[QUOTE=Rarara;37239906]3 pages of saying Lycan is OP.
Earlier today I randomed Lycan, then my friend went Wisp.
There were no survivors.[/QUOTE]
It always blows my mind how clueless people are about wisp. They will literally stand there looking at the animation for the port and not even move. I used to try and be clever about putting it behind trees and shit, and I just don't even bother anymore.
Such is life in the plastic bracket.
[editline]14th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;37239949]no there is no here we go again
lycan is overpowered and that is it, if you choose not to believe this go for it but it won't stop it from being the truth
the end[/QUOTE]
Got a bunch of tournament statistics to back you up?
Didn't think so.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37239987]It always blows my mind how clueless people are about wisp. They will literally stand there looking at the animation for the port and not even move. I used to try and be clever about putting it behind trees and shit, and I just don't even bother anymore.
Such is life in the plastic bracket.[/QUOTE]
There was a Visage that he teleported DIRECTLY behind, he didn't move.
I came out of nowhere, he didn't move.
I punched him a few times, he didn't move.
At 100hp he suddenly decides to start running.
[QUOTE=Suttles;37239963]I once saw a kunkka with 3 divine rapiers
rip[/QUOTE]
speaking of kunkka I managed to steal his boat yesterday as rubick
what the fuck is this skill and how does anybody ever land it oh my god
[QUOTE=Rarara;37240019]There was a Visage that he teleported DIRECTLY behind, he didn't move.
I came out of nowhere, he didn't move.
I punched him a few times, he didn't move.
At 100hp he suddenly decides to start running.[/QUOTE]
AFK opponents are best kind of opponent.
[QUOTE=dual elites;37240071]speaking of kunkka I managed to steal his boat yesterday as rubick
what the fuck is this skill and how does anybody ever land it oh my god[/QUOTE]
oh no a boat
ill just step out of the way
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37239987]It always blows my mind how clueless people are about wisp. They will literally stand there looking at the animation for the port and not even move. I used to try and be clever about putting it behind trees and shit, and I just don't even bother anymore.
Such is life in the plastic bracket.
[editline]14th August 2012[/editline]
Got a bunch of tournament statistics to back you up?
Didn't think so.[/QUOTE]
well I dunno gravy
except that lycan has been at the top of the competitive tier list since he actually entered the game
he is the absolute best pusher in the game
you know how lesh is considered absolutely pick or ban now, but it took people a few months to get to grips?
lycan was top tier since day 1 of his adding
[QUOTE=dual elites;37240071]speaking of kunkka I managed to steal his boat yesterday as rubick
what the fuck is this skill and how does anybody ever land it oh my god[/QUOTE]
The boat decides where it wants to land, 50% luck 50% skill.
Place it behind trees or something so they wont see it coming.
Boat is mostly used for the rum buff.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;37238500]Actually, I like how someone described Lycan before. Not sure who though.
Lycan is essentially big angry creep. He has no form of affecting enemy, other than damaging them.
He can summon wolves, for scouting, but mainly for damage.
He can increase his/allies/minion damage.
His passive effectively increases his damage.
His ultimate gives him MS, some health and mostly damage/chance to do damage.
Nothing else, no utility whatsoever.
Anti-Mage has mini-stun, manaburn and blink. Faceless void has bash, blink, dodge and AoE disable. Naga Siren has snare, - armor aoe nuke, pause button and illusions, etc.
Lycan has only damage, a lot of it, but only damage.[/QUOTE]
A creep with haste who can own items.
Your entire comparison is retarded.
Wouldn't Omniknight kind of counter Lycan btw?
If solo laning he should be level 6 by the time Lycan is ganking.[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;37240253]IIRC it comes in from a static distance of 1000 behind cast point and crashes 1000 ahead of it[/QUOTE]
For me the boat X seems to be wherever it wants to be.
Its never directly where I click, which makes sense I guess, but its not always the same distance forwards.
[QUOTE=Rarara;37240161]The boat decides where it wants to land, 50% luck 50% skill.
Place it behind trees or something so they wont see it coming.
Boat is mostly used for the rum buff.[/QUOTE]
IIRC it comes in from a static distance of 1000 behind cast point and crashes 1000 ahead of it
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;37240131]well I dunno gravy
except that lycan has been at the top of the competitive tier list since he actually entered the game
he is the absolute best pusher in the game
you know how lesh is considered absolutely pick or ban now, but it took people a few months to get to grips?
lycan was top tier since day 1 of his adding[/QUOTE]
To be fair that isn't the most convincing argument because you could just say nobody has found his counter yet. Like in fighting games where grapplers are always #1 top tier in the first couple of months before people really get the system down.
On the other hand it's been a while since he was introduced and there aren't really any signs of him being allowed any more soooo
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37239987]It always blows my mind how clueless people are about wisp. They will literally stand there looking at the animation for the port and not even move. I used to try and be clever about putting it behind trees and shit, and I just don't even bother anymore.
Such is life in the plastic bracket.[/QUOTE]
if I see the red warp on my map
forget everything
that ball of light is fucking DEAD
[QUOTE=dual elites;37240071]speaking of kunkka I managed to steal his boat yesterday as rubick
what the fuck is this skill and how does anybody ever land it oh my god[/QUOTE]
I play kunkka often. The distance is a fixed number. It always lands 500 units away in the direction that you cast it.
[editline]14th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;37240253]IIRC it comes in from a static distance of 1000 behind cast point and crashes 1000 ahead of it[/QUOTE]
Wrong, the total distance travelled is 1000 units. It spawns 500 units behind kunkka and lands 500 units in front of him.
[QUOTE=RagerTrader;37240192]A creep with haste who can own items.
Your entire comparison is retarded.[/QUOTE]
We are talking inherit abilities.
Haste is on cooldown and it's actually better than haste, as it can't be removed.
If we were supposed to take any item combination into account, then everyone has stun that goes through BKB, a sheep, a nuke, invulnerability, magic immunity, great regen,etc.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;37240131]well I dunno gravy
except that lycan has been at the top of the competitive tier list since he actually entered the game
he is the absolute best pusher in the game
you know how lesh is considered absolutely pick or ban now, but it took people a few months to get to grips?
lycan was top tier since day 1 of his adding[/QUOTE]
This line of reasoning has been addressed already. Can't be fucked to copy paste. Read the past two pages.
Yeah I understand the mechanics of it but it's just so awkward, I don't know how people land it in pubs without some serious co-ordination with their team (haha yeah right)
[QUOTE=aydin690;37240315]I play kunkka often. The distance is a fixed number. It always lands 500 units away in the direction that you cast it.
[editline]14th August 2012[/editline]
Wrong, the total distance travelled is 1000 units. It spawns 500 units behind kunkka and lands 500 units in front of him.[/QUOTE]
He might have been including the AoE effects. As I recall you can stun someone about 800 units in front of you.
[QUOTE=aydin690;37240315]Wrong, the total distance travelled is 1000 units. It spawns 500 units behind kunkka and lands 500 units in front of him.[/QUOTE]
This is probably more accurate
Range just says 1000, wiki needs to be more clear
[QUOTE=dual elites;37240388]Yeah I understand the mechanics of it but it's just so awkward, I don't know how people land it in pubs without some serious co-ordination with their team (haha yeah right)[/QUOTE]
wait until some enemies group up, torrent, than boat
or better yet have someone play enigma and then you just win every teamfight
I rage so hard when I see bloodseekers get forcestaff and use it for more damage on rupture. And half the time get themselves killed with it because they force staffed the enemy AWAY.
I love all these retarded "lmao i pick ursa i win!!!!!!!!!!!" people who have no idea what razor's static link does
[QUOTE=aydin690;37239269]Yeah, but the problem is that he farms way too fast and he can have a vlads, basher and bkb in less than 30mins.[/QUOTE]
I can have mantastyle battlefury on antimage by 20-25
I feel bad when I see that Battlefury is the most common item on Anti Mage yet I never buy it and instead go for Midas.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;37241724]I love all these retarded "lmao i pick ursa i win!!!!!!!!!!!" people who have no idea what razor's static link does[/QUOTE]
How to annihilate pursa: Pick viper, press r, Left click pursa.
Commence right clicking.
[QUOTE=Maruhai;37241978]I feel bad when I see that Battlefury is the most common item on Anti Mage yet I never buy it and instead go for Midas.[/QUOTE]
Both are fine items since you'll most likely not be ganked in the jungle
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;37241724]I love all these retarded "lmao i pick ursa i win!!!!!!!!!!!" people who have no idea what razor's static link does[/QUOTE]
Thats why I love razor
"Fuzzy wuzzy wants to wip out my team? too bad I stole your damage"
and nobody ever buys ghost scepter to counter him, ocne I spent 30 minutes telling my team we needed a fucking ghost scepter after ursa destroyed two teammates
"Ghost scepter is useless dude, get ethereal blade"
FUCK
[QUOTE=Neobdragon;37245240]I'm surprised blademail hasn't been mentioned yet[/QUOTE]
Blademail doesn't work much against Ursa because he's naturally more tanky than your average hero, so you will die before him regardless.
Blademail is especially good against little piles of paper like Phantom Assasin.
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;37241724]I love all these retarded "lmao i pick ursa i win!!!!!!!!!!!" people who have no idea what razor's static link does[/QUOTE]
From my time playing Dota 2 I've seen allot less of Ursa since hes so easily countered.
Also because if you're going to pick a dumb right-click high DPS pub stomper you may as well pick Lycan
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