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[QUOTE=mixshifter;36890611]I enjoy this concept a whole lot more.[/QUOTE] who doesnt enjoy anime

[QUOTE=HyperTH;36890593]I feel like that itself is bad design, but I accept it because people demand Annie function as both a "baby's first AP" and a viable champion outside of just learning the ropes because having a champion that's only good for learning a role and then just being bad at actually performing it would be even worse game design.[/QUOTE] No champion in my opinion should be easy to play and potentially carry a game at their base. Every champion should be capable at a given task for sure. Someone like Ashe is fine design. She's very simple to understand, and with a lot of practice, she's one of the strongest (Or [u]the[/u] strongest) AD carry in the game. Annie just requires a super base understanding and having your stun ready when you press R can win teamfights wholesale.

[QUOTE=Egevened;36890524]malady is a very good item dont shit on it in fact there is no thing such as a shit item, someone dissed nashors's "Homestuck in one sentence: ahha holy shit Homestuck in one sentence: "Is it a general consensus Nashor's Tooth is a terrible item? " Homestuck in one sentence: 2 agrees Protocol7: It's not good for anything Homestuck in one sentence: good for lux Homestuck in one sentence: it's the item that lux needs to farm minions Protocol7: My friend plays lux just fine without it and just uses abilities to farm Homestuck in one sentence: yeah its for that Homestuck in one sentence: see her E applies her passive on minions Homestuck in one sentence: it gives both attack speed and cdr" [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] there is no bad item, only bad items for certain champions[/QUOTE] there are way better items for lux than nashor's it's an AS AP item, who needs AS and AP? sure it has CDR and mana regen, but just get Morello's for that, plus you get even more AP than Nashor's gives you. I can see the Nashor's being alright on the new Xin but again there are much better, more suitable items than Nashor's

[QUOTE=Cheeseist;36890592]HOH SHIT. not me btw[/QUOTE] Oh look, a script kiddy. He's not going to get very far to say the least. [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;36890641]there are way better items for lux than nashor's it's an AS AP item, who needs AS and AP? sure it has CDR and mana regen, but just get Morello's for that, plus you get even more AP than Nashor's gives you. I can see the Nashor's being alright on the new Xin but again there are much better, more suitable items than Nashor's[/QUOTE] Nashor's Tooth on Taric is fabulous. And the only person I ever buy it on. Even then, that's just ARAM/B.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36890617]Annie's and Rammus's ults are both better than his. His burst is also subpar. His laser does shitloads of damage if you get the augment, which sacrifices an item slot, and he also has no catching mechanism or way to stick to a target. You can get caught by Viktor, be super overextended, and then just walk away and there will be nothing he can do about it.[/QUOTE] I have to respectfully disagree with you here, his burst has always struck as me as pretty solid. Problem is you have to be really really close to burst properly so usually in my Viktor games come teamfights I die a million times because the squishy glass cannon is charging into close quarters just to stay useful.

[QUOTE=Egevened;36890524]malady is a very good item dont shit on it in fact there is no thing such as a shit item, someone dissed nashors's "Homestuck in one sentence: ahha holy shit Homestuck in one sentence: "Is it a general consensus Nashor's Tooth is a terrible item? " Homestuck in one sentence: 2 agrees Protocol7: It's not good for anything Homestuck in one sentence: good for lux Homestuck in one sentence: it's the item that lux needs to farm minions Protocol7: My friend plays lux just fine without it and just uses abilities to farm Homestuck in one sentence: yeah its for that Homestuck in one sentence: see her E applies her passive on minions Homestuck in one sentence: it gives both attack speed and cdr" [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] there is no bad item, only bad items for certain champions[/QUOTE] wait did you take what that guy said seriously or what nashor's on lux lmfao... nashor's on anyone relaly lmfao

[QUOTE=Exploits;36890367]Ugh, am I the only one that finds Annie incredibly aggravating? She gets a mana refund on her Q to last hit and gather free stuns, yet she already has 625 range auto-attacks . . . Caitlyn has 650 for comparison. Why is she so forgiving with everything she does for the player, yet ridiculously strong against enemies?[/QUOTE] I feel the exact same way. She's a no-risk guaranteed reward champion.

[QUOTE=Exploits;36890648]Oh look, a script kiddy. He's not going to get very far to say the least. [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] Nashor's Tooth on Taric is fabulous. And the only person I ever buy it on. Even then, that's just ARAM/B.[/QUOTE] eh I can see it on taric but like I said you can split up nashor's into two items that give you so much more apiece

[QUOTE=Protocol7;36890641]there are way better items for lux than nashor's it's an AS AP item, who needs AS and AP? sure it has CDR and mana regen, but just get Morello's for that, plus you get even more AP than Nashor's gives you. I can see the Nashor's being alright on the new Xin but again there are much better, more suitable items than Nashor's[/QUOTE] I feel like the problem with Nashor's Tooth isn't that it's stats are bad, but that it's overshadowed by better stuff.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;36890692]eh I can see it on taric but like I said you can split up nashor's into two items that give you so much more apiece[/QUOTE] You don't always have all those slots available, though. I'm trying to remember my Taric build for ARAM/B, it's something like . . . Sorc's Boots Rod of Ages Nashor's Tooth Abyssal Scepter Rabadon's Deathcap Void Staff It's been a while but I'm pretty sure that's it. A lot of those components can't really be swapped out.

[QUOTE=Exploits;36890560]Yeah, seriously, don't bother with Malady. It isn't worth the cost, Wit's End gives more consistent DPS, and makes you tanky to boot. Unless you're running Magic Pen runes and Sorc Boots, Malady isn't going to do more for you than Wit's End. [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] And I think we can all agree that Leviathan is a fucking awful item.[/QUOTE] i think that riot doesnt want to buff leviathan because it would let champions snowball too hard you can kill a champion with 20 mejai's or occult stacks, but imagine if leviathan gave, lets say, 1500 hp, that would be ridiculous

[QUOTE=HyperTH;36890703]I feel like the problem with Nashor's Tooth isn't that it's stats are bad, but that it's overshadowed by better stuff.[/QUOTE] yeah like for an AP carry, Morello's does more and is cheaper. and you don't really need attack speed on an AP carry it's a really niche item that [I]maybe[/I] works on a few champions in a few situations [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Exploits;36890719]You don't always have all those slots available, though. I'm trying to remember my Taric build for ARAM/B, it's something like . . . Sorc's Boots Rod of Ages Nashor's Tooth Abyssal Scepter Rabadon's Deathcap Void Staff It's been a while but I'm pretty sure that's it. A lot of those components can't really be swapped out.[/QUOTE] well I don't play ARAM/B a whole lot, but that's one situation where I'd say nashor's is, at least, viable.

ap kogmaw and kayle both benefit a lot from nashor's tooth the problem is, on hit kayle and ap kogmaw are barely viable

[QUOTE=Flip pl;36890776]ap kogmaw and kayle both benefit a lot from nashor's tooth the problem is, on hit kayle and ap kogmaw are barely viable[/QUOTE] AP Kog'maw is very viable

[QUOTE=Flip pl;36890724]i think that riot doesnt want to buff leviathan because it would let champions snowball too hard you can kill a champion with 20 mejai's or occult stacks, but imagine if leviathan gave, lets say, 1500 hp, that would be ridiculous[/QUOTE] It's not the health that's strong on Leviathan, it's the 15% flat damage reduction. Warmog's Armor already gives 1,270 health at maximum stack. Leviathan is an absurd item concept since it's supposed to cater to tanks, but if you're tanking, you'll probably (Or should be) dying rather frequently. If you're getting max stacks of Leviathan, your entire job is rather forfeit.

[QUOTE=HyperTH;36890665]I have to respectfully disagree with you here, his burst has always struck as me as pretty solid. Problem is you have to be really really close to burst properly so usually in my Viktor games come teamfights I die a million times because the squishy glass cannon is charging into close quarters just to stay useful.[/QUOTE] I guess his burst is okay. He's no Akali or Talon or Veigar, but he's not meant to be. My problem with him is that for every strong point he has, another mage can match him in it and also bring something else to the table. Veigar can burst just as hard and with more utility. Kassadin can burst and do awesome flashes everywhere. Karthus's Wall is just as good as Viktor's grav field, and Karthus does more damage plus has a global ult. Plus there's the myraid design problems Viktor has, such as his shield animation being so slow that instead of being a great trading skill like intended, he gets shielded AFTER the opponent attacks him. Or that his ult is supposed to be a great long range damage tool but it moves as slow as a snail unless he's in a way unsafe range.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36890808]Plus there's the myraid design problems Viktor has, such as his shield animation being so slow that instead of being a great trading skill like intended, he gets shielded AFTER the opponent attacks him. Or that his ult is supposed to be a great long range damage tool but it moves as slow as a snail unless he's in a way unsafe range.[/QUOTE] I really think you should try running Augment: Power on him sometime with a Rylai Scepter.

[QUOTE=Exploits;36890796]It's not the health that's strong on Leviathan, it's the 15% flat damage reduction. Warmog's Armor already gives 1,270 health at maximum stack. Leviathan is an absurd item concept since it's supposed to cater to tanks, but if you're tanking, you'll probably (Or should be) dying rather frequently. If you're getting max stacks of Leviathan, your entire job is rather forfeit.[/QUOTE] forfeit as in they stop focusing you?

no, he means it in a way that he isn't dying enough for him to NEED to tank

[QUOTE=Exploits;36890626]No champion in my opinion should be easy to play and potentially carry a game at their base. Every champion should be capable at a given task for sure. Someone like Ashe is fine design. She's very simple to understand, and with a lot of practice, she's one of the strongest (Or [u]the[/u] strongest) AD carry in the game. Annie just requires a super base understanding and having your stun ready when you press R can win teamfights wholesale.[/QUOTE] Kennen does this better than annie

[QUOTE=Flip pl;36890864]forfeit as in they stop focusing you?[/QUOTE] Forfeit as in you're relying on a snowball item to get you to a point of being tanky, instead of simply buying reliable items that do it on purchase (Frozen Heart, Randuin's Omen, Banshee's Veil, Force of Nature, etc.). [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Espio;36890916]Kennen does this better than annie[/QUOTE] I agree Kennen is another one.

[QUOTE=Espio;36890916]Kennen does this better than annie[/QUOTE] kennen, however, stops being annoying when there are 2-3 people in your team who know what they're doing annie doesn't

[QUOTE=Egevened;36890964]kennen, however, stops being annoying when there are 2-3 people in your team who know what they're doing annie doesn't[/QUOTE] Well, it's true Kennen can at least be countered - you blow him away with a Janna ult, for example, and he wastes his own for it. But just like Annie, laning against him is incredibly punishing since he has an incredibly effective escape, multiple ways to land damage and stuns on you (One being his absurdly long-ranged auto-attacks), and if he has Zhonya's with his ultimate, well, good luck with that one. [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Egevened;36890890]no, he means it in a way that he isn't dying enough for him to NEED to tank[/QUOTE] This too.

Kennen contributes way more to the team than annie does and is also way better in lane. [editline]23rd July 2012[/editline] Alone the fact that he can also go top and counter most enemies makes him a way better pick

I don't actually believe kennen has real laning counters either, champions like annie can bully him but he'll always be able to farm with q, the only way to stop him is to tank the q's or put yourself way out in the lane where you'll easily be ganked

[QUOTE=Katsuie;36891268]Kennen contributes way more to the team than annie does and is also way better in lane.[/QUOTE] The whole concept of a strong and safe laner just shouldn't exist. Champions like Morgana and Kennen should have to work very hard in a team fight to contribute effectively. Instead, both of these champions are relatively ungankable in most circumstances (Morgana has a CC-proof spell shield, Kennen goes "LOL BAI" and zips away at 700 move speed), and with just the purchase of a Zhonya's Hourglass, can effectuate an uncounterable game-breaking ultimate. That's just trash. It's definitely too late to ask for complete reworks of these champions, but it won't stop me from being sad and argumentative about their existence. This might come across as somewhat off-topic, but I find it related - these champions are why I despite Team Solo Mid. Sure, they're capable players, and yes, they function well as a team. But they rarely attempt anything unique, and will persistently roll tried and true compositions (Double-AP, double-Zhonya's, globals) because, and I hate throwing the word around, they're essentially OP in concept and in lane effectiveness. [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] Look at Lee Sin, for example. People complain about his top lane sustainability, strength, lack of a resource (Runs off of 'free' energy), and incredible escape flexibility. But he heavily lacks a late-game unless he snowballs. This is fine. He has to work to get somewhere outside of lane. Morgana and Kennen fall behind? Doesn't matter have Zhonyas.

[QUOTE=Espio;36890916]Kennen does this better than annie[/QUOTE] I hate Annie with a passion but I hate kennen too. You can kick his ass up and down summoner's rift for 30 minutes straight but when teamfights come along his ult is still going to wreck your team, and I think that's a bit ridiculous. [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Exploits;36890858]I really think you should try running Augment: Power on him sometime with a Rylai Scepter.[/QUOTE] I've done that. It's alright but the 1.5 second slow isn't all too great and rushing Rylais gimps his damage, IMO. I'll try it in a few more games though. [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Exploits;36891340]Doesn't matter have Zhonyas.[/QUOTE] I agree with this. It's even more frustrating that these champs have innately powerful farming skills so you can kill them a lot but they'll still be able to reliably get powerful items.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36891604]I've done that. It's alright but the 1.5 second slow isn't all too great and rushing Rylais gimps his damage, IMO. I'll try it in a few more games though.[/QUOTE] His ultimate essentially perma-slows though, doesn't it? [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] With Rylai, I mean.

[QUOTE=Exploits;36891654]His ultimate essentially perma-slows though, doesn't it? [editline]22nd July 2012[/editline] With Rylai, I mean.[/QUOTE] Yeah which is good but then it's a semi-permanent 15% slow (it still moves REALLY slow unless you get close to it) and does less damage. From my experience, the extra ticks that the ult gets off from Rylais are still less than the extra damage he'd get from rushing Deathcap instead, although the utility of a slow can't be denied. The main problem is Viktor himself is slow. That can be fixed to a degree with the Q augment but if you're getting that one and rushing Rylais, you'll hit like a wet noodle.

Turns out you need to duo queue to drag yourself out of elo hell