Knowing stuff OOCly and bringing it into IC. For example:
Mr. Assistant found out via OOC bragging and complaining that the Captain just killed his fellow friend unjustly. Not even seeing or hearing of this in-character, Mr. Assistant promptly tears the Captain a new asshole as payback. If he'd seen his friend be killed or the captain or a witness said it or such, it'd be okay. But just murking the Captain because the Assistant's friend squealed OOCly isn't good.
Yet apparently the admins are douchebags and don't care.
How this applies to what I was complaining about is, basically; yeah, an alert is sent through the station when there's a traitor or syndicate, but that's just an alert and it doesn't actually point out what's wrong and such. The heads and security get print-outs that give them IC in-depth info so they can act on it. Everyone else doesn't. Despite that, you have assistants who knock out and mug security officers, and then proceed to stun baton a syndicate who is ICly disguised and kill them on the spot. See the problem?
Yeah. I do. You're just not making it very clear on the whole Assistants mugging Syndi's.
How do they know it's you, if it hasn't been said over OOC? Do they just randomly stun people, then examine them? Or what?
Disarm is worse than harm, Harm has a chance to knock you out but disarm will push you over and make you drop things alot of the time.
[editline]04:30PM[/editline]
As traitor, Cloak device in my pocket and a backpack full of optical thermal mason sensors I stole from everyone, I watched the head of security abusing his powers on literally seven random crew members,
He had the cells loaded and was going to start executing, So I cloak on up behind him and push him over, take his laser and blow his brains out, Release the prisoners and made it on the shuttle completely unseen.
Dude, don't talk about disarm, it's like the one move that griefers / newbies don't use. I fucking love it.
[QUOTE=KingQ8;21288688]Yeah. I do. You're just not making it very clear on the whole Assistants mugging Syndi's.
How do they know it's you, if it hasn't been said over OOC? Do they just randomly stun people, then examine them? Or what?[/QUOTE]
The paths they take, the gear they wear - Syndies' names are also changed to a company name and number format, so they have to forge ID cards in their base. The syndies can then wear the cards, but it's like wearing someone else's card (ex: Toxin Company Employee #1 (as Michealangelo)). One of the syndies on that round managed to completely hide his identity somehow, forgot to ask.
But the assistants shouldn't know how a syndicate is dressed or that they're even there. I walk by several people, who ignore or not harm me, then the power goes out (planned by my fellow syndies), then I slip on wet floor and Red Sarge comes up, having stolen security gear, and kills me. I hear him saying in his radio chat after i'm killed, in no capital letters, 'i found a syndie, and killed him' (kind of ironic, since I play female characters).
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21288855]The paths they take, the gear they wear - Syndies' names are also changed to a company name and number format, so they have to forge ID cards in their base. The syndies can then wear the cards, but it's like wearing someone else's card (ex: Toxin Company Employee #1 (as Michealangelo)). One of the syndies on that round managed to completely hide his identity somehow, forgot to ask.
But the assistants shouldn't know how a syndicate is dressed or that they're even there. I walk by several people, who ignore or not harm me, then the power goes out (planned by my fellow syndies), then I slip on wet floor and Red Sarge comes up, having stolen security gear, and kills me. I hear him saying in his radio chat after i'm killed, in no capital letters, 'i found a syndie, and killed him' (kind of ironic, since I play female characters).[/QUOTE]
Oh, so you're saying it was said over OOC that there were syndicates, and because of that, some guy that should not have even been thinking of syndicates, because no one said it over radio, went for you?
I'm pretty sure everyone knows what a syndicate looks like, and whenever I see a guy in syndicate gear, I always say so over the radio. I thought it was meant to be common knowledge what suits syndicates wear?
Why do they always blow up medbay first! Especially genetics! Why god whyyyy!
Oh, I get it. You're saying a mere assistant shouldn't have been worried when you walked past wearing syndicate gear, because he shouldn't have known what it was (being an assistant), right? That doesn't work. Everyone who's been playing for any length of time knows what a syndicate looks like, and they try and kill em on sight, even if it hasn't been mentioned on radio or whatever.
You shouldn't have been walking in full syndi gear around the station. First thing you should have done is kill someone and wear their clothes.
[editline]05:46PM[/editline]
Also, Medbay is always blown up. Due to the fact that people can go there to be healed, and it's like the centre of the station. People almost always hang out there. Genetics is a target in Revolution and Syndicate because it can be used to revive characters that should stay dead.
[QUOTE=KingQ8;21289023]Oh, so you're saying it was said over OOC that there were syndicates, and because of that, some guy that should not have even been thinking of syndicates, because no one said it over radio, went for you?
I'm pretty sure everyone knows what a syndicate looks like, and whenever I see a guy in syndicate gear, I always say so over the radio. I thought it was meant to be common knowledge what suits syndicates wear?[/QUOTE]
It wasn't even said over OOC. OOC was silent besides one of the syndies complaining about having accidentally blowing himself up and getting gibbed in the process in less than a minute after the round start. No one said anything in radio, or such - not even the engineers that spotted me as I flew outside their window in my syndie spacesuit. One assistant even greeted me as I entered the station. The station just gets the 'alert' and everyone looking to 'win' goes batshit attempting to find whatever they can to kill the syndies. And if there's IC "common knowledge" about syndies, then i've never seen it in all my time of playing - people either don't recognize the syndicates (besides security and heads of course) or they start screaming about them.
EDIT: Also, as I stated earlier, I wasn't planning on killing anyone. I like being a pacifist so I don't invoke anyone's wrath on me, yet it always seems to happen anyway and they don't get in trouble - moment I decide to take some payback or retribution, the entire station turns on me and I get in major trouble.
Is it still laggy as hell?
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21289130]It wasn't even said over OOC. OOC was silent besides one of the syndies complaining about having accidentally blowing himself up and getting gibbed in the process in less than a minute after the round start. No one said anything in radio, or such - not even the engineers that spotted me as I flew outside their window in my syndie spacesuit. One assistant even greeted me as I entered the station. The station just gets the 'alert' and everyone looking to 'win' goes batshit attempting to find whatever they can to kill the syndies. And if there's IC "common knowledge" about syndies, then i've never seen it in all my time of playing - people either don't recognize the syndicates (besides security and heads of course) or they start screaming about them.
EDIT: Also, as I stated earlier, I wasn't planning on killing anyone. I like being a pacifist so I don't invoke anyone's wrath on me, yet it always seems to happen anyway and they don't get in trouble - moment I decide to take some payback or retribution, the entire station turns on me and I get in major trouble.[/QUOTE]
Dude, you're a syndicate. You're a heartless bastard. Don't be a pacifist, your job is to infiltrate the station and end up NUKING it. How is that anywhere near being a pacifist? Just take my advice, everyone will be out to kill syndicates. Whether it's the heads, or a mere assistant. We all know what a syndicate looks like. So either break in and steal clothes from a locker, so you still keep your whole pacifist facade, or kill someone for their clothes. Simple as.
Next time, don't walk through a hallway full of employees and think they'll not do a thing. Most likely didn't hurt you cause they knew you're strong and they knew you could kill them instantly. They're like a pack of dogs, as soon as you're down, they go for your throat. Show no remorse, kill any who stand in your way and cut down those who you know will try and stab you in the back.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21288368]Minorkos, if you're Red Sarge, fuck you. Bloody griefing metagamer, making floors wet and then attacking. I wasn't even going to kill anyone, I was going to be an informant.[/QUOTE]
Your name was like "Syndicate operative #1. That makes you a syndicate. Syndicates are baddies in SS13. I killed a baddie. Sounds like you're just asshurt anyway. I didn't even wet that floor, someone else did. I just took advantage of that situation and killed your syndicate ass. Are you seriously calling me a griefer for killing you when you were obviously a syndicate?
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21288368]And what is with the faggotry of the admins allowing metagaming? I adminhelped about Sarge's metagaming, and they kept responding with 'stop talking about meat', even though I made sure I spelt it right. This was confirmed when I said it in OOC once the round ended and they told me to shut up about meat already.[/QUOTE]
How is killing an obvious syndicate metagaming? As far as I know, the station personnel is aware of syndicate attacks because of there being Cent. Com reports about traitors and shit. If anything, you acting as an "informant" and not harming anyone is metagaming. You sperging about metagaming on adminhelp was probably funny to the admins so they made fun of you.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21288368]Glad that as a syndicate we won that round, but I fucking hate it when assistants and janitors just instantly 'recognize' syndicates and proceed to kill them and jack their shit. Only the heads and security should even know about that shit, and Red Sarge seemed to have jacked some poor security guard's baton and armor just to kill us specifically.[/QUOTE]
Rules such as "Pretend that you don't know that guy" are hard to enforce and I doubt there are those on SS13. This isn't exactly "serious" RP.
I didn't even know that the syndies were there before I saw you. I grabbed some security gear because I made a deal to get some things for a guy.
Well there you have it man. First time as a syndicate I take it? Walking around wearing Syndi armour and no helmet, with a name like Syndicate Operative #1 is gonna get you killed as soon as your ass touches the station floor.
Walking around thinking no one will hurt you because they don't know what a syndicate is, is just silly. Everyone knows what a syndicate is and everyone knows to kill em on sight.
You do realize that syndicate operatives are no longer called 'Syndicate' but rather a company name?
And my forged ID card was (as Sera Ratiscu). That was probably stupid on my part but i've played syndicate before and had good rounds (including being mistaken for a pizza delivery man).
And there still lies the fact that the AI was giving out arrest orders for Red Sarge because he mugged a security officer just to kill the syndicate, of which only the Heads and Security actually know the presence thereof. It's like stealing gasmasks and oxygen tanks from local supply lockers no matter what your profession is, or putting a welding tool and screwdriver in your pockets to handle any obstructions people put up despite being a geneticist or assistant.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21289990]You do realize that syndicate operatives are no longer called 'Syndicate' but rather a company name?
And my forged ID card was (as Sera Ratiscu). That was probably stupid on my part but i've played syndicate before and had good rounds (including being mistaken for a pizza delivery man).
And there still lies the fact that the AI was giving out arrest orders for Red Sarge because he mugged a security officer just to kill the syndicate.[/QUOTE]
What Red Sarge did with mugging the guy was out of order, but still, you were walking the halls as a Company Operative (is that better?) without hiding your true identity.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21289990]You do realize that syndicate operatives are no longer called 'Syndicate' but rather a company name?[/QUOTE]
I edited this to my last post but here it goes again. Rules that are near impossible to enforce aren't enforced on SS13. That's why there's no real "pretend you don't know there are traitors and shit" rules. You were wearing SYNDICATE gear anyway, which I think everyone on the station is "ICly" familiar with.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21289990]And there still lies the fact that the AI was giving out arrest orders for Red Sarge because he mugged a security officer just to kill the syndicate, of which only the Heads and Security actually know the presence thereof. It's like stealing gasmasks and oxygen tanks from local supply lockers no matter what your profession is, or putting a welding tool and screwdriver in your pockets to handle any obstructions people put up despite being a geneticist or assistant.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how this has anything to do with anything so I'm not going to say anything except that I don't remember mugging anyone.
[editline]08:47PM[/editline]
I did try to break out my friend from brig, which resulted into a fight with the HoP. It was a stalemate though so I ran away. Then I came across you and stuff happened
Minorkos, would love to have a game with you some time. Only ever guys I've teamed up with on SS13 are retarded newbies who have no idea what to do. I have seriously sat in jail sometimes wishing I had someone to break me out.
I know how to break people out of jail, so I could also help you out in those circumstances. Anyway, just PM me that ingame name you go by (Red Sarge, I think it was?) and I'll PM you mine and we can have a round some time.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21289990]You do realize that syndicate operatives are no longer called 'Syndicate' but rather a company name?
And my forged ID card was (as Sera Ratiscu). That was probably stupid on my part but i've played syndicate before and had good rounds (including being mistaken for a pizza delivery man).
And there still lies the fact that the AI was giving out arrest orders for Red Sarge because he mugged a security officer just to kill the syndicate, of which only the Heads and Security actually know the presence thereof. It's like stealing gasmasks and oxygen tanks from local supply lockers no matter what your profession is, or putting a welding tool and screwdriver in your pockets to handle any obstructions people put up despite being a geneticist or assistant.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot.
I hope to dear god you get permabanned.
I hate it when security gets on your ass about having electrical tools.
We have them so if something were to happen, we could actually try to fix it. Like a secondary engineer.
I hate security in general tbh
Rikoh none of your complaints are valid. He is not metagaming at all, and this is why the admins ridiculed you.
FYI Rikoh just randomly killed me (his name was Sera Ratiscu and he was a security officer) for this apparently.
What an assholish thing to do. Rikoh, what happened to the whole pacifist thing and following the rules? You've gone and carried on a grudge from a previous round to a new one. You're about to have a ton of bricks fall on your head mate.
Also, Rathen, check your inbox.
I did not randomly kill you. You've stolen Officer IDs, had blood all over your gear, and you put portals outside the security room while calling all of security 'fags'. I was given a goddamn kill order, to which the other security were thankful for. It wasn't a grudge, it was within the round's respective boundaries and punishment for Red Sarge's griefing for that round of others. If he hadn't of griefed and caused all that shit in the first place (within the respective round, mind you), I wouldn't of even harmed him - avoid maybe, but not harm.
And why am I banned for this?
"You have been banned by rathensa.
Reason: Shitting up the FP thread with crying, grudge killing for ooc reasons, and generally yet another one of those "make the rules up to suit me" faggots. Go away!."
I'm not trying to make up rules, i'm just sick of the mingery and griefing and hoping players use common sense instead of killing everyone they see and trying to 'win'. Nannek came on and said 'THIS ISN'T RP' - then what the fuck are we doing as our characters, and what's the point of doing anything in the game? Is the objective, 'Kill everything that isn't you or some OOC friend and make it to the escape shuttle alive'?
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21291195]I did not randomly kill you. You've stolen Officer IDs, had blood all over your gear, and you put portals outside the security room while calling all of security 'fags'. I was given a goddamn kill order, to which the other security were thankful for. It wasn't a grudge, it was within the round's respective boundaries and punishment for Red Sarge's griefing for that round of others. If he hadn't of griefed and caused all that shit in the first place, I wouldn't of even harmed him - avoid maybe, but not harm.
And why am I banned for this?
"You have been banned by rathensa.
Reason: Shitting up the FP thread with crying, grudge killing for ooc reasons, and generally yet another one of those "make the rules up to suit me" faggots. Go away!."
I'm not trying to make up rules, i'm just sick of the mingery and griefing and hoping players use common sense instead of killing everyone they see and trying to 'win'. Nannek came on and said 'THIS ISN'T RP' - then what the fuck are we doing as our characters, and what's the point of doing anything in the game? Is the objective, 'Kill everything that isn't you or some OOC friend and make it to the escape shuttle alive'?[/QUOTE]
Your whole post is flawed, but the most flawed about it is the whole kill-order thing. You generally don't kill people on-sight unless they're Syndicates or something like that. You always, always incapacitate them and take them to the brig, to await further trial in the courtroom. Hence why it's there. I hate assholes who take the law into their own hands and dish out kill-orders, even though they don't have the authority to do so.
[editline]07:50PM[/editline]
This is coming from past experiences with power-hungry HoS's who walk around the brig and believe peoples treacherous lies. I've been strangled to death like 4 times in the cells because of those types of people. Never listen to kill-orders. It'll get YOU banned, not them.
" it was within the round's respective boundaries"
Killing someone is never an acceptable order, regardless of who gives it, unless you or the target are the traitor! Sounds awfully like a grudge killing - surely your precious roleplays should have helped you suss that out?
The main reason for the ban was your dumb crying about metagaming in here, so now you can shut up as you won't have anything to complain about!
[QUOTE=RikohZX;21291195]I did not randomly kill you. You've stolen Officer IDs, had blood all over your gear, and you put portals outside the security room while calling all of security 'fags'. I was given a goddamn kill order, to which the other security were thankful for. It wasn't a grudge, it was within the round's respective boundaries and punishment for Red Sarge's griefing for that round of others. If he hadn't of griefed and caused all that shit in the first place (within the respective round, mind you), I wouldn't of even harmed him - avoid maybe, but not harm.
And why am I banned for this?
"You have been banned by rathensa.
Reason: Shitting up the FP thread with crying, grudge killing for ooc reasons, and generally yet another one of those "make the rules up to suit me" faggots. Go away!."
I'm not trying to make up rules, i'm just sick of the mingery and griefing and hoping players use common sense instead of killing everyone they see and trying to 'win'. Nannek came on and said 'THIS ISN'T RP' - then what the fuck are we doing as our characters, and what's the point of doing anything in the game? Is the objective, 'Kill everything that isn't you or some OOC friend and make it to the escape shuttle alive'?[/QUOTE]
Well, you knew my RP name. Plus, you didn't go through any trouble to even try to arrest me, you just beat me to death. The only response I got from you when saying "I surrender" was "Fuck you!.." or something. I assumed this was an OOC grudge.
Kill orders aren't supposed to be handed out either, especially since I hadn't harmed ANYONE that round.
Of course I was being a bit of a catburglar that round by doing such deeds as stealing the hand tele to perform pranks with. Still, I didn't harm anyone. The blood on my clothes however was from another security guy trying to kill me with a crowbar. I dealt with him by tricking him into a maintenance tunnel and leaving him there.
I think this might be somewhat relevant so I'll say it here:
I never kill anyone if I'm not the traitor. I don't remember a time I have knocked someone out either. Sometimes I'm forced to fight back at security or whoever attacks me, but even then I either do my best to stun them and run away or just plain run away. This was pretty much my first time being a bit of a criminal in like a month. None of my actions directly harm anyone so I don't think there's a real problem.
[QUOTE=KingQ8;21291323]Your whole post is flawed, but the most flawed about it is the whole kill-order thing. You generally don't kill people on-sight unless they're Syndicates or something like that. You always, always incapacitate them and take them to the brig, to await further trial in the courtroom. Hence why it's there. I hate assholes who take the law into their own hands and dish out kill-orders, even though they don't have the authority to do so.
[editline]07:50PM[/editline]
This is coming from past experiences with power-hungry HoS's who walk around the brig and believe peoples treacherous lies. I've been strangled to death like 4 times in the cells because of those types of people. Never listen to kill-orders. It'll get YOU banned, not them.[/QUOTE]
This is why I remembered hating being Security. The bastards I try to arrest always run off because i'm not quite the fastest reaction in the world, and past habits and histories usually make me beat down suspects. If I ever get Security, I try to make sure the person I need to take down is allowed to be killed so I can bypass my reactionary problem - otherwise I just stand back and try to help the other security so we can hopefully get the suspect alive.
Now I would've been less angered with being jailed or jobbanned from Security, but a perma-ban for someone's bitching really crossed me - especially since this forum is usually ignored for everything on ban and unban orders. Quite frankly, if no one in SS13's goddamn community is going to listen to common sense and the admins are going to have shit judgement over who needs to be punished, then I have this to say; don't mug, harm, or kill others, 'cause once you do you're damn well fair game for the same treatment. Eye for a goddamn eye.
Also: I read the above post and I have to apologize for my actions. Sorry that I killed you on a flimsy kill order and for being a bit angry about everything. But everyone was marking you constantly on radio for crimes, and you put portals outside security specifically to spite us - harmful or not, you kind of pissed off the entire security team, and if I hadn't of gotten you, the security guard that came in right after you died apparently was going to kill you anyway on the kill order.
Except in your case, you took that eye and carried it over to the next round. If you'd have been revived by geneticist and you'd have gone and killed him, THAT would have been fair game. Taking it over to the next round is a dick move.
There is this woman called Erica Conall who is ALWAYS the geneticist. God damn she pisses me off, cause she's so nosey, but I never hold a grudge against her. In fact, in one of the rounds, I SAVED her, and we became partners. I think it was a rev match.
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