every single player in every match remove it is so imba.[/QUOTE] "this thing is picked/bought consistently" isnt a valid argument for calling something overpowered

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;36067079]branches are the most commonly used item in all of dota, please nerf, if you think theyre balanced you are wrong and a dumb-ass.[/QUOTE] That's not really the same type of argument. Even though they are common and powerful and cheap, they're limited by the fact that you would need a ton of them, and you only have 6 inventory slots. Chen is also almost always picked or banned, does that make him over powered? It's not so much that those heroes are overpowered, but they're just really annoying to deal with, and so most pro teams don't want to deal with them.

lycan isnt considered overpowered in pro games, its just that nobody can be fucking bothered with dealing with him

[QUOTE=CowThing;36067141]That's not really the same type of argument. Even though they are common and powerful and cheap, they're limited by the fact that you would need a ton of them, and you only have 6 inventory slots. Chen is also almost always picked or banned, does that make him over powered? It's not so much that those heroes are overpowered, but they're just really annoying to deal with, and so most pro teams don't want to deal with them.[/QUOTE] Chen isn't nearly commonly banned as Lycan, and only on certain teams where they have aplayer skilled at using Chen. Lycan, on the other hand, can fit in nearly any line up and can be played by nearly anyone effectively.

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;36067171]Chen isn't nearly commonly banned as Lycan, and only on certain teams where they have aplayer skilled at using Chen. [/QUOTE] whuh

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;36067158]lycan isnt considered overpowered in pro games, its just that nobody can be fucking bothered with dealing with him[/QUOTE] And you would have to pick up a team full of Disable Ultimates to deal with him. He hits like a train, can escape or initiate/chase on anyone or anything, is far and away the best jungler in the game while still begin able to lane perfectly fine if something goes wrong in jungle, and has NO direct counter outside of MAYBE Beastmaster, who is considerably harder to play then him.

Then shouldn't Lycan be redesigned, if he just isn't fun to play against (or with for that matter)? [editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] Also you can't deny that Lycan is probably the least farm-dependent carry in the game.

[QUOTE=The Luftwaffle;36067211]Then shouldn't Lycan be redesigned, if he just isn't fun to play against (or with for that matter)?[/QUOTE] im not arguing that lycan isnt in need of some changes, im arguing that you cant call him overpowered just because hes banned consistently

Why don't you complain on playdota.com instead of here? Then IceFrog might actually hear you out. ;)

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;36067207]And you would have to pick up a team full of Disable Ultimates to deal with him. He hits like a train, can escape or initiate/chase on anyone or anything, is far and away the best jungler in the game while still begin able to lane perfectly fine if something goes wrong in jungle, and has NO direct counter outside of MAYBE Beastmaster, who is considerably harder to play then him.[/QUOTE] yeah because lycan starts every game with 10k golds worth of items and permanent magic immunity. calling him the "best jungler in the game" is just ridiculous and arguing that he has any sort of considerable lane presence doesnt make any sense. oh, and just so you know professional dota teams usually have at least one team member who isnt challenged by the idea of playing beastmaster

Let's look at Purge's most recently casted games. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO-EFzdGqvk[/url] [B]Lycan and Chen both banned.[/B] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X17r-gfvq2c[/url] [B]Lycan banned, Chen picked.[/B] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrjEw_xSk9w[/url] [B]Lycan banned, Chen ignored.[/B] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilWfFM4Ts08[/url] [B]Lycan banned, Chen banned.[/B] Notice a common theme?

So what hero(s) do you think is(are) gonna be added in tonight? I'm not really interested in most of the remaining heroes, but I certainly hope we get two tonight.

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;36067266]Let's look at Purge's most recently casted games. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO-EFzdGqvk[/url] [B]Lycan and Chen both banned.[/B] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X17r-gfvq2c[/url] [B]Lycan banned, Chen picked.[/B] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrjEw_xSk9w[/url] [B]Lycan banned, Chen ignored.[/B] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilWfFM4Ts08[/url] [B]Lycan banned, Chen banned.[/B] Notice a common theme?[/QUOTE] notice that dota 2 has an incomplete roster of heroes?

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;36067295]notice that dota 2 has an incomplete roster of heroes?[/QUOTE] What heroes from the complete roster can counter Lycan? What heroes form the complete roster does Chen fuck over outright?

Sure, Medusa can out-carry Lycan, but she takes much longer to do so. By the time she is ready to go, lycan's team has taken every T1/2 tower. [editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] automerge

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;36067319]What heroes from the complete roster can counter Lycan?[/QUOTE] naga, techies, NA, magna, meepo is that enough because those are just the ones i can think of off the top of my head, i can get more if you really want to be this stubborn [editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=RagerTrader;36067328]Sure, Medusa can out-carry Lycan, but she takes much longer to do so. By the time she is ready to go, lycan's team has taken every T1/2 tower. [editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] automerge[/QUOTE] uh, just about any fucking agi carry can outcarry lycan (btw by the time medusa is "ready to go" the game has probably been over for 30 minutes)

[QUOTE=That Ninja;36067293]So what hero(s) do you think is(are) gonna be added in tonight? I'm not really interested in most of the remaining heroes, but I certainly hope we get two tonight.[/QUOTE] I would think we're getting Ogre Magi and/or Chaos Knight, though I wouldn't mind if they added Dirge. He sounds like a fun hero to play.

[QUOTE][editline]23rd May 2012[/editline] [B]uh, just about any fucking agi carry can outcarry lycan[/B] (btw by the time medusa is "ready to go" the game has probably been over for 30 minutes)[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;FopyRHHlt3M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M[/video] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Dumb video reply" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;36067434][video=youtube;FopyRHHlt3M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M[/video][/QUOTE] good rebuttal, im glad we continued this conversation long enough for me to realise i should ignore you