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[QUOTE=Stopper;18041296]Do you like arguing with retards who will bitch and moan even if it's showing only the main menu? I don't. [editline]03:29PM[/editline] Says that where? And if it's only this thread, why go and bitch in the threads that are about the boycott? As I said. If you like shitty games, play it on the console. It appears that the PC will suffer from dumb-down too though.[/QUOTE] As far as I know I am entitled to arguing and voicing my opinions. So I say MW2 will be a decent game but maybe not the best this year. If you wish to keep bitching about a fucking simple server list and no mods then be my guest.

[QUOTE=LeonS;18041386]As far as I know I am entitled to arguing and voicing my opinions. So I say MW2 will be a decent game but maybe not the best this year. If you wish to keep bitching about a fucking simple server list and no mods then be my guest.[/QUOTE] "I am entitled to have a opinion, but you are not."

For anyone that missed the above video, the one with the controversy, check it here... [url]http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/covah/spoilers-modern-warfare-2-is-about-to-get-really-really-controversial-153254.phtml#story[/url] Uhm...wow. All I gotta say. I'm not offended by this, but the shitstorm it will cause is not going to be pretty. EDIT: Also, can't embed the video from that blog because of where it is hosted.

Wow... why is this civilian killing shit in game? I very rarely have any complaints AT ALL about games... but this is fucking ridiculous. I don't think it's gonna turn anyone into a psycho killer, but it is pretty fucking tasteless. This is honestly even worse than not having dedicated servers.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;18043147]Wow... why is this civilian killing shit in game? I very rarely have any complaints AT ALL about games... but this is fucking ridiculous. I don't think it's gonna turn anyone into a psycho killer, but it is pretty fucking tasteless. This is honestly even worse than not having dedicated servers.[/QUOTE] HAHAhahahahahHAHAH[B]HAha[/B]HAHdhhaha[I]haha[/I]

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;18043162]HAHAhahahahahHAHAH[B]HAha[/B]HAHdhhaha[I]haha[/I][/QUOTE] And I approve this message.

This game sounded like a good idea like, half a year ago, but now they have made it go down the shitter.

[QUOTE=LeonS;18039078]Ketchup is right. As he said, if the whole dedicated servers thing didn't happen then most of you would be pretty okay with MW2 but no no, you just have to bitch about it.[/QUOTE] Oh wow. "If the thing you were complaining about didn't exist you wouldn't be complaining!" Sherlock fucking Holmes here.

[QUOTE=Stopper;18041296]Do you like arguing with retards who will bitch and moan even if it's showing only the main menu? I don't. [editline]03:29PM[/editline] Says that where? And if it's only this thread, why go and bitch in the threads that are about the boycott? As I said. If you like shitty games, play it on the console. It appears that the PC will suffer from dumb-down too though.[/QUOTE] Seriously, you get out. Fuck off with this "Console sucks ass" shit. It's the same damn game so either shut your mouth or get out. This bashing console's shit is getting very old.

[QUOTE=Terragen;18043641]Seriously, you get out. Fuck off with this "Console sucks ass" shit. It's the same damn game so either shut your mouth or get out. This bashing console's shit is getting very old.[/QUOTE] I just said that they are dumbing down the PC game to the console level - i.e. no dedicated servers and no mods :downsowned:

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18043565]Oh wow. "If the thing you were complaining about didn't exist you wouldn't be complaining!" Sherlock fucking Holmes here.[/QUOTE] Looks like someone is tottally missing the point. Because of the dedicated server issue, people are complaining about the entirety of MW2, not just the dedicated server issue. No one should denounce an entire game over 1 issue.

[QUOTE=Stopper;18043722]I just said that they are dumbing down the PC game to the console level - i.e. no dedicated servers and no mods [/QUOTE] :downsowned:.....lmao owned? I'm just telling you that this bashing console shit is getting old. I have been keeping up and i know the dedicated servers ect. have been taken out. But quit acting like a douche. I respect you play PC but freaking respect everyone else who plays the console.

[QUOTE=Terragen;18043827]:downsowned:.....lmao owned? I'm just telling you that this bashing console shit is getting old. I have been keeping up and i know the dedicated servers ect. have been taken out. But quit acting like a douche. I respect you play PC but freaking respect everyone else who plays the console.[/QUOTE] Ok. :effort:

Why is there even elitism in the first place? I think all platforms are good for gaming, despite the fact that I prefer consoles.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;18044194]Why is there even elitism in the first place? I think all platforms are good for gaming, despite the fact that I prefer consoles.[/QUOTE] Because apparently the PC is the ~[I]master system[/I]~ and without it gaming would never have gotten to where it is. If the elitists hadn't noticed yet, gaming got where it is due to all the platforms, not just the PC, and not just the consoles, it required all of the things (even itty bitty handhelds). Besides the PC is only good for some genres, mainly FPS,RTS, MMO, sims (flight mainly) and some RPGs. Action games on the PC tend to have clunky ass controls, and racing games nearly always require extra peripherals to work right.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;18044322]Because apparently the PC is the ~[I]master system[/I]~ and without it gaming would never have gotten to where it is. If the elitists hadn't noticed yet, gaming got where it is due to all the platforms, not just the PC, and not just the consoles, it required all of the things (even itty bitty handhelds). Besides the PC is only good for some genres, mainly FPS,RTS, MMO, sims (flight mainly) and some RPGs. Action games on the PC tend to have clunky ass controls, and racing games nearly always require extra peripherals to work right.[/QUOTE] So... Consoles = race, third person, jumping games (ratchet & clank) & sports, PC = Rts, fps, mmo, rpg, sim?

[QUOTE=Angua;18044519]So... Consoles = race, third person, jumping games (ratchet & clank) & sports, PC = Rts, fps, mmo, rpg, sim?[/QUOTE] I think what he was getting at is that the consoles are good for all types of games (Excluding RTSs, ugh) whereas the PC is only good for some.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;18044322]Because apparently the PC is the ~[I]master system[/I]~ and without it gaming would never have gotten to where it is. If the elitists hadn't noticed yet, gaming got where it is due to all the platforms, not just the PC, and not just the consoles, it required all of the things (even itty bitty handhelds). Besides the PC is only good for some genres, mainly FPS,RTS, MMO, sims (flight mainly) and some RPGs. Action games on the PC tend to have clunky ass controls, and racing games nearly always require extra peripherals to work right.[/QUOTE] Not at all. Yes, imagine that the PC didn't exist. Guess what. You wouldn't have any games. Because they are developed on the PC (Go ahead, say it. I'm missing the point). Now really, where would the Xbox/PS be if the PC didn't exist? For example - COD. If it wasn't for the PC, this topic wouldn't have existed, because the game would've faded into Oblivion (No pun intended). I'm aware that that doesn't apply to all games, but I hope you see my point. And since when is that? The Keyboard+Mouse is perfect for every type of game, [I]unless[/I] the developers didn't make the controls with the intention to break your fucking fingers. Yes, I'm looking at you M$ Flight Sim 2004 and Alone in The Dark 5. As for the racing games - sure, the controller might be better than the keyboard, but it doesn't mean that the keyboard is bad. PS. Same goes the other way. RTSs on the mouse are better than the controller, but that doesn't make it impossible (C&C3 for instance). Well, not that RTSs will succeed on the consoles. These are the kindest words I can make out. :gbsmith: [editline]08:48PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Grim Joker;18044664]I think what he was getting at is that the consoles are good for all types of games (Excluding RTSs, ugh) whereas the PC is only good for some.[/QUOTE] Um, no. :effort: [editline]08:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=LeonS;18041386]As far as I know I am entitled to arguing and voicing my opinions. So I say MW2 will be a decent game but maybe not the best this year. If you wish to keep bitching about a fucking simple server list and no mods then be my guest.[/QUOTE] Atleast make a fucking argument. Not just: You musn't bitch, because it's only a server list and modding. What if I took the matchmaking system out of the consoles and put in a server list? You'd feel like shit, because it takes you a fucking hour to find a server of your liking. Holy shit, I didn't know I can write this much. Lol, contradiction in the 2-nd and 3-rd part of my post. I guess the second part is self explainatory.

[QUOTE=Stopper;18044681]Not at all. Yes, imagine that the PC didn't exist. Guess what. You wouldn't have any games. Because they are developed on the PC (Go ahead, say it. I'm missing the point). Now really, where would the Xbox/PS be if the PC didn't exist? For example - COD. If it wasn't for the PC, this topic would've existed, because the game would've faded into Oblivion (No pun intended). I'm aware that that doesn't apply to all games, but I hope you see my point. And since when is that? The Keyboard+Mouse is perfect for every type of game, [I]unless[/I] the developers didn't make the controls with the intention to break your fucking fingers. Yes, I'm looking at you M$ Flight Sim 2004 and Alone in The Dark 5. As for the racing games - sure, the controller might be better than the keyboard, but it doesn't mean that the keyboard is bad. PS. Same goes the other way. RTSs on the mouse are better than the controller, but that doesn't make it impossible (C&C3 for instance). Well, not that RTSs will succeed on the consoles. These are the kindest words I can make out. :gbsmith: [editline]08:48PM[/editline] Um, no. :effort:[/QUOTE] That's not a fair assumption. If PCs didn't exist, we would find another medium of entertainment, and some form of Video Games would be born. They wouldn't be the same, sure, but they would still exist.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;18044798]That's not a fair assumption. If PCs didn't exist, we would find another medium of entertainment, and some form of Video Games would be born. They wouldn't be the same, sure, but they would still exist.[/QUOTE] You missed the point of the "No, really". I meant the first sentence as a sarcasmic intro.

[QUOTE=Stopper;18044681]Not at all. Yes, imagine that the PC didn't exist. Guess what. You wouldn't have any games. Because they are developed on the PC (Go ahead, say it. I'm missing the point). Now really, where would the Xbox/PS be if the PC didn't exist? For example - COD. If it wasn't for the PC, this topic would've existed, because the game would've faded into Oblivion (No pun intended). I'm aware that that doesn't apply to all games, but I hope you see my point. And since when is that? The Keyboard+Mouse is perfect for every type of game, [I]unless[/I] the developers didn't make the controls with the intention to break your fucking fingers. Yes, I'm looking at you M$ Flight Sim 2004 and Alone in The Dark 5. As for the racing games - sure, the controller might be better than the keyboard, but it doesn't mean that the keyboard is bad. PS. Same goes the other way. RTSs on the mouse are better than the controller, but that doesn't make it impossible (C&C3 for instance). Well, not that RTSs will succeed on the consoles. These are the kindest words I can make out. :gbsmith:[/QUOTE] Yay someone who doesn't respond with "PC is better fuck you". I understand that without the PC we wouldn't have had gaming, but without the consoles the masses would never have bothered playing games, and we'd be stuck with indie devs who never got the right tools for game creation, it'd be weird wouldn't it...though the masses having access to games has been the cause of this problem, companies focus on profits over keeping customers happy, etc. I do see your point about how the PC is the main reason gaming is where it is now though, but most elitists (or general PC users) just don't give the consoles the credit they deserve. And the last platformer/ action style game I played on the PC was one of the Tomb Raiders, the controls were a hell of a mess to get used to for some reason, and fine motions are much harder to do with a keyboard to me (aiming isn't included, mice are far more easy to precisely move). Whereas RTS on the consoles is terrible, but like you said, it is possible. A good example of a racing game that I can play on the keyboard is Trackmainia, I've tried more realistic racing games, and some other arcadey ones, but I preferred their console equivalents due to the analouge sticks being more steering friendly at times. Is this partially intelligent discussion I see on Facepunch? What is this witchcraft.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;18044866]Yay someone who doesn't respond with "PC is better fuck you". I understand that without the PC we wouldn't have had gaming, but without the consoles the masses would never have bothered playing games, and we'd be stuck with indie devs who never got the right tools for game creation, it'd be weird wouldn't it...though the masses having access to games has been the cause of this problem, companies focus on profits over keeping customers happy, etc. I do see your point about how the PC is the main reason gaming is where it is now though, but most elitists (or general PC users) just don't give the consoles the credit they deserve. And the last platformer/ action style game I played on the PC was one of the Tomb Raiders, the controls were a hell of a mess to get used to for some reason, and fine motions are much harder to do with a keyboard to me (aiming isn't included, mice are far more easy to precisely move). Whereas RTS on the consoles is terrible, but like you said, it is possible. A good example of a racing game that I can play on the keyboard is Trackmainia, I've tried more realistic racing games, and some other arcadey ones, but I preferred their console equivalents due to the analouge sticks being more steering friendly at times. Is this partially intelligent discussion I see on Facepunch? What is this witchcraft.[/QUOTE] Well, Tomb Raider completely messed it up. If you've seen Zero Punctuation about TR, you'll know what I'm talking about. Aww, fuck, we are ending up on the firepost for that. :ohdear: It's herecy.

[QUOTE=ketchup;18043774]Looks like someone is tottally missing the point. Because of the dedicated server issue, people are complaining about the entirety of MW2, not just the dedicated server issue. No one should denounce an entire game over 1 issue.[/QUOTE] Yes they should. Dedicated servers are a colossal fucking issue. Such a large issue that it warrants a petition with 164000 signatures saying "Uh, can you review your decision on dedicated servers". Then you remember that the majority of gaming communities started out with a dedicated server. MW2 should be denounced for this. They deserve all the shit that has been flung. [editline]07:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;18044866]Yay someone who doesn't respond with "PC is better fuck you". I understand that without the PC we wouldn't have had gaming, but without the consoles the masses would never have bothered playing games, and we'd be stuck with indie devs who never got the right tools for game creation, it'd be weird wouldn't it...though the masses having access to games has been the cause of this problem, companies focus on profits over keeping customers happy, etc. I do see your point about how the PC is the main reason gaming is where it is now though, but most elitists (or general PC users) just don't give the consoles the credit they deserve. And the last platformer/ action style game I played on the PC was one of the Tomb Raiders, the controls were a hell of a mess to get used to for some reason, and fine motions are much harder to do with a keyboard to me (aiming isn't included, mice are far more easy to precisely move). Whereas RTS on the consoles is terrible, but like you said, it is possible. A good example of a racing game that I can play on the keyboard is Trackmainia, I've tried more realistic racing games, and some other arcadey ones, but I preferred their console equivalents due to the analouge sticks being more steering friendly at times. Is this partially intelligent discussion I see on Facepunch? What is this witchcraft.[/QUOTE] Of course we would have bothered playing games, otherwise we wouldn't have developers who only make games for the PC. What most PC Gamers are pissed about (and rightly so) is that the consoles have taken gaming to where it shouldn't be, and has made it profitable to churn out the same shit over and over again.

[QUOTE=Stopper;18044681] Atleast make a fucking argument. Not just: You musn't bitch, because it's only a server list and modding. What if I took the matchmaking system out of the consoles and put in a server list? You'd feel like shit, because it takes you a fucking hour to find a server of your liking. Holy shit, I didn't know I can write this much. Lol, contradiction in the 2-nd and 3-rd part of my post. I guess the second part is self explainatory.[/QUOTE] Killzone 2 has a server list, finding a server that works for me is never a problem. I actually prefer it to matchmaking. [editline]07:37PM[/editline] Also, since gaming started off on the TV/consoles, if it never went to PC, It just would've stayed on the console, simple as that. PC is just an accessory, though a damn good one. But people still shouldn't forget that consoles are literally the master race.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;18044798]That's not a fair assumption. If PCs didn't exist, we would find another medium of entertainment, and some form of Video Games would be born. They wouldn't be the same, sure, but they would still exist.[/QUOTE] Would Jet engines exsist without ww2 ? Maybe, maybe not. Infact they might not exist at all.

[QUOTE=Angua;18045524]Would Jet engines exsist without ww2 ? Maybe, maybe not. Infact they might not exist at all.[/QUOTE] They probably would, seeing as technology advances during and off war, but that's another topic.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;18045487]Killzone 2 has a server list, finding a server that works for me is never a problem. I actually prefer it to matchmaking. [editline]07:37PM[/editline] Also, since gaming started off on the TV/consoles, if it never went to PC, It just would've stayed on the console, simple as that. PC is just an accessory, though a damn good one. But people still shouldn't forget that consoles are literally the master race.[/QUOTE] You are trying to turn the tide. I'm trying to set off on the right foot with thad discussion. Besides, I wasn't talking about other people. I was talking about Leon, who, without a doubt would feel shitty (he won't admit it though) if the matchmaking was taken out of... Actually, I liked the rational, atleast semi-intelligent discussion we were having with Hexpunk, so I won't continue. [editline]09:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=EcksDee;18045578]They probably would, seeing as technology advances during and off war, but that's another topic.[/QUOTE] But that topic is safe of Call of Dutyism, so why not. Technology wouldn't advance in the same way, because when in war, there is a rush, a race to create new technology, better than the enemy.

[QUOTE=Stopper;18045861]You are trying to turn the tide. I'm trying to set off on the right foot with thad discussion. Besides, I wasn't talking about other people. I was talking about Leon, who, without a doubt would feel shitty (he won't admit it though) if the matchmaking was taken out of... Actually, I liked the rational, atleast semi-intelligent discussion we were having with Hexpunk, so I won't continue. [editline]09:56PM[/editline] But that topic is safe of Call of Dutyism, so why not. Technology wouldn't advance in the same way, because when in war, there is a rush, a race to create new technology, better than the enemy.[/QUOTE] Yes, of course there is a rush, though like I said, technology advances either way, speed of advancement is another story.

The airport looks like a hard level to beat on veteran.

[QUOTE=Stripez;18046693]The airport looks like a hard level to beat on veteran.[/QUOTE] As hard as "Show down" in cod 4 modern warfare.