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[QUOTE=Jund;37070763]Except Naut can reduce jungle damage with his shield and his ganks are way better since they can't flash out of the initial burst Unless you plan on ganking once every 130 seconds[/QUOTE] They're both good (Or even ridiculous) gankers, I just think Sejuani is better. The one thing I think Nautilus has that's totally 100% better than Sejuani is that his ultimate will chase you to the ends of the world. Once he gets the click on you, that's it. But he has only one gap closer that can be blocked by minions. Sejuani's Arctic Assault goes through and shoves them aside, Glacial Prison also ignores minion collision, and, well, Permafrost is just Permafrost.

i think of it this way if naut grabs you you're fucking dead but if sejuani runs into you you'll most like be fine

[QUOTE=papaya;37070804]the way you're capitalising RIOT makes it look as though you're either referring to them sarcastically (through emphasis e.g if only RIOT would fix this, ugh) or just missing how to write their name. I don't think it would be broken as fuck since consider Sej is pure melee, her only gapclosers being her Q, which I say would no longer apply frost, and her R which has a 130 second cooldown. Thus in order to apply any more than 1 stack of that, she'd need to auto-attack.[/QUOTE] I always see RIOT write RIOT as RIOT >: I will stop writing Riot as Riot now. I mean we could debate how good a stacking slow or a stronger base slow might be in theory, we'd never really get the full feeling until it happens. I say it would be much too strong, many other people are adamant it's the only way to fix her.

Slows and stuns aren't gap closers

[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;37070841]i think of it this way if naut grabs you you're fucking dead but if sejuani runs into you you'll most like be fine[/QUOTE] It's never ever been so easy for my targets when I play Sejuani.

Are their D and F keys broken?

[QUOTE=Jund;37070853]Slows and stuns aren't gap closers[/QUOTE] They're effective gap closers. Sion jungle stuns you on the way on, what happens next? he doesn't walk off. And a 70% slow is very strong. Nasus has no gap closers either, he catches up with Wither pretty alright though.

[QUOTE=Jund;37070763]Except Naut can reduce jungle damage with his shield and his ganks are way better since they can't flash out of the initial burst Unless you plan on ganking once every 130 seconds[/QUOTE] Nautilus is also a faster jungler than Sejuani because he has more AOE damage, ontop of it being burst so even later when they have more base damage he clears like twice as fast

[QUOTE=Jund;37070865]Are their D and F keys broken?[/QUOTE] I didn't know Flash was castable three times before it went on cooldown. Ahri nerf where. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Espio;37070879]Nautilus is also a faster jungler than Sejuani because he has more AOE damage, ontop of it being burst so even later when they have more base damage he clears like twice as fast[/QUOTE] What no? All of Sejuani's camp clearing is AoE, she has much more. After level 7 she just blows up the small camps with Q-E.

Is Xerath considered good?

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070883] What no? All of Sejuani's camp clearing is AoE, she has much more. After level 7 she just blows up the small camps with Q-E.[/QUOTE] so does mundo so does nautilus so does amumu so does riven so does shyvana

[QUOTE=aliendrone123;37070910]Is Xerath considered good?[/QUOTE] He's definitely worth trying. And he can farm from a million feet away. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;37070923]so does mundo so does nautilus so does amumu so does riven so does shyvana[/QUOTE] . . . Where does this relate?

Xin is my husbando.

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070930] . . . Where does this relate?[/QUOTE] AoE cleartime is not a benefit for Sejuani because 70% of junglers have AoE camp clearing abilities Literally, Sejuani is just a subpar mashup of other champions

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070877]They're effective gap closers. Sion jungle stuns you on the way on, what happens next? he doesn't walk off. And a 70% slow is very strong. Nasus has no gap closers either, he catches up with Wither pretty alright though.[/QUOTE] How are E and R gap closers E depends on you hitting your Q, an auto (good luck if it's on cd), or ulting (every 130 seconds early game) How is a 3 second 70% slow any more of a gap closer than a 5 second 35-95% slow

Fuck's sake, had to dodge thrice in a row so far because of retarded fucking instalockers. Riot should make a 30 second timer before anyone can lock in. I hate this shit.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37070957]AoE cleartime is not a benefit for Sejuani because 70% of junglers have AoE camp clearing abilities[/QUOTE] Yeah it is, considering she's a ganking jungler. It's not a big shock that she clears slower than the two strongest counter-junglers in the game, but that she can quickly do small camps is a very big benefit to her, same for Nautilus. Rammus and Maokai slow down over time (Actually, Rammus is just always slow), as an example. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jund;37070962]How are E and R gap closers E depends on you hitting your Q, an auto good luck if it's on cd, or ulting (every 130 seconds early game) How is a 3 second 70% slow any more of a gap closer than a 5 second 35-95% slow[/QUOTE] If you don't understand it then you don't understand it. Also, you don't gank with your gap closer right out of the gate, that's incredibly bad practice.

Sejuani is bad

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070978]If you don't understand it then you don't understand it.[/QUOTE] wow

[QUOTE=Jund;37071051]wow[/QUOTE] Okay, so Sejuani is ganking you. She uses Arctic Assault, you Flash before it hits. She throws her ult at you, you're stunned for one second, possibly even two. Either way, she now casually trots up towards you, and once the stun runs out, she presses E and you're now slowed 70%. All the while her laner is also coming up with whatever it is they have. If youre a laner with another escape other than Flash (I'm gonna assume you are with the meta being what it is these days), she's just going to wait until you use it so she can Permafrost after you use it to catch up again. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] Seriously, these aren't wildly mysterious methods for any jungler.

[QUOTE=Exploits;37070978]Yeah it is, considering she's a ganking jungler. It's not a big shock that she clears slower than the two strongest counter-junglers in the game, but that she can quickly do small camps is a very big benefit to her, same for Nautilus. Rammus and Maokai slow down over time (Actually, Rammus is just always slow), as an example.[/QUOTE] Just compare her to other junglers. Less CC than Nautilus Less AoE output than Amumu Slower jungle time than Amumu, Shyvana and Mundo Permanent slow that Amumu can basically have with Rylai's Less mobility than Shyvana She's just not good.

[QUOTE=Exploits;37071077]Okay, so Sejuani is ganking you. She uses Arctic Assault, you Flash before it hits. She throws her ult at you, you're stunned for one second, possibly even two. Either way, she now casually trots up towards you, and once the stun runs out, she presses E and you're now slowed 70%. All the while her laner is also coming up with whatever it is they have. If youre a laner with another escape other than Flash (I'm gonna assume you are with the meta being what it is these days), she's just going to wait until you use it so she can Permafrost after you use it to catch up again. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] Seriously, these aren't wildly mysterious methods for any jungler.[/QUOTE] So she has thrown all of her shit including her summoner spells just for one kill wow you sure sold that for me fuck diana i'm saving for sej the more abilities used the better

[QUOTE=Kondor58;37071144]So she has thrown all of her shit including her summoner spells just for one kill wow you sure sold that for me fuck diana i'm saving for sej the more abilities used the better[/QUOTE] When did I say she even used Flash? By the 15 minute mark even if I'm behind I have at least 20% CDR on Sejuani without a blue buff, you're not 'wasting' anything.

[QUOTE=Exploits;37071077]Okay, so Sejuani is ganking you. She uses Arctic Assault, you Flash before it hits. She throws her ult at you, you're stunned for one second, possibly even two. Either way, she now casually trots up towards you, and once the stun runs out, she presses E and you're now slowed 70%. All the while her laner is also coming up with whatever it is they have. If youre a laner with another escape other than Flash (I'm gonna assume you are with the meta being what it is these days), she's just going to wait until you use it so she can Permafrost after you use it to catch up again. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] Seriously, these aren't wildly mysterious methods for any jungler.[/QUOTE] What does this have to do with anything E's not a gap closer

But Nautilus using his ult, grab, slow, and his shield isn't "throwing all of his shit"?

[QUOTE=Kondor58;37071144]So she has thrown all of her shit including her summoner spells just for one kill wow you sure sold that for me fuck diana i'm saving for sej the more abilities used the better[/QUOTE] not to mention if you can actually time your gank properly you can maybe y'know kill the enemy champion before they can escape instead of dicking around slowing them for an hour before your teammate arrives ganking before your teammate can help you is just dumb and that's how you feed the enemy a double kill [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Exploits;37071191]But Nautilus using his ult, grab, slow, and his shield isn't "throwing all of his shit"?[/QUOTE] He doesn't throw all his shit when he ganks and doesn't need to.

[QUOTE=Jund;37071188]What does this have to do with anything E's not a gap closer[/QUOTE] No, but it gets her back up to you, there-in, it's an [i]effective[/i] gap closer. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;37071199]He doesn't throw all his shit when he ganks and doesn't need to.[/QUOTE] But apparently when I make examples with Sejuani you guys require she has absolutely every advantage avaialble to her where-as apparently Nautilus can gank you from your fountain out of mid lane.

Then how is Nasus' Wither not a gap closer Gap closers are spells that close the gap by solely by themselves

[QUOTE=Exploits;37071204] But apparently when I make examples with Sejuani you guys require she has absolutely every advantage avaialble to her where-as apparently Nautilus can gank you from your fountain out of mid lane.[/QUOTE] your example was "sejuani ganks early and permaslows the enemy champion while you wait for your teammate to catch up and actually deal damage" for one, that's a bad gank and if they aren't under their tower 5 seconds after you enter lane, the person you've ganked is retarded. two, champions with stuns and snares produce the same effect. amumu can enter the lane much more quickly, Nautilus can actually bring the enemy closer. These are generally more useful things.

[QUOTE=Jund;37071243]Then how is Nasus' Wither not a gap closer Gap closers are spells that close the gap by solely by themselves[/QUOTE] That's why I keep saying it's an effective gap closer. I'm not using the word 'effective' to mean 'really really good' I mean it in the sense that the result is you're closer to them and you've closed a gap. Ie. Udyr's Bear Stance makes him run faster to help him close gaps, but isn't a gap closer, but I would still label it an effective gap closer. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;37071291]your example was "sejuani ganks early and permaslows the enemy champion while you wait for your teammate to catch up and actually deal damage" for one, that's a bad gank and if they aren't under their tower 5 seconds after you enter lane, the person you've ganked is retarded. two, champions with stuns and snares produce the same effect. amumu can enter the lane much more quickly, Nautilus can actually bring the enemy closer. These are generally more useful things.[/QUOTE] I didn't know Nautilus could solo laners.