[QUOTE=Haxxer;37306775]sure, spirit breaker [B]can[/B] carry too, but that doesn't make him into a carry
this guy lastpicked silencer and literally went into my solo long lane, stole exp and last hits and then went to the short lane and did the same thing.[/QUOTE]
That's because he's also a carry. Hell, Spirit Breaker isn't even a support.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/VmmGh.png[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/KaFqX.png[/img]
Both are classified as carries. Durr.
[QUOTE=Haxxer;37306775]sure, spirit breaker [B]can[/B] carry too, but that doesn't make him into a carry
this guy lastpicked silencer and literally went into my solo long lane, stole exp and last hits and then went to the short lane and did the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I don't think relying on spirit breaker to carry is a good idea if theres a silencer on the team
[QUOTE=titopei;37306915]I don't think relying on spirit breaker is a good idea[/QUOTE]
FTFY
Magical bash is retarded. Build a bkb. Never give a shit about spirit breaker ever again. Every other melee bash in the game bypasses magical immunity, even skull basher. Greater bash, while having one of the coolest sound effects in the game, is an awful skill.
[QUOTE=Santz;37306379]You need some people to coordinate the ganks, go power treads, drums, dominator helm, arlmet, hyperstone into AC.
Hes a neat ganker but he requires the safe lane and some early levels and farm to do well. Also its hard to play against people with good map awareness.[/QUOTE]
Actually when i think of this build...ya, that's actually pretty good. MoM fucked me up more times that it helped.
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;37306673]Isn't silencer supposed to be a carry though?[/QUOTE]
Silencer is kind of weird in that way. He can support but late game he turns into a fucking monster that rips supports in half.
Man, I was all ready to go to buy the Ursa Alpine Stalker set just to annoy the fuck out of people and it's 13 God damn dollars. Lame.
[QUOTE=Murdoco;37304921]Void has to be baby sat in his lane. He needs a support to be with him and he needs to be in the easy lane. He's just not very strong early game and laning with a hero like pudge is just going to lead to an absolute trainwreck against almost any lane combo. You were double melee against a melee and a ranged who could easily harass and kill you. Void needs a ranged support who will just let him last hit and farm up and possibly play aggressive if the opportunity for a kill shows itself.
I don't think it's really your fault but as void you shouldn't lane with heroes like pudge and you need to make sure you set up the right lane.[/QUOTE]
I always make sure to have someone to babysit me when I pick a late game carry, but I'm always scared of the enemy harassing me to death
[QUOTE=Banned?;37307947]Man, I was all ready to go to buy the Ursa Alpine Stalker set just to annoy the fuck out of people and it's 13 God damn dollars. Lame.[/QUOTE]
The hat is the only part worth a lot, I wonder why. :v:
[img_thumb]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576712851106461417/5207250596B52EC816DF6662B8CDBF2C11A3563B/[/img_thumb]
Invoker's copying Pudge's new style~
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSaaTdGmb0A[/media]
never again do i play spirit breaker
EDIT: also fuck wisp
[QUOTE=mitcheroo;37308454][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSaaTdGmb0A[/media]
never again do i play spirit breaker
EDIT: also fuck wisp[/QUOTE]
After killing the wisp you should have just bought a TP at their fountain and tp'd out. Could have escaped just fine if you did. I think. I didn't see anyone else in their base.
[QUOTE=Murdoco;37308664]After killing the wisp you should have just bought a TP at their fountain and tp'd out. Could have escaped just fine if you did. I think. I didn't see anyone else in their base.[/QUOTE]
i really should of, i stupidly thought i might have had a clean escape through top :(
ugh every game i see lycan picked i just cringe, he is unbelievably hard to deal with superb push and escape.
i never really have fun when he's in the game (on my team and on the opponents team)
I find entertaining how some people deal (or not) with meld
I saw the entery enemy team sitting next to TA, then one second later they all say "fuck it" and start doing something else, instead of using their AoE skills (kunkka's ult, razor's plasma field)
they also left as soon I casted a tornado, to let TA escape :v:
[QUOTE=stealth_camo;37309055]ugh every game i see lycan picked i just cringe, he is unbelievably hard to deal with superb push and escape.
i never really have fun when he's in the game (on my team and on the opponents team)[/QUOTE]
That's really only what happens when you leave his jungle alone
Just try to be super annoying with wards in his jungle and he really has nothing to do with his crappy early game skillset
we did, it's just you have to devote so many resources to shut him down while the other team if they're good start pushing, giving him space to farm
if you leave him alone for like 5 mins he has his vlads and solos roshan, it's just too much coordination for the average pub.
[QUOTE=Santz;37295437]Void and Medusa are the strongest hard carries.
Void because of Bash, backtrack and its amazing Chronosphere.
Medusa because of his Mana shield which makes her a brutally tanky carry and her split shot been completely awesome when having full items.
Tied on the next place for me, would be many of the mass illusion heroes, in this order, Terrorblade(Zeal and Metamorphis make him such a fucking beast), Spectre(Dispersion and Haunt so good), Phantom Lancer and Naga.(Chaos knight would get an special mention here, but his ulti cooldown doesn't make him a reliable carry)
Anti-Mage probably goes next, Blink and mana burn been amazing, also great attack animation.
Morphiling later thx to morph and replicate, also because of BURST DAMAGE.
Obsidian Destroyer then later as a counter-carry, against illusion heroes but countered HARD by BKB, and requires initiation towards the carry they want to focus on(Still his ulti, rapes illusions).
Silencer as well, but never played because no escape and squishy(same reason why OD is barely played too) and cuz BKB shits on him too.
THEN we enter the realm of LUCK, where you have Phantom Assassin.
This is comparing heroes with the same amount of farm(so completely farmed).
AND then you have Lone Druid that if you also say that has farmed EVERYTHING, that means he has full items on his bear and himself, which would make him a brutal carry but that's just not possible in the universe, even a Medusa with full items its more real than a 12 item Druid.
[sp]OPINIONS[/sp][/QUOTE]
Spectre is the hardest carry, why? Useless without items, worst lane control in the game and refraction allows her to scale forever
[QUOTE=leonthefox;37309271]I find entertaining how some people deal (or not) with meld
I saw the entery enemy team sitting next to TA, then one second later they all say "fuck it" and start doing something else, instead of using their AoE skills (kunkka's ult, razor's plasma field)
they also left as soon I casted a tornado, to let TA escape :v:[/QUOTE]
Urgh, fucking [I]this[/I]. As soon as she goes invisible, her existence exits the minds of my team and they all bloody wander off. Many "She can't move while invis you blithering retards!" rages and angry ping spams on her location came from me that week. Luckily I played a lot of Batrider (her worst enemy) that week, so could handle her somewhat and mitigate the morons.
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;37309804]I love doing that as Wisp.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUJfrNyKTq0[/media][/QUOTE]
IT WAS YOU WASN'T IT
i'll get you
[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;37309650]Spectre is the hardest carry, why?[B] Useless without items, worst lane control in the game[/B] and refraction allows her to scale forever[/QUOTE]
Definition of a carry.
Oh god played with this hilarious guy. He was playing sven, I said I was solo bot as SK and we already had enchant jungling, and he says "naw man im gerna purl dat kemp ova dere" He sounded like fucking hank hill. I was pinging like crazy because he just sat in jungle farming complaining about how enchantress (who ended with 26 last hits) was taking all the farm from the carries. Then our team would complain about sven not stunning, and he would say calmly but also angrily "ah erm stunnin yur all jest too slew"
Probably the most hilarious thing was when i was pinging like fucking mad, they were pushing mid and both towers were about to be destroyed, so he said "I AINT CERMIN NO MURR YER PINGIN TOO MUCH! STERP IT! STERP IT! ITS NERT FUNNEH ENEMORE"
[QUOTE=titopei;37306915]I don't think relying on spirit breaker to carry is a good idea if theres a silencer on the team[/QUOTE]
that wasn't my point
they CAN carry, but if the team composition doesn't fit for it, you shoudn't try to carry
just played a match with a wisp who thought hes a carry and needs to steal all my farm as skeleton king
..we also had a void, huskar and shadow fiend.
[QUOTE=Falcqn;37308118][img_thumb]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576712851106461417/5207250596B52EC816DF6662B8CDBF2C11A3563B/[/img_thumb]
Invoker's copying Pudge's new style~[/QUOTE]
And Furion loves to go skinny dipping in the jungle lately.
I played some drunk dota last night. I remember picking alchemist and repicking to pick alchemist again and proceeded to go mid.
It didn't go well
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;37306999]FTFY
Magical bash is retarded. Build a bkb. Never give a shit about spirit breaker ever again. Every other melee bash in the game bypasses magical immunity, even skull basher. Greater bash, while having one of the coolest sound effects in the game, is an awful skill.[/QUOTE]
fun fact about greater bash: it knocks people over earthshaker's fissure
that's right, you can fissure block [I]yourself[/I]
[QUOTE=stealth_camo;37309398]we did, it's just you have to devote so many resources to shut him down while the other team if they're good start pushing, giving him space to farm
if you leave him alone for like 5 mins he has his vlads and solos roshan, it's just too much coordination for the average pub.[/QUOTE]
a rotation of wards for roshan/the jungle is the least you can do..
[QUOTE=leonthefox;37307983]I always make sure to have someone to babysit me when I pick a late game carry, but I'm always scared of the enemy harassing me to death[/QUOTE]
I usually have a comeback.
I only lost 2 games in 7 with void. I get one or two deaths at start on the laning phase maybe, get a bunch of last hits, get into fights that usually work well, game goes 40 minutes and by then I should be 16.
It's weird. I usually suck at last hitting, but with void I manage alright and always get a few nice items. Even with a few harassments, I seem end up pulling through at least enough to make a presence.
I'm far from being truly effective and good at void, but I could do much worse, like with Drow.
[editline]19th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=murphy7;37310797]just played a match with a wisp who thought hes a carry and needs to steal all my farm as skeleton king
..we also had a void, huskar and shadow fiend.[/QUOTE]
Wisp doesn't lands anything (or even tries to, trying to be a carry)
Void ulti's teammates only
Huskar loses health
Fiend gets nothing from dying
Best team ever :v:
Is it normal that I can't play ursa at all?
I played him AWFULLY yesterday, but then again I was target No.1 for Doom's burgers who was quite literaly Usain Bolt from hell who would disable me asap.
But then again, I've never played it right.
Since people are crying about Lycan for a change, I saw this vid, tried it myself and discovered that it's legit. It's quite hard to do and you're not getting any farm, but Lycan isn't getting any either, and you are there to delay his Vlad's as long as possible. I higly recommend watching this.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAzmV9PFZLs&feature=g-upl[/media]
Also, you climb back in gold using track so you're only getting no farm during the 1st 10~ mins.
I get so fucking demotivated by people in pubs who thinks everyone should be super pro and flame in allcaps the whole game. I mean I've played a lot of LoL as well as DOTA 2 but the amount of horrible flamers in DOTA is just overwhelming. And that's compared to LoL!
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