[QUOTE=Sector 7;37227070]the forum went through a brief North Korea period during 2005 in which you could expect a permanent ban for making spelling errors.[/QUOTE]
2006 was the best year in my opinion. Things were perfectly "nazi" :v:
I can't make a proper mk1-2 lander that's stable during launch, most of my orbits become rather eccentric and makes launching from orbit to the mun a challenge. Anyone got any tips? Haven't gone at it in a while, been making satelites and unmanned rovers.
(This is also masked as a rather desperate attempt to appear on-topic)
[QUOTE=jordguitar;37227145]Do it anyways? What are they doing to do? Ban you? You can set up the licence and prevent it from being hosted or linked on the KSP forums and they would have to honor it and if they dont, DMCA their asses.
I know that mod site is being worked on and it will be perfect and easier to use. If they dont like it what are they going to honestly do. A mod on a internet forum wont be able to shut it down no matter how angry and stupid he is. Squad would have to actually do something and at the rate things are going they might not care at all because you are doing nothing wrong.
I am also DAMN SURE he will try to make a rule preventing it. But again, how the fuck is he going to enforce it on a forum. If all the FP mod makers jump ship and post their new licences and explicitly state that the mods can no longer be posted in any way on their forums, they cant do shit with their new licence rule.[/QUOTE]
Alright then, I guess we should take stock of everyone who'd be willing to "jump ship" so that when the time comes we can do it all at once, and make sure the break is as clean as possible. Kosmos will definitely move over, but I'm hoping KW, ExPI, and anyone else who posts here will come with us.
C'mon guys not all this crap again. I thought we were all grown ups. So DR says something or does something that you guys don't like, so you decide to all throw a hissy fit, cause bad feelings between two communities and even consider takign yourselfs and your mods out and away from KSP? Well done for punishing Squad and the KSP community.
Sure, you don't like DR or his actions, thats your perogative, but this is all childish. DR isn't a bad guy, not really a bad mod, I think he's still finding his moderating feet, as it were. You guys should justs ettle and calm down, if you don't like DR, fine, don't interact with him, but don't cause grief for the rest of the forums just because you don't like one guy.
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;37220590][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/r6bxj.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/7PwCG.png[/IMG]
it begins[/QUOTE]
After the crap that ahppened last time, I'm not honestly suprised nor can I blame him, notice that the ban is only if people go into the irc trying to flame or cause trouble. Sure, he may be over reacting slightly, but after last time I can't really blame him
Now I've got a ton of work ahead of me, trying to smooth things down on both sides, but I'll do it, because I think Squad is a fucking awesome dev group and shouldn't suffer because you lot disagree with one of the moderators. Very easy to backseat moderate.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;37227279]Alright then, I guess we should take stock of everyone who'd be willing to "jump ship" so that when the time comes we can do it all at once, and make sure the break is as clean as possible. Kosmos will definitely move over, but I'm hoping KW, ExPI, and anyone else who posts here will come with us.[/QUOTE]
So then you've got a little circle of FPers and only FPers who will play your mods, since you wouldnt be allowed to externally link them from the forums, so really, you're screwing over the rest of the KSP users because of one person. Which is only going to hurt Squad in the end.
It's not that DR is a bad mod, really, he just doesn't put himself across or conduct himself like FP moderators do, which is what you don't like (DR is actually a pretty good mod, but you've been spoiled by the damn high standards FP mods use to put themselves across)
Holy shit this I expected an update and all I got was foul internet drama.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;37227375]C'mon guys not all this crap again. I thought we were all grown ups. So DR says something or does something that you guys don't like, so you decide to all throw a hissy fit, cause bad feelings between two communities and even consider takign yourselfs and your mods out and away from KSP? Well done for punishing Squad and the KSP community.
Sure, you don't like DR or his actions, thats your perogative, but this is all childish. DR isn't a bad guy, not really a bad mod, I think he's still finding his moderating feet, as it were. You guys should justs ettle and calm down, if you don't like DR, fine, don't interact with him, but don't cause grief for the rest of the forums just because you don't like one guy.
After the crap that ahppened last time, I'm not honestly suprised nor can I blame him, notice that the ban is only if people go into the irc trying to flame or cause trouble. Sure, he may be over reacting slightly, but after last time I can't really blame him
Now I've got a ton of work ahead of me, trying to smooth things down on both sides, but I'll do it, because I think Squad is a fucking awesome dev group and shouldn't suffer because you lot disagree with one of the moderators. Very easy to backseat moderate.
So then you've got a little circle of FPers and only FPers who will play your mods, since you wouldnt be allowed to externally link them from the forums, so really, you're screwing over the rest of the KSP users because of one person. Which is only going to hurt Squad in the end.
It's not that DR is a bad mod, really, he just doesn't put himself across or conduct himself like FP moderators do, which is what you don't like (DR is actually a pretty good mod, but you've been spoiled by the damn high standards FP mods use to put themselves across)[/QUOTE]
Maybe if Squad realize the situation is harming them, DR will get kicked out and everything will be good and dandy??!
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I am sorry, I am a tad bit out of the bowl, but from what I have read the shit he did and "good mod" simply does not compute.
[quote]Maybe if Squad realize the situation is hurting them, DR will get kicked out and everything will be good and dandy??![/quote]
Doubtful, all that people whining and stirring the pot on here is going to do, is going to get all Facepunchers punished for the grumblings of a few people and thats good for nobody. It's not that hes a terrible mod, but you're all used to different standards and indeed differnt kinds of Moderating on here. Facepunchers are really spoled when it comes to the standards of moderation on here.
If all you guys calm the hell down, behave, stop with this nonsense and sto pwith the idea of you all migrating away, I'll see about working with him to make himself a better mod and mentor him a bit.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;37227577]Doubtful, all that people whining and stirring the pot on here is going to do, is going to get all Facepunchers punished for the grumblings of a few people and thats good for nobody. It's not that hes a terrible mod, but you're all used to different standards and indeed differnt kinds of Moderating on here. Facepunchers are really spoled when it comes to the standards of moderation on here.[/QUOTE]
I have been on numerous forums and none which had people like him lasted for long.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;37227375]C'mon guys not all this crap again. I thought we were all grown ups. So DR says something or does something that you guys don't like, so you decide to all throw a hissy fit, cause bad feelings between two communities and even consider takign yourselfs and your mods out and away from KSP? Well done for punishing Squad and the KSP community.
Sure, you don't like DR or his actions, thats your perogative, but this is all childish. DR isn't a bad guy, not really a bad mod, I think he's still finding his moderating feet, as it were. You guys should justs ettle and calm down, if you don't like DR, fine, don't interact with him, but don't cause grief for the rest of the forums just because you don't like one guy.
After the crap that ahppened last time, I'm not honestly suprised nor can I blame him, notice that the ban is only if people go into the irc trying to flame or cause trouble. Sure, he may be over reacting slightly, but after last time I can't really blame him
Now I've got a ton of work ahead of me, trying to smooth things down on both sides, but I'll do it, because I think Squad is a fucking awesome dev group and shouldn't suffer because you lot disagree with one of the moderators. Very easy to backseat moderate.
So then you've got a little circle of FPers and only FPers who will play your mods, since you wouldnt be allowed to externally link them from the forums, so really, you're screwing over the rest of the KSP users because of one person. Which is only going to hurt Squad in the end.
It's not that DR is a bad mod, really, he just doesn't put himself across or conduct himself like FP moderators do, which is what you don't like (DR is actually a pretty good mod, but you've been spoiled by the damn high standards FP mods use to put themselves across)[/QUOTE]
When did FP mods think it was morally right to edit someones post to remove something because you thought it was garbage.
This is where the problems come from. He edited LordCrypto's post about the WTFPL licence, he edited it out and then proceeded to say that it was garbage. It was there and although one person took it a bit too far, any and all criticism was instantly shot down, moved or deleted. He then proceeded to run around to other sites to throw smoke in the air by quoting other rules for whatever reason and then began his little vendetta against ALL FP members.
There is a massive problem now.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;37227601]When did FP mods think it was morally right to edit someones post to remove something because you thought it was garbage.
This is where the problems come from. He edited LordCrypto's post about the WTFPL licence, he edited it out and then proceeded to say that it was garbage. It was there and although one person took it a bit too far, any and all criticism was instantly shot down, moved or deleted. He then proceeded to run around to other sites to throw smoke in the air by quoting other rules for whatever reason and then began his little vendetta against ALL FP members.
There is a massive problem now.[/QUOTE]
He's given rules to follow and thats what he does, true, in the case of the licence, him saying its garbage isn't perhaps the right move, personal opinion mixed with moderator actions never comes across well to the people you're moderating. He's not got a specific vendetta against Facepunchers, its just after last time, and after FP members ganging up on him telling him how awful he is, he leaps directly to preventative measures without trying to fix things first. He's also a mite touchier than usual due to personal circumstances, but since that circumstance is having a newborn baby in the house, him being a bit touchier is understandable, even if you don't like it. He also doesn't delete all threads he doesnt like, some threads get put into a hidden forum so they can be reviewed, it isn't like he just goes nope, and deletes them. Then you start to question his moderator actions, but KSP mod policy is to discuss moderation things ONLY with the people involved.
Fact of the matter is, if you guys were from another forum and you came over here and started pullign the crap with a moderator on here, You'd be slapped down and punished hard, remember that.
[QUOTE=Pilotguy97;37225302]Find out KSP was Hazeron'd, made day bad.[/QUOTE]
Wait, there was a forum meltdown for Hazeron? I've not been there in forever.
Yes but not for posting a fucking licence. And he is behaving like a goddamn child.
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[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;37227773]Wait, there was a forum meltdown for Hazeron? I've not been there in forever.[/QUOTE]
I remember reading something on here to the effect of the dev permabanning EVERYONE in the leading faction or something (never played it so I have no clue)
[editline]14th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=finbe;37224240]Both skunk monkey and damian are absolutely batshit insane. they only got moderator spots since they were the first to call in. Or they were lying and saying "I will be a fair and balanced moderator, and never let my own opinion get in the way.".[/QUOTE]
iirc SkunkMonkey is harv's brother.
Has anybody contacted Squad about which licenses you are allowed to use on your mods?
If there is a license restriction, then it needs to come from them.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;37227675]He's given rules to follow and thats what he does, true, in the case of the licence, him saying its garbage isn't perhaps the right move, personal opinion mixed with moderator actions never comes across well to the people you're moderating. He's not got a specific vendetta against Facepunchers, its just after last time, and after FP members ganging up on him telling him how awful he is, he leaps directly to preventative measures without trying to fix things first. He's also a mite touchier than usual due to personal circumstances, but since that circumstance is having a newborn baby in the house, him being a bit touchier is understandable, even if you don't like it. He also doesn't delete all threads he doesnt like, some threads get put into a hidden forum so they can be reviewed, it isn't like he just goes nope, and deletes them. Then you start to question his moderator actions, but KSP mod policy is to discuss moderation things ONLY with the people involved.
Fact of the matter is, if you guys were from another forum and you came over here and started pullign the crap with a moderator on here, You'd be slapped down and punished hard, remember that.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on some things, the massive gang mentality that fp showed (worse last time) really backs him into a corner and it's easy to see why he gets defensive, but you of all people know that being responsible even in the face of idiocy and even personal attack is part of the responsibility of being a moderator or any official figure
also I wasn't aware of his personal circumstances, I can see how that would wind him up
[editline]14th August 2012[/editline]
btw what happened to you becoming a moderator? as far as I can tell they're actively 'recruiting'
I'm technically a mod on the KSP forums, I just don't do actual moderation much because all the other guys are on top of it before i can get to it.
And yes, while being responsible even in the face of personal tasks is parts of the responsibility, you can get so sick of it that you'll occasionally lash out, afterall we're only human. I think it's a case of moderation style, while it wasn't our style on FP to get defensive and cut off problems before they happen, it just is with DR.
Oh my , what the fuck is going on the forums
some mod declared him self as a dictator or something ?
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;37228221]I'm technically a mod on the KSP forums, I just don't do actual moderation much because all the other guys are on top of it before i can get to it.[/QUOTE]
So he has people that could cover for him if he did the mature thing and stepped back from a situation he can't be impartial about.
[QUOTE=NovaSilisko]Hmm...
[t]http://i.imgur.com/6RP0M.jpg[/t]
Whoever is responsible for this shall be found and forced to pay 5 dollars for causing great mental anguish. You have been warned.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to change the wind sound in game with Tribes: Ascends wind sound.
Ok 280+ post. and all about KSP forum trouble again...
Good thing I stay out from that.
Uh... What's wrong with that Pelf?
[QUOTE=ccib00;37229555]Uh... What's wrong with that Pelf?[/QUOTE]
I don't know. Nova posted it, nobody reposted it here, so I did.
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What the christ has happened?
The symmetry buttons and ship name box have moved to the corner?
I released an update for my station parts. Airlocks are now functional! Get it [url=http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/forum/showthread.php/6280-0-16-ExPI-Space-Stations-0-4-Interplanetary-Probes-WIP]here[/url].
you know, with him editing out the license, if the license requires you to use the same license if you release derivatives, he would be in violation of the license
[QUOTE=viperfan7;37231380]you know, with him editing out the license, if the license requires you to use the same license if you release derivatives, he would be in violation of the license[/QUOTE]
How about we just let it go?
So anyways, how's everyone's designs for interplanetary travel coming along?
[QUOTE=Dacheet;37233620]So anyways, how's everyone's designs for interplanetary travel coming along?[/QUOTE]
Interplaneary? I still haven't landed on minmus!
Also it would be nice to revive Kerbal.net without the crap about taking over KSPF. Just as a resource for mod makers to use and share modes in thats organized would be nice.
[img]http://www.leet.cc/UPDAT..PNG[/img]
I was expecting a new update :v:
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;37234279]that is not the solution
at all
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i recommend we all do what i've been doing until yesterday:
[B]get in, get mods, get out[/B]
you're not forced to use their forums[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I've been talking with Damion over IRC for a while. Trust me when I say that he's [B]not[/B] a bad guy. He simply want you guys to follow the rules. The recent events must have seemed like a raid on their forums, even though I didn't find it that way at first. So it may have been obvious for him to delete these "raid" threads.
He wanted me to tell you guys that [U]you are not banned[/U] or anything. Damion was simply angry when he said that.
And in the end this doesn't mean you can't discuss certain matters with their moderators. They just want it to take place through their PM system.
I mean there's simply no need to cause some drama because of a minor event. You guys can't seriously be talking about pulling out your mods just because of this. Come on ...
[URL]http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/forum/showthread.php/17030-About-FacePunch-and-something-I-said[/URL]
[QUOTE][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/r6bxj.png[/IMG]
I was angry when I said this, and was acting inappropriately and for that I apologize. But what I meant, was that anyone creating an account on these forums, or on IRC from FacePunch with the sole intent to inflame, cause trouble, or other wise cause issues would be immediately banned without warning. We do not allow open discussion of Forum Moderation, period. It doesn't lead to anything other than the issue at hand. If you have an issue with any of the Mod's, PM them and if that is not handled, escalate to the next moderator in the chain of command until your issue is resolved. This forum is about the Game, not about how we moderator the forum. Though I do apologize to FacePunch users who have been good users on these forums, and to FP users who have not joined yet. No one has been banned that has not directly broken the rules of KSP Forums.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;37234537]and he's been constantly saying something: he's following orders
if we should be mad at anyone it should be squad, not him[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Squad is who gave him power, and who has let him keep it, has approved it, and helped strengthen it. They want him there, so there's nothing we can do about it.
And Harvester's post about the moderators and rules:
[QUOTE]What Skunky said ^^
It's stupid that we even have to say this, as it should be implicit, but let me make it as clear as I can:
The forum rules are NOT to be questioned.
The authority of the moderation team is also NOT to be questioned.
We reserve the right to change the forum rules at any time.
None of the modders are doing anything we here haven't ok'ed or even ordered them to do in the first place.
So, acting out against the moderators is quite simply stupid and no one should do it. On almost every case, they're only enforcing decisions made by us, and giving them a hard time about it is not only useless, it's also a very quick way to get yourself in trouble.
I hope I made this clear.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
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