[QUOTE=Maruhai;37326301]So guys, who's the most hated, dass or me ? :v:[/QUOTE]
Hated for reasons unknown
But I'm sure they are all justified :downs:
[QUOTE=dass;37326571]Hated for reasons unknown
But I'm sure they are all justified :downs:[/QUOTE]
Can't we all just get along?
[QUOTE=Chickens!;37326457]Who cares? v:v:v[/QUOTE]
Well it would be nice to not have people shit on whatever you say when they know nothing about what you're talking about or not being total dicks towards your opinions or comments.
But I guess some people are just too "important and great" to be nice towards everyone.
[editline]20th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;37326618]Can't we all just get along?[/QUOTE]
No problem from me, except for the fact that once in a while I get what seems to be an elitistic prick who says "shut up, you're bad and you should feel bad" along with this thing that apparently I am a racist for hating what a bunch of parasites do to people like me.
But sure, I can get along if anyone does so aswell.
-snip sorry
[QUOTE=dass;37326632]along with this thing that apparently I am a racist for hating what a bunch of parasites do to people like me.
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See, the problem with that is it offends people who disagree and see it differently. It's not that you're wrong it's just that it's offensive to others. It's a matter of perspectives.
It's the same how people insult Brazilians and non-english speakers when they play poorly on US East or Russians.
Brewmaster really is a carry, he can just do other things as well.
just because he's not agi and can initiate does not make him not a carry.
what you mean is he isn't a hard carry, which is true.
[editline]20th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tokagero;37326136]His Nuke has hard cap and all it provides late is tiny bit of extra damage and slow.
His drunken haze is great at disabling main right-click carry and for extra bit of slow, but MKB purchase renders it of little use, or heck, BKB.
His passive is not up to par to passives of other heroes around who are build around right-click. 25% non-stackable dodge is great early and mid, but late game it'll provide little protection. 25% crit, same deal, it's just 2x damage compared to even 4x availiable.
His ultimate is extremely powerful, but also strips him of his other abilities, meaning that if enemy can kill his brewlings without dying too much, it's far too late for it. Before that, it's teamfight powerhouse, disables, chase, damage, full package.[/QUOTE]
his nuke is damage in the early game, in late game you use it for the large slow and the large miss chance.
him losing abilities when he ultis is not a disadvantage, seeing as his primal split abilities are fucking incredible
he can purge buffs (bkb can be removed if I remember correctly), and disable two people consistently in a fight.
and if the enemy team focuses on the split, they're trying to kill three, very hard targets, while your team attacks them, aka they lose the fight
same shit with slardar. you take slardar when you don't want a hero that needs a long time to get going, and one that can be effective in the late game.
so he is effectively a 'semi-carry/carry' too.
[QUOTE=Banned?;37322796]Yeah, but what you just said applies to every carry in the game except maybe anyone with an "out" like Anti-Mage, Faceless Void and Weaver and when I say that I don't mean they have good lane control, I mean they can not get their asses kicked in a pinch.
[editline]20th August 2012[/editline]
[B]I HAVE MADE A CHART![/B]
- Anyone marked with red isn't a carry, or I don't expect them to be picked for the ability to carry. Don't get me wrong, QoP can rape a game but I don't expect her to be the carry.
- Anyone marked in black doesn't have an out until six.
- Anyone marked in green has a really dumb out that can be countered in lane, be it dust or a ward.
- Anyone marked in blue has an out that they can have from level 1 if they want.[/QUOTE]
this chart is ass
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;37326718]See, the problem with that is it offends people who disagree and see it differently. It's not that you're wrong it's just that it's offensive to others. It's a matter of perspectives.
It's the same how people insult Brazilians and non-english speakers when they play poorly on US East or Russians.[/QUOTE]
Thats like comparing a kid calling you bad names to a man who broke into someone's house, stole everything, killed the ocupants and left.
One thing is someone calling a black man a "nigger" or a chinese man a "gook" for no reason of than trying to be superior. That's just racism.
Another is hating people who invade your country only to steal its resources, steal land for their barracks just like they did to my grandparents, steal your shit and denying it while even threatening you with death, dealing drugs like a baloon salesman, claiming government money for their 10 kids even though they don't even work, and who knows what more.
The percentage of people in their group who don't do this here in Portugal (or might I just say Europe?) and actually lead a normal life are probably below 10%. They are nothing more than a plague, filling up spots, ruining it for anyone who has the bad luck of living near them.
Please don't tell me what to feel about people like them, because they really don't care about that and would just "clean" your house if you let a window open.
The people who get offended by this most likely have no idea of how bad a problem they are.
Hence my "racism" for them.
Mine, and everyone else.
Oh and I wasn't the one starting the thing about the gypsys. Just gave my first hand opinion on them.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;37326838]Brewmaster really is a carry, he can just do other things as well.
just because he's not agi and can initiate does not make him not a carry.
what you mean is he isn't a hard carry, which is true.
[editline]20th August 2012[/editline]
his nuke is damage in the early game, in late game you use it for the large slow and the large miss chance.
him losing abilities when he ultis is not a disadvantage, seeing as his primal split abilities are fucking incredible
he can purge buffs (bkb can be removed if I remember correctly), and disable two people consistently in a fight.
and if the enemy team focuses on the split, they're trying to kill three, very hard targets, while your team attacks them, aka they lose the fight
same shit with slardar. you take slardar when you don't want a hero that needs a long time to get going, and one that can be effective in the late game.
so he is effectively a 'semi-carry/carry' too.[/QUOTE]
Very well. If he is a carry, can he be the "focal" point of the team in late game as can Void, Naga Siren, Anti Mage, etc. ? His right-click damage will never match theirs, disables can be avoided with BKB and miss chance nullified with MKB.
Thing about carries, you can't shut them down hard late without some real sacrifices.
This is Dota of course we are talking, anything can happen, but in case of carries, true carries are those heroes who can bring a real powerful blow even on their own to the enemy team with proper gold supply.
Brewmaster is awesome, but he still is a brawler/semi-carry, not a true carry. As I said, if we will go deeper into the term, semi-carry fits, but not real carry due to shortcomings in form of hard-caps compared to real carries.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;37326993]Very well. If he is a carry, can he be the "focal" point of the team in late game as can Void, Naga Siren, Anti Mage, etc. ? His right-click damage will never match theirs, disables can be avoided with BKB and miss chance nullified with MKB.
Thing about carries, you can't shut them down hard late without some real sacrifices.
This is Dota of course we are talking, anything can happen, but in case of carries, true carries are those heroes who can bring a real powerful blow even on their own to the enemy team with proper gold supply.
Brewmaster is awesome, but he still is a brawler/semi-carry, not a true carry. As I said, if we will go deeper into the term, semi-carry fits, but not real carry due to shortcomings in form of hard-caps compared to real carries.[/QUOTE]
on most teams he is on, he will be the focal point because you want him to get enough xp and farm to have blink and aghs, and have significant level advantage.
to be honest, I really hate the term semi-carry, I find it an unnecessary distinction, because we already distinguish between carries and hard carries.
also brewmaster's right clicks will match theirs, because in the ideal brewmaster game, he'll be hitter harder than them, earlier in the game.
this is why I hate 'semi-carry' even more, because it makes people think that they aren't 'real carries'
they are real carries, you let a brewmaster get farmed and he will destroy you, he'll just do it earlier than 'real carries'
same with slardar, people mistake semi-carry to mean 'not very good at carrying'
this is why most people call them gankers I guess
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;37327048]on most teams he is on, he will be the focal point because you want him to get enough xp and farm to have blink and aghs, and have significant level advantage.
to be honest, I really hate the term semi-carry, I find it an unnecessary distinction, because we already distinguish between carries and hard carries.
also brewmaster's right clicks will match theirs, because in the ideal brewmaster game, he'll be hitter harder than them, earlier in the game.
this is why I hate 'semi-carry' even more, because it makes people think that they aren't 'real carries'
they are real carries, you let a brewmaster get farmed and he will destroy you, he'll just do it earlier than 'real carries'
same with slardar, people mistake semi-carry to mean 'not very good at carrying'
this is why most people call them gankers I guess[/QUOTE]
Semi-carry =/= not good at carrying. It means can carry, if at a bit more advantage.
Brewmaster level 16 with blink and Agha.
This is his peak in terms of his abilities. His right-click maxes out earlier than other carries too, because all he has for it is 25% to deal 2x damage.
He will lose in a fight against equally farmed and properly itemised Faceless, Anti-Mage, Sylla, etc.
However, if he did utilise his early power and enemy carry is not as far as Brew is in terms of items and levels, then he can beat him.
That's semi-carry.
A carry would stand great chance if equally farmed against another carry.
[QUOTE=Maruhai;37326301]So guys, who's the most hated, dass or me ? :v:[/QUOTE]
why would dass even be hated at all?
I've never seen him cause any problems ever unlike you
turns out this game isn't nearly as hard as I remember it being :v:
[QUOTE=Tokagero;37327161]Semi-carry =/= not good at carrying. It means can carry, if at a bit more advantage.
Brewmaster level 16 with blink and Agha.
This is his peak in terms of his abilities. His right-click maxes out earlier than other carries too, because all he has for it is 25% to deal 2x damage.
He will lose in a fight against equally farmed and properly itemised Faceless, Anti-Mage, Sylla, etc.
However, if he did utilise his early power and enemy carry is not as far as Brew is in terms of items and levels, then he can beat him.
That's semi-carry.
A carry would stand great chance if equally farmed against another carry.[/QUOTE]
Depends what you mean by 'equally farmed'
if you mean 'both had the same amount of gold, depending on that amount, brewmaster could easily win.
brew does more with less gold, that's the point.
the semi carry is for when you want the game to end sooner rather than later, so you pick heroes that are more effective faster.
also level 16 is his peak in terms of mere skills, sure
but even then his skills continue to be useful into the late game
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;37327218]Depends what you mean by 'equally farmed'
if you mean 'both had the same amount of gold, depending on that amount, brewmaster could easily win.
brew does more with less gold, that's the point.
the semi carry is for when you want the game to end sooner rather than later, so you pick heroes that are more effective faster.
also level 16 is his peak in terms of mere skills, sure
but even then his skills continue to be useful into the late game[/QUOTE]
Of course, but that's it, he peaks earlier than some other heroes.
I mean, I like to consider even Invoker a carry simply because all of his skills continue to raise up to level 25 and then some of them scale very well with right-click damage.
Why are people being so aggressive and violent in both this and the emporium thread, it's like the very stereotype of douche bags in Dota.
People likes to go into fire with coal.
[QUOTE=Supersheepie;37327746]Why are people being so aggressive and violent in both this and the emporium thread, it's like the very stereotype of douche bags in Dota.[/QUOTE]
BECAUSE I AM BETTER THAN THE REST AND MY OPINION HAS MORE WEIGHT (IN MY OPINION)!
[QUOTE=Neobdragon;37327882]I'd like to know what you call people that reside in your country, were born there, who proceed to steal your land, steal your stuff, sell drugs, threat that they'll kill you and just overall shit on you and your business.[/QUOTE]
Pricks who bark louder than they bite or actual criminals.
I've already said this.
It's true there are exceptions. Not every gypsy is a lowlife scum. The problem is that its a minority within a minority, just like how not everyone is a criminal.
Theres a reason why nobody likes them or even want them anywhere near anything remotely valuable.
[QUOTE=Banned?;37322796][B]I HAVE MADE A CHART![/B]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/XxekY.png[/t]
- Anyone marked with red isn't a carry.[/QUOTE]
so since youre bad at invoker that means he cant carry yeah ok
[QUOTE=Kendra;37327901]BECAUSE I AM BETTER THAN THE REST AND MY OPINION HAS MORE WEIGHT![/QUOTE]
If you had said it this way, it would fit a lot of people here on FP. One person in particular.
[QUOTE=dass;37328029]If you had said it this way, it would fit a lot of people here on FP. One person in particular.[/QUOTE]
The joke was that since he considers his opinion fact, and what he said is in his opinion... :(
[editline]20th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=xpod1;37328022]so since youre bad at invoker that means he cant carry yeah ok[/QUOTE]
Also, why does he consider Doom Bringer not a carry? I mean, he's squishy as fuck, but he can hurt late-game.
Doom shares more with Int heroes than he does with Str carries.
Doom can farm like a motherfucker with devour.
[QUOTE=xpod1;37328022]so since youre bad at invoker that means he cant carry yeah ok[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that at all but thanks for your stupid opinion.
posting your negative opinion about a hero results in ~10 posts of people disagreeing you, you just went on the next level by posting that chart
i call another 1 page of arguments
[QUOTE=Prism;37328353]posting your negative opinion about a hero results in ~10 posts of people disagreeing you, you just went on the next level by posting that chart
i call another 1 page of arguments[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the moba genre.
[QUOTE=Gorm;37328362]Welcome to Dota 2 General Chat[/QUOTE]
ftfy
[QUOTE=Banned?;37328265]Doom shares more with Int heroes than he does with Str carries.[/QUOTE]
And that means he can't carry according to you?
Are you people reading impaired?
[quote]- Anyone marked with red isn't a carry, [B][U][I]or I don't expect them to be picked for the ability to carry.[/I][/U][/B] Don't get me wrong, QoP can rape a game but I don't expect her to be the carry.
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[QUOTE=Kendra;37327901]BECAUSE I AM BETTER THAN THE REST AND MY OPINION HAS MORE WEIGHT (IN MY OPINION)![/QUOTE]
Dude this isnt the SC2 megathread.
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