Dota 2 General Chat - "give her the ward" - Games

Well I just found stumpy. So far I've found the Blood Chaser, 2 Call of the Dendrochron and now Stumpy. I like free, expensive stuff :v:

[QUOTE=Jojje;37323522]...bounty hunter not a carry?[/QUOTE] Gondar is a ganker who can transition into a carry if he does his job right.

gondar is as much of a carry is riki is they're both good hit and run heroes but can't teamfight for shit and shouldn't be built for such

[QUOTE=ReLak;37323806]gondar is as much of a carry is riki is they're both good hit and run heroes but can't teamfight for shit and shouldn't be built for such[/QUOTE] Weeeelllll. Riki has cloud that is amazing for teamfights, getting rid of casters without magic immunity. Gondar's Track gives bonus bounty to anyone in range, increases their movement speed and he has a handy-dandy slow from Jinada. They are still useful in teamfights.

[QUOTE=Tokagero;37324076]Weeeelllll. Riki has cloud that is amazing for teamfights, getting rid of casters without magic immunity. Gondar's Track gives bonus bounty to anyone in range, increases their movement speed and he has a handy-dandy slow from Jinada. They are still useful in teamfights.[/QUOTE] tidehunter, enigma and faceless void have large aoe disables tinker, leshrac and sand king have large aoe damage brewmaster can literally control a teamfight with blink+clap+split and riki has his cloud of silence (and miss chance) and gondar has bonus gold from a kill + single target slow don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they can't contribute, but they are single target heroes who work so much better by trying to get map control through picking off heroes rather than trying to force teamfights, and as such should be built to pick off lone heroes rather than build for teamfights. It's like people who don't push as lycan and instead farm for 30 mins, it works but that doesn't mean it's good. e: I'll concede on the "can't teamfight for shit" but they're still hit and run heroes

Heh, interesting. Io's relocate won't interrupt channelling, i.e. you can make stuff like SK ult into enemy team with Wisp and you don't have to worry about breaking his rev-up, or take enigma into fountain after he black-holed entire enemy team on low hp, and black hole will still be working. [B]But[/B] Back-relocate (i.e. tp after 12 seconds) interrupts stuff, so no TP to fountain, get sk and make him ult to kill people waiting for you.

[QUOTE=somerandomidiot;37321134][post=37107099]Are[/post] [post=37106384][I]you[/I][/post] really calling other people racists?[/QUOTE] Don't even [b]dare[/b] to compare after you've even seen and heard the shit they do. You probably would even have the same or even an heavier opinion like mine if you went through the shit I or other people around here did. Just for a sample of it, they would [b]kill[/b] me for calling the cops on them just to get my bike back, denying they had stolen it at all.

[QUOTE=dass;37324397]Don't even [b]dare[/b] to compare after you've even seen and heard the shit they do. You probably would even have the same or even an heavier opinion like mine if you went through the shit I or other people around here did. Just for a sample of it, they would [b]kill[/b] me for calling the cops on them just to get my bike back, denying they had stolen it at all.[/QUOTE] Doesn't change the fact that you're a racist

way to derail.

[QUOTE=leonthefox;37322291]I still don't know why some people starts with boots and a salve Also, just played with a crystal maiden who died a lot early game and didn't level up arcane aura, despite two people asking her to do it, AND "i can't buy dust/wards i'm saving money"[/QUOTE] I saw in a spectate match where Pudge had randomed Pudge, bought boots, while randomed Mirana bought a bottle and gave it to Pudge. [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] Pretty interesting what all kinda smaller strats like that you can come up with. [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] Also what's up with the racism? Did somebody's bike get stolen?

[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;37325135]Isn't mid supposed to gank, especially if they have great disables (eg. Shadow Shaman, Pudge, Bane)? It's so rare to see mid gank in pubs, pretty much the only time I see mid ganking is when I take mid. (which is rare with all the instalock invokers going "I MID" before the game has even started) It really annoys me how early kills can fuck the enemy team completely, but nobody aims for them. Even with no wards in any games. I just don't get it.[/QUOTE] Depends. Some heroes can gank without any trouble due to their ability setup. Some require certain scenarios to be met (Puck = level 6, Night Stalker = Night,etc). Some are there to farm, like Shadow Fiend, and gank if runes turn out to be lucky. It depends on hero, player, even enemy setup. Let's say you want to gank as Invoker. Enemy line setup : Enigma in jungle (no aggresive wards) Windrunner on long lane (fuck cold snap) Mirana on the middle (jumps over a gank) Dazzle + whatever guy with stun bottom (gank ? I stun, you run, if someone goes down to low, shallow grave!) In that case you might just wanna hard-harass, farm, control runes and make sure you use your lane to it's most, before embarking on roaming early-mid with more powerful items and spells.

[QUOTE=dass;37324397]Don't even [b]dare[/b] to compare after you've even seen and heard the shit they do. You probably would even have the same or even an heavier opinion like mine if you went through the shit I or other people around here did. Just for a sample of it, they would [b]kill[/b] me for calling the cops on them just to get my bike back, denying they had stolen it at all.[/QUOTE] Just an FYI not all Gypsys are like that. American gypsys are notorious for being much better people than european gypsys. Take it from someone who lives in a state with a huge concentration of gypsys :v:. [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] Also America isn't a race, so to imply that dass is a racist is wrong (unless you think we are a race, then go for it!). dass wasn't even being racist/xenophobic, he was just making a generalization about the people he met. And overall there are so many racist and xenophobic people across the globe. Remember all of the racist UKers who flooded youtube during the August 2011 London riots?

wat does that have 2 do with dota

what's the point in morphling when he gets all the farm in the world anyway by at least 30min? or push even harder, by 20min? lol

[QUOTE=Banned?;37322796]Yeah, but what you just said applies to every carry in the game except maybe anyone with an "out" like Anti-Mage, Faceless Void and Weaver and when I say that I don't mean they have good lane control, I mean they can not get their asses kicked in a pinch. [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] [B]I HAVE MADE A CHART![/B] -snip- - Anyone marked with red isn't a carry, or I don't expect them to be picked for the ability to carry. Don't get me wrong, QoP can rape a game but I don't expect her to be the carry. - Anyone marked in black doesn't have an out until six. - Anyone marked in green has a really dumb out that can be countered in lane, be it dust or a ward. - Anyone marked in blue has an out that they can have from level 1 if they want.[/QUOTE] Brewmaster not a carry? Brew is a dangerous motherfucker.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;37325680]Brewmaster not a carry? Brew is a dangerous motherfucker.[/QUOTE] I thought that that as OD early. Then I got sheepstick and bkb.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;37325680]Brewmaster not a carry? Brew is a dangerous motherfucker.[/QUOTE] Brew can carry but he's mainly used as an initiator

[QUOTE=EliteGuy;37325770]Brew can carry but he's mainly used as an initiator[/QUOTE] Brew, as a carry, gets out carried by virtually all of the major ones late game, assuming he isn't silly fed 15 - 0

initiator isn't really a primary role in the same way a carry is though carries can be initiators

[QUOTE=EliteGuy;37325770]Brew can carry but he's mainly used as an initiator[/QUOTE] His passive really is to make him, well , a brawler. He can stand toe to toe with most carries even late/mid game and early he feels like a farmed one, but that's it. It's not supposed to help him kill entire teams, there's reason it doesn't stack with items and is 25%/2x, and not 15%/3x. Same with Night Stalker. His passive gives him insane power early and makes him stronger per-item than heroes with no such passives, but his strenght lies in overpowering enemies and preventing them from ever growing items on carries who get better power/item benefits. Sure, in pubstomps they "carry", but that's just snowball effect that reached avalanche levels. I carried as Beast Master once. 1 passive AoE attack speed aura that equals to a bit less than hyperstone (AoE of course ,but other teammates weren't really farmed to matter much). I carried, because I used my tools, that have hard peak, effectively enough, that enemies never got chance to "grow" past dying to them rapidly. That's not "real" carry thing. Carry is supposed to be able to face semi-equally farmed opponents who are not carries, and smash them. Give 6k gold to CM and 6k gold to Sniper, I am betting my money on Sniper. That's why disrupting their farm is so important. Because if they catch up, you are in disadvantage that requires hard effort to work around.

[QUOTE=Bordellimies;37324676]Doesn't change the fact that you're a racist[/QUOTE] I'd like to know what you call people that come from another country to yours, who then proceed to steal your land, steal your stuff, sell drugs, threat that they'll kill you and just overall shit on you and your business.

Brew scales well into PvP late game, and has the tools to chase and kill an enemy, or many enemies, depending on his level of farm.

[QUOTE=dass;37326031]I'd like to know what you call people that come from another country to yours, who then proceed to steal your land, steal your stuff, sell drugs, threat that they'll kill you and just overall shit on you and your business.[/QUOTE] "i'm racist, but I [I]totally[/I] have reasons for it!"

[QUOTE=Reimu;37325459]Just an FYI not all Gypsys are like that. American gypsys are notorious for being much better people than european gypsys. Take it from someone who lives in a state with a huge concentration of gypsys :v:. [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] Also America isn't a race, so to imply that dass is a racist is wrong (unless you think we are a race, then go for it!). dass wasn't even being racist/xenophobic, he was just making a generalization about the people he met. And overall there are so many racist and xenophobic people across the globe. Remember all of the racist UKers who flooded youtube during the August 2011 London riots?[/QUOTE] I know that pretty well. Not all gypsys are like that, but the problem is that 95% of them are just like that. They'll quite literaly stick a knife on you just for a cellphone. Trust me, if you lived here, you would instantly call them the scum of the earth. Bonus points if you would live near me, where they live near the highway and spend their days throwing rocks at cars. But no, apparently saying americans tend to be somewhat disrespectful towards other people's ethnicities with no reason is the same as complaining about how a certain race comes into a country and literaly infests it with shit and scams. GETTING BACK ON TOPIC... How good is Axe? I'm finding a patern where teams with Axe usually lose, and its happening quite a lot nowadays. [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dual elites;37326081]"i'm racist, but I [I]totally[/I] have reasons for it!"[/QUOTE] If I'm racist, then you're totaly ignorant, but I guess I can't ask much from someone who has no idea what they are talking about and just talks out of their ass like a self-entitled know it all. You're just like those doctors who come on TV with a gypsy family saying they are poor misguided people who get treated like crap, probably knowing nothing about the shit they do behind your back.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;37326050]Brew scales well into PvP late game, and has the tools to chase and kill an enemy, or many enemies, depending on his level of farm.[/QUOTE] His Nuke has hard cap and all it provides late is tiny bit of extra damage and slow. His drunken haze is great at disabling main right-click carry and for extra bit of slow, but MKB purchase renders it of little use, or heck, BKB. His passive is not up to par to passives of other heroes around who are build around right-click. 25% non-stackable dodge is great early and mid, but late game it'll provide little protection. 25% crit, same deal, it's just 2x damage compared to even 4x availiable. His ultimate is extremely powerful, but also strips him of his other abilities, meaning that if enemy can kill his brewlings without dying too much, it's far too late for it. Before that, it's teamfight powerhouse, disables, chase, damage, full package. It is supposed to be "big" early, "strong" mid, "formidable" late, but it's not "rape" late, as in case of many carries. At least it's not in a balanced game, as I said, "carrying" pubs is doable with any hero, so let's no confuse this and actual "carry" heroes, unless we make a disambiguation and take into account categories like "hard carry", "light carry", "semi carry" (i.e. brew for example), etc. Sometimes Dota just get's hard on my brain, I am not sure if I am making sense. 50 Shades of Carries. [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dass;37326109] How good is Axe? I'm finding a patern where teams with Axe usually lose, and its happening quite a lot nowadays. [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] [/QUOTE] He is specific. Try and find games where Axe gets a couple of early kills with culling blade/spin damage or annoys lane to hell with Battle Hunger (axe kotl lane, uuuggh). If they build on this, they can win,as he is bout early advantage build into survivability and sudden damage/k.o. move.

[QUOTE=Tokagero;37326136]He is specific. Try and find games where Axe gets a couple of early kills with culling blade/spin damage or annoys lane to hell with Battle Hunger (axe kotl lane, uuuggh). If they build on this, they can win,as he is bout early advantage build into survivability and sudden damage/k.o. move.[/QUOTE] I've seen stuff precisely like that failing hard later in the game, even with a truckload of hp. I think they usually carry heart by then, and they still get killed with just a small effort.

[QUOTE=dass;37326180]I've seen stuff precisely like that failing hard later in the game, even with a truckload of hp. I think they usually carry heart by then, and they still get killed with just a small effort.[/QUOTE] As they are supposed to. Axe has hard cap on pretty much all abilities. Just spin is based off AS of enemy, but this is double-edged sword here. Treat him a bit like Dirge. Early, into Mid, into very much effort Late. You can't just stand toe to toe with enemy carries or even better brawlers, but you can still be useful by focusing on squishier heroes and carrying supportish items, like Pipe for example. Just, once again, No carryin.

[QUOTE=Tokagero;37326210]As they are supposed to. Axe has hard cap on pretty much all abilities. Just spin is based off AS of enemy, but this is double-edged sword here. Treat him a bit like Dirge. Early, into Mid, into very much effort Late. You can't just stand toe to toe with enemy carries or even better brawlers, but you can still be useful by focusing on squishier heroes and carrying supportish items, like Pipe for example. Just, once again, No carryin.[/QUOTE] Hence why they tend to be just a pile of muscles in the way to kill and move on. So he's basically just there to kick supports and don't let them do their stuff at late game.

So guys, who's the most hated, dass or me ? :v:

Who cares? v:v:v