Mass Effect Megathread - This one doesn't have time for your solid waste excretions! - Games

[QUOTE=Saren;26615180][sp]London, huh, so we gonna kill off em Smug Chavs[/sp][/QUOTE] You realize that's how we win, right? OOO ALDIS REPAH GOO MEKS MEH FILL SPESHUL, LIKE A GUV'NAH

Gonna feel wierd when Shepard or whoever we are like a customized hero/ine comes upon them.

[QUOTE=Novangel;26616025]No what are you on about the Horse Armor was the best.[/QUOTE] If you don't consider the fact that it added NOTHING useful, and you don't count the rest of the TESIV DLCs, then yeah.

Very interesting video concerning the 'House Divided' dillema. [url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1974-Enriching-Lives][Link][/url]

[QUOTE=phaedon;26610749]But we all know that EA and Reapers are the same thing.[/QUOTE] They return every 50,000 years to sabotage the gaming market with their shitty DRM and terrible customer service? WAIT! I just solved the Reaper problem. Just upload EA's DRM to thim, it'll take them 50,000 years to dig themselves out of it.

[QUOTE=phaedon;26618349]Very interesting video concerning the 'House Divided' dillema. [url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/1974-Enriching-Lives][Link][/url][/QUOTE] Indeed it was a contaminated decision made even worse by my affinity for the Geth and want to make them stronger. Thinking back on it though I would still have made the same choice. They had already forgone their free will and were locked in their own, differing position. Forcing themselves to follow that path relentlessly is just as much a lack of free will as someone else imposing it on them. I did not remove their free will any more than they already had so I did not make them slaves. Instead I removed the conflict so that neither side had to fight and die. They are the same as they were previously, just not on a collision course with everyone else. While it would be a better option to remove that stubbornness and allow them to regain their complete free will, that is not always an option due to hardware and software limitations. True free will means we are able to do as we please without the bias and limitations of ourselves, something neither the Geth nor humans are able to do. With this near impossibility of uplifting them, the lesser of two evils was chosen. It did not resolve the conflict in the best way, but it was the most peaceful.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26618554]Indeed it was a contaminated decision made even worse by my affinity for the Geth and want to make them stronger. Thinking back on it though I would still have made the same choice. They had already forgone their free will and were locked in their own, differing position. Forcing themselves to follow that path relentlessly is just as much a lack of free will as someone else imposing it on them. I did not remove their free will any more than they already had so I did not make them slaves. Instead I removed the conflict so that neither side had to fight and die. They are the same as they were previously, just not on a collision course with everyone else. While it would be a better option to remove that stubbornness and allow them to regain their complete free will, that is not always an option due to hardware and software limitations. True free will means we are able to do as we please without the bias and limitations of ourselves, something neither the Geth nor humans are able to do. With this near impossibility of uplifting them, the lesser of two evils was chosen. It did not resolve the conflict in the best way, but it was the most peaceful.[/QUOTE] Well, the way that I saw it, the geth were already sort of 'indoctrinated'. I still think that they were fighting for their god, Saren, it's just that the geth cannot comprehend that they have the ability to have dynamic personalities, and perceived it as a logical error. What Shepard did was just to un-indoctrinate them. Saren used them, and the Reapers could use them as well.

[QUOTE=phaedon;26618657]Well, the way that I saw it, the geth were already sort of 'indoctrinated'. I still think that they were fighting for their god, Saren, it's just that the geth cannot comprehend that they have the ability to have dynamic personalities, and perceived it as a logical error. What Shepard did was just to un-indoctrinate them. Saren used them, and the Reapers could use them as well.[/QUOTE] Close to what I am saying. Due to hardware errors in them and issues in their base programming that caused an unbridgeable divide between the two, they had already lost their free will. They had no choice in believing it so there was no removal of free will at all. It is undetermined if the other Geth were free of this limitation or if they were just as stuck on their own side. If they were free of this error, it is a restoration of free will. If they are just as stuck, free will has not been returned and there is no good done except the avoidance of the conflict. If I was to look at it like all other conflicts then the other Geth were just as stuck in their beliefs but I cannot be certain.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26618708]Close to what I am saying. Due to hardware errors in them and issues in their base programming that caused an unbridgeable divide between the two, they had already lost their free will. They had no choice in believing it so there was no removal of free will at all. It is undetermined if the other Geth were free of this limitation or if they were just as stuck on their own side. If they were free of this error, it is a restoration of free will. If they are just as stuck, free will has not been returned and there is no good done except the avoidance of the conflict. If I was to look at it like all other conflicts then the other Geth were just as stuck in their beliefs but I cannot be certain.[/QUOTE] Yes, we do agree, even though the guy from the Escapist raises some valid points. I wonder what effects this decision will have in ME3. We now know that the game will be about gaining the trust of various races. My guess is that if you destroy the Heretics, the Quarians will seize the opportunity and retake their planet -by violence-. If you reprogram the Heretics, I think that either the Quarians will still attack Rannoch, but suffer another genocide, as the geth will consider them a threat, and hunt them down, or peace will be achieved. After all, Legion does seem open about negotiating with the Migrant Fleet.

He's open to negotiations but is very cautious due to their history. An understandable decision just like I'm sure Humans would be cautious about dealing with Turians after the First Contact war. The reality is however that the Geth have something they do not want but the Quarians do. If they can offer them something in return like information, trade routes or just the peace to exist, they will get on well together. Bad feelings on the Quarians side might cause some to be partially radical and try to retake them as slaves, something which [b]does[/b] remove their free will. I would encourage peace for all as it is more than possible. But if that were changed and conflict was imminent, I would choose the side of the Geth. The Quarians want to destroy or enslave the Geth, something I condemn greatly. The Geth do not wish any ill on the Quarians, but in their pursuit of survival, it may be unavoidable. Choosing a side based on survival or malice is not difficult.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26618818]He's open to negotiations but is very cautious due to their history. An understandable decision just like I'm sure Humans would be cautious about dealing with Turians after the First Contact war. The reality is however that the Geth have something they do not want but the Quarians do. If they can offer them something in return like information, trade routes or just the peace to exist, they will get on well together. Bad feelings on the Quarians side might cause some to be partially radical and try to retake them as slaves, something which [b]does[/b] remove their free will. I would encourage peace for all as it is more than possible. But if that were changed and conflict was imminent, I would choose the side of the Geth. The Quarians want to destroy or enslave the Geth, something I condemn greatly. The Geth do not wish any ill on the Quarians, but in their pursuit of survival, it may be unavoidable. Choosing a side based on survival or malice is not difficult.[/QUOTE] Admiral Koris vas Quib Quib is the only rational Quarian we meet, even Tali is pretty radical. And Koris is a douche. So much for peace.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;26618926]Admiral Koris vas Quib Quib is the only rational Quarian we meet, even Tali is pretty radical. And Koris is a douche. So much for peace.[/QUOTE] Well they did suffer a genocide. I understand why they are radical. And the geth are no saints either.

Wait, I wake up and ME3 is confirmed. o bby.

[QUOTE=phaedon;26618944]Well they did suffer a genocide. I understand why they are radical. And the geth are no saints either.[/QUOTE] The Geth have never done anything selfish or anything against the Quarians for personal gain. Greed or malice is not programmed into them. The Morning war was them protecting themselves from being annihilated by the Quarians and instead of offering peace to them, the Quarians fled. Then they blamed the Geth for their exile even though it is their own pride and disregard for them that forces them to not even attempt peace. The Quarians currently are stupid. They have reason for it in some way because not only do they not understand the Geth in the slightest, they have had generations of pain which they blame the Geth for needlessly. They'll need to swallow their pride and learn to understand them in order to do anything but that is not an unattainable goal. Many of them would go for that option, were they given the chance. There are very few platforms who would keep their old ways and unless they were to go rogue and do things against the will of all Quarians, they will not be an issue.

[QUOTE=phaedon;26618944]Well they did suffer a genocide. I understand why they are radical. And the geth are no saints either.[/QUOTE] 300 years is an awful long time to hold a grudge. Especially when the whole thing was your fault in the first place and you refuse to acknowledge any wrong doing.

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;26618989]Wait, I wake up and ME3 is confirmed. o bby.[/QUOTE] You should have predicted it ! Biotic god, I am dissapoint. [quote]The heretic geth aren't, but Legion is proof that they can be pretty rational and helpful.[/quote] Well, they did find it necessary to kill innocents and kick the Quarians completely out of their system.

Biotic gods need days off as well :argh:

[QUOTE=phaedon;26619018] Well, they did find it necessary to kill innocents and kick the Quarians completely out of their system.[/QUOTE] What innocents did the Geth kill? All they did was defend themselves. The Quarians left because they were too proud to admit their mistake. Hell the Geth are still maintaining the Quarian homeworld incase the Quarians come back.

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;26618989]Wait, I wake up and ME3 is confirmed. o bby.[/QUOTE] with mp oh ye

I'm not sure about the multiplayer. One the one hand a lot of single player focused games have been ruined by adding multiplayer. On the other hand Assassin's Creed was single player focused and Brotherhood is amazing all round. So Bioware could do a good job.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;26619058]I'm not sure about the multiplayer. One the one hand a lot of single player focused games have been ruined by adding multiplayer. On the other hand Assassin's Creed was single player focused and Brotherhood is amazing all round. So Bioware could do a good job.[/QUOTE] If it's a good addon, and not a bad tack-on and doesn't leach from the main game. It is good

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;26619007]300 years is an awful long time to hold a grudge. Especially when the whole thing was your fault in the first place and you refuse to acknowledge any wrong doing.[/QUOTE] It isn't so much a grudge for the loss of the Morning war as it is a redirection of the feelings from the consequences. They are forced to live in the flotilla, scavenging off other worlds. No privacy and issues far too numerous to mention. Their frustration with this is not directed at the admiralty because they do not see them as having done anything wrong. Instead of the option to blame themselves for it, they blame the Geth. The Geth are their scapegoat for the problems associated with living on the flotilla. It is reasonable for them to still have harsh feelings because it is a constant pain. Unfortunately it isn't actually their fault and they are misguided leading them to hate the Geth for something they have not done.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;26619058]I'm not sure about the multiplayer. One the one hand a lot of single player focused games have been ruined by adding multiplayer. On the other hand Assassin's Creed was single player focused and Brotherhood is amazing all round. So Bioware could do a good job.[/QUOTE] You make a good point, But i´m still skeptical. What bioware does best is SP. Although they could outsource the multiplayer part so that BW get all the time to work on the SP. Like Medal of Honor did with Dice

[QUOTE=Devodiere;26619093]It isn't so much a grudge for the loss of the Morning war as it is a redirection of the feelings from the consequences. They are forced to live in the flotilla, scavenging off other worlds. No privacy and issues far too numerous to mention. Their frustration with this is not directed at the admiralty because they do not see them as having done anything wrong. Instead of the option to blame themselves for it, they blame the Geth. The Geth are their scapegoat for the problems associated with living on the flotilla. It is reasonable for them to still have harsh feelings because it is a constant pain. Unfortunately it isn't actually their fault and they are misguided leading them to hate the Geth for something they have not done.[/QUOTE] Yep

Wait, when was MP confirmed ?

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;26619034]What innocents did the Geth kill? All they did was defend themselves. The Quarians left because they were too proud to admit their mistake. Hell the Geth are still maintaining the Quarian homeworld incase the Quarians come back.[/QUOTE] Incorrect, they are repairing the Quarian worlds from the results of the Morning War for the time the Quarians come back. Well, basically the same thing, but still isn't really.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;26619034]What innocents did the Geth kill? All they did was defend themselves. The Quarians left because they were too proud to admit their mistake. Hell the Geth are still maintaining the Quarian homeworld incase the Quarians come back.[/QUOTE] Civilians.

Well, my Shepard has been dead 2 times now. I'd say we're running out of Shepards. Or he's just taking a sun tan in the collector base.

[quote]12/11/2010 - Citadel Representatives to Evaluate Kiriks' Intelligence “The researchers studying Ekram's biotic insect colony became unexpectedly stranded today. "We told the kirik we'd have to leave if our swarm-queen -- that is, the Citadel -- pulled us off-planet," says head researcher Dr. Andile Ndiaye. "When we started back to base, the colony lifted our groundcar right off the road because it wanted to keep talking." Despite the power of the hive's biotics, Dr. Ndiaye says he never felt in danger and that the kirik immediately expressed concern that they'd damaged the team's "feelers". "Their curiosity is incredible," says Dr. Ndiaye. "Leaving them after first contact would be like abandoning a child." In response to this incident, the Citadel has sent several representatives to evaluate the kiriks' current level of intelligence and compare it to standard galactic sapience tests.” [/quote] [editline]11th December 2010[/editline] $5 they'll be in ME3 somehow. [editline]11th December 2010[/editline] $5 they'll be in ME3 somehow.

[QUOTE=WarRocker32;26611662]Anyone want to link me to a modification that'll allow me to play as either Tali or Garrus in Mass Effect 2?[/QUOTE] Join the Mass Effect Series group and read my modding tutorial in the group forums.