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Seems unfair to put Annie on there. She's outclassed pretty hard by a lot of the newer AP carries. And she requires a tiny bit of skill in micromanaging your passive.

[QUOTE=venn178;36954345]Seems unfair to put Annie on there. She's outclassed pretty hard by a lot of the newer AP carries. And she requires a tiny bit of skill in micromanaging your passive.[/QUOTE] If you can count to 4 you're a good annie. Malz requires equally low skill but he can't stun a whole team.

Okay, even discounting her lack of skill, that's like saying wins with Tryndamere shouldn't count. He requires no skill, but that doesn't make him a good champion.

He does require positioning and knowing when to go in, etc. And if he feeds he's not useful. An AoE nuke stun is never bad.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36954317]The shame list: Darius, Lee Sin, Ahri, Kennen, Annie You can not feel pride for winning with them because they require no skill.[/QUOTE] i've seen plenty of shit lee sin players he's not easy to play not sure why ahri is on there as well

zyra is op as fuck she can one shot people and has damage throughout teamfights because she isn't reliant on her ult to deal fucktons of damage with her gay plants that need 3 hits to kill from a god damn ad carry but only two procs from flamesplitter what the fuck

The difference between an average Lee Sin and a great Lee Sin is pretty substantial. The difference between an average Graves and a great Graves is practically non-existent.

kennen requires no skill in teamfights, but hitting that shuriken can be a little tricky sometimes [editline]27th July 2012[/editline] "no skill whatsoever" is a little bit of a stretch

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36954317]The shame list: Darius, Lee Sin, Ahri, Kennen, Annie You can not feel pride for winning with them because they require no skill.[/QUOTE] seriously?

[QUOTE=NomadicNinja;36954429]i've seen plenty of shit lee sin players he's not easy to play not sure why ahri is on there as well[/QUOTE] Lee has 0 counters and ahri has 3 huge dashes and can afford to build tanky ergo you can't really die with her. Maybe not 0 skill but broken enough to require very little.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36954754]Lee has 0 counters and ahri has 3 huge dashes and can afford to build tanky ergo you can't really die with her. Maybe not 0 skill but broken enough to require very little.[/QUOTE] why would you ever build ahri tanky and lee sin gets weaker as the game goes on so just because lee sin and ahri have lots of mobility doesn't mean they're completely broken

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36954317]The shame list: Darius, Lee Sin, Ahri, Kennen, Annie You can not feel pride for winning with them because they require no skill.[/QUOTE] HELLO THIS IS A LIST OF CHAMPIONS I DIE TO YOU'RE ALL FAGGOTS FOR PLAYING THEM (i agree on darius though)

Lee gets a bit weaker. But someone like Garen/panth is strong early, okay mid, weak late. Lee is strong early, godlike mid, decent late. And I seriously think THAT much mobility is retarded on anyone.

the only counter to darius is to have your jungler camp top and poop on him because he will always push his lane up no matter what if he goes jungle then it's a different story

[QUOTE=AlphaGunman;36954794]HELLO THIS IS A LIST OF CHAMPIONS I DIE TO YOU'RE ALL FAGGOTS FOR PLAYING THEM (i agree on darius though)[/QUOTE] Kennen and annie can go 0/30/0 and still have a huge AoE nuke/CC. Darius is Darius. Lee Sin has a million dashes and 0 real counters. Ahri has a million dashes. I don't die to these guys, they're the ones that don't make sense designwise. Maybe I'm just the only person on the planet who hates infinite dash heroes though.

[QUOTE=NomadicNinja;36954812]the only counter to darius is to have your jungler camp top and poop on him because he will always push his lane up no matter what if he goes jungle than it's a different story[/QUOTE] He's so easy to counter jungle though

[QUOTE=NomadicNinja;36954812]the only counter to darius is to have your jungler camp top and poop on him because he will always push his lane up no matter what if he goes jungle than it's a different story[/QUOTE] I have never once had trouble with jungle Darius he's not that great imo.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36954808]Lee gets a bit weaker. But someone like Garen/panth is strong early, okay mid, weak late. Lee is strong early, godlike mid, decent late. And I seriously think THAT much mobility is retarded on anyone.[/QUOTE] this just in hecarim is op

jungle darius is like jungle olaf tbh i would rather go top with both of them than jungle

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36954822]Kennen and annie can go 0/30/0 and still have a huge AoE nuke/CC. Darius is Darius. Lee Sin has a million dashes and 0 real counters. Ahri has a million dashes. I don't die to these guys, they're the ones that don't make sense designwise. Maybe I'm just the only person on the planet who hates infinite dash heroes though.[/QUOTE] ahri has 3 dashes [i]when her ult is up[/i] the radius in annie's ult is fucking tiny and she's terrible if she has no items kennen can be bursted down in a second unless he has zhonyas in which case you're fucked for uh about 2 seconds and then he dies lee sin falls off hard lategame

[QUOTE=Stupideye;36954834]this just in hecarim is op[/QUOTE] His one dash is an ult on a reasonable CD. Ahri's got a triple dash on her ult, Lee has two on his skills. Hec's mobility is through movespeed so he's actually still in trouble if he gets slowed.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;36954754]Lee has 0 counters and ahri has 3 huge dashes and can afford to build tanky ergo you can't really die with her. Maybe not 0 skill but broken enough to require very little.[/QUOTE] lee sin can get dominated in the jungle pretty easily he just has escapes if you have ward you can dash to it through wall, or kick to minions an escape. he has counters

the general rule of thumb against annie is to not stand next to each other in team fights

[QUOTE=piggycan99;36954857]lee sin can get dominated in the jungle pretty easily he just has escapes if you have ward you can dash to it through wall, or kick to minions an escape. he has counters[/QUOTE] He's still very safe and takes a lot of coordination to shut down but can shut down a lot of other junglers alone.

i'd say lee sin requires the most skill out of all the champions on the list darius is truly the only champion in the game that has a 100% awful kit with literally zero creativity or fun behind it.

if you're havin a bad day nothing is more fun than going top as darius and destroying your lane unless it's darius vs darius in which case you want to shoot yourself because of how boring it is

ahri is hard to play ?

Jesus fucking fucksticks. Ordinarily I would bother you fine folks with the horror tales of bot matches, but I just had two intermediate matches where at least one player didn't have the slightest fucking clue what they were doing. And it was ALWAYS IN MY FUCKING LANE. I'm trying to play Shen as a support, set shit up for my laning partner, throw Vorpal Blades on stuff so they can regen health, plink some stuff down a bit so they can last hit... but no. Every fucking time, they ignore the Vorpal, ignore the low health minions, ignore my taunts, run away when I'm initiating, run towards the enemy when they have no support from even minions... at one point our Vayne - I was laning with Jayce, who thought he should never ever be in hammer mode, ever - was completely ignoring Brand standing right beside her fighting the rest of our fucking team. She was killing minions. Jesus fucking batchrist, is not acting like a complete retard so fucking hard. /rant Edit: Here's the score screen at the end of those two, if anyone's curious. [url]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Capture7-26-2012-23.55_.50_.png[/url] [url]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Capture7-27-2012-0.35_.14_.png[/url]

I want the banana flinger because she is a jungler, and also AP.

[QUOTE=NomadicNinja;36954836]jungle darius is like jungle olaf tbh i would rather go top with both of them than jungle[/QUOTE] Yeah olaf is a really good top, but have you ever tried jungle olaf v darius jungle? The quality sucks on this, but I made it that way so it would upload fast. You might want to mute it so you can't hear my voice. [video=youtube;x1F5a0sJMz0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1F5a0sJMz0&feature=plcp[/video]