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[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;37068530]i have all champions lol, i even bought sejuani[/QUOTE] What's so bad about Sejuani?

[QUOTE=aliendrone123;37069656]What's so bad about Sejuani?[/QUOTE] literally everything

I went in queue. I saw someone pick Warwick (he said he was jungling). I told him to pick smite, then he kept saying "WW doesn't smite noob. You're obviously new to the game." I explained that smite is used for securing/stealing neutral creeps. Guess what his reply was? "THAT'S WHAT MY Q IS FOR." Instant dodge.

[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;37069734]literally everything[/QUOTE] Her ult is devastating, though.

[QUOTE=Bicko Blicko;37069919]I went in queue. I saw someone pick Warwick (he said he was jungling). I told him to pick smite, then he kept saying "WW doesn't smite noob. You're obviously new to the game." I explained that smite is used for securing/stealing neutral creeps. Guess what his reply was? "THAT'S WHAT MY Q IS FOR." Instant dodge.[/QUOTE] I had a guy who I knew from school who I used to queue with because he'd be super-pissed if I didn't He'd try shit like smiteless jungle and talk about how it was faster and better. One day I told him I'd take smite and steal his buffs if he didn't take it himself. He took smite, didn't use it, got counterjungled, and then talked in /all about how it was totally my fault that he got counterjungled because I made him take smite instead of exhaust.

Her only downside is her first clear. After that she's better than Nautilus.

[QUOTE=Fancy Cakes;37069987]Her ult is devastating, though.[/QUOTE] Its cd is way too long Her passive needs a buff and her Q and R cds need to go down She's fun to play though

[QUOTE=Fancy Cakes;37069987]Her ult is devastating, though.[/QUOTE] that's 1 out of 4 abilities that's comparable in usefulness nautilus has much more CC

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070065]Her only downside is her first clear. After that she's better than Nautilus.[/QUOTE] rofl

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070065]Her only downside is her first clear. After that she's better than Nautilus.[/QUOTE] hahahah what

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;37069672]Has good ganks until 5 minutes in then doesn't do shit for the rest of the game.[/QUOTE] 5 mins in you would have a rank 1 or 2 E That's pretty bad, especially since everyone starts with boots

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070065]Her only downside is her first clear. After that she's better than Nautilus.[/QUOTE] what in the fuck are you talking about, you're wrong wrong WRONG wrong and wrong.

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070065]Her only downside is her first clear. After that she's better than Nautilus.[/QUOTE] Except from the bit where nautilus can stun people for as long as her ult by just autoattacking them and that nautilus does a massive amount of damage and has far more cc

Seriously who thought it would be a good idea to give her gap closer/passive spreader a 19 second cd at rank 1

[QUOTE=Laferio;37070089]what in the fuck are you talking about, you're wrong wrong WRONG wrong and wrong.[/QUOTE] ok sure

I'd rather have a Naut on my team than a Sej 2-4 second disable, aoe slow, then wrecks your face with W

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070109]ok sure[/QUOTE] nautilus has the most CC in the game and doesn't even need to build damage to do his job

[QUOTE=Jund;37070132]I'd rather have a Naut on my team than a Sej 2-4 second disable, aoe slow, then wrecks your face with W[/QUOTE] And passive stun

It's part of the disable

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37070146]nautilus has the most CC in the game and doesn't even need to build damage to do his job[/QUOTE] Okay? Neither does Sejuani, she builds health. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kondor58;37070156]And passive stun[/QUOTE] It's a snare, not a stun, granted.

Also naut's ult is great for engaging an enemy team that keeps its carry at the back

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070175]Okay? Neither does Sejuani, she builds health.[/QUOTE] but she has infinitely less utility than nautilus and about a third of the damage output

the only upside about sejuani is that glacial prison or whatever her ult is called is pretty boss when you land it

SoloQ is unfair [img]http://cold.netburst.co.uk/file/2012-08-03_21-27-48.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37070188]but she has infinitely less utility than nautilus and about a third of the damage output[/QUOTE] No, they have the same overall damage output, but Nautilus has higher front loaded burst. I've actually done a good bit of research on this since I've always wondered why everyone rides Nautilus' dick 24/7 when both him and Sejuani, in terms of jungle, are essentially one and the same. Both have very awful first clears, both are painfully susceptible to counter-jungling, and both are primarily ganking junglers. [quote]A full Sejuani combo at level 18 with 3,000HP (Not uncommon) will do 350(R) + 260(E) + 210(Q) + 780(W @ 5 seconds w/Frost OR 520 w/o Frost). 1,600 damage at least from a full combo. Let's take a look at Nautilus. At level 18, his full combo will do 450(R) + 110(Passive) + 220(E) + 240(Q) + 390(W w/ 3 hits, DoT). 1,410 damage. Sejuani's Burst = 920 damage Sejuani's Combo = 1,600 Nautilus' Burst & Combo = 1,410 damage[/quote]

[QUOTE=Chilblain;37070226]the only upside about sejuani is that glacial prison or whatever her ult is called is pretty boss when you land it[/QUOTE] Except that it has a 5 year cd Leona's ult is 40 seconds less

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37070075]that's 1 out of 4 abilities that's comparable in usefulness[/QUOTE] I was responding to [I]literally everything[/I] about Sejuani being bad. I'm saying her ult is actually fantastic. I'm not comparing her to any other jungler.

I was playing as Ezreal with a Sej support, worked pretty well. I was 6/0/something when they surrendered.

If you're going to assume she gets all 5 seconds of her W in you might as well assume that Naut lands his full E or he autos 5 times

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070267]No, they have the same overall damage output, but Nautilus has higher front loaded burst. I've actually done a good bit of research on this since I've always wondered why everyone rides Nautilus' dick 24/7 when both him and Sejuani, in terms of jungle, are essentially one and the same. Both have very awful first clears, both are painfully susceptible to counter-jungling, and both are primarily ganking junglers.[/QUOTE] that's dandy and all but you can't really crunch numbers for a game that's different every time you play a match. for "primarily ganking junglers" don't you want a heavier front-loaded burst and not consistent damage anyway? not to mention Sejuani's painfully high cooldowns.