Continuous over-praising of classic games, and why it's a problem. - Games

RPG and innovative games hold up over time better than most other games that try to be technologically advanced. Hence why Super Mario RPG is still an amazing game (as well as most SNES RPGs), and something like Half Life will always have fun to it. But something like Call of Duty 4? 10 years from now it won't be anything more than a memory, kind of like how Doom 3 is no longer fun.

Quake 1 > MW2 and Black Ops. In my opinion.

[QUOTE=proton_woman26;27954668]Played Morrowind a few months ago (for about 12 hours, because people kept urging me on), absolute shit. Engine feels extremely outdated, combat is horrible. I regret not having played it when it was released. I'm angry, as I even had the game CD when I was younger, but it didn't want to install back then. Fallout 1 got boring quickly as well (5 hours in, I guess?). Revisiting classic RPGs that I missed in their golden ages has proven a disappointing venture, because I seem to have gotten [I]used[/I] to today's technology and gameplay. Anything else just seems [I]weird[/I]. Even Deus Ex (though not nearly as much). [sp]Arcanum is the exception, fuck, what an awesome game. Shame that guns are as effective as throwing dog shit at your enemies.[/sp][/QUOTE] Morrowind is one of the greatest action RPGs of all time, and also my one of my favorite games, I'd much rather play it then most new games. Also, everyone complains about the combat, which in my opinion isn't half bad, as it was a blending of real-time and stat based. What most people fail to understand is that Morrowind is an RPG FIRST, and an action game second.

I 100% agree, I mean, never forget the classics because they led to what we have today, but "ZOMG MARIOH IS TEH BEST GAEM EVOR IT ROX UR SOX!" is to much.

"OMG harlf leif is owld and dat mins dey shit, v bettur pleh sum mainkratt an blak ops XD XD XD" Seriously, the old stuff kicks rad, new stuff, not to be stubborn.. but its all the same, HD firstperson shooter without any other challenge than kids screaming in microphones. Half-life 2 had a great combat system and amazing enviroment, puzzles, story compared to Call of Cock and other modern games.. LBP2, Minecraft and Garrys mod, are fine modern games, and i really look forward to From Dust. Everything else are mindless HD shooters..

Modern game suffer from a lack of originality, I've been noticing it more and more and it pisses me off.

It makes me sad that I can't play brand new games for long periods of time, because it has always been done before. I really, really want a game that is new and innovative... It's probably why I love indie games so much. For example, in 2007-08, I played Call of Duty for the first time. I absolutely loved it, and of course, instantly bought Modern Warfare 2 when it came out. That's when i realised that the CoD series will now ALWAYS be a generic piece of shit, just because they're churning out a new one every year. It's also why I respect Valve as a company; making their games good, and fun to play, even if they have to delay it a few times.

The problem with Black ops is that it was made to beat the sales numbers of MW2.

This happens a lot, and I mean A LOT, with Pokemon. People claiming Red and Blue were the 'Best', but honestly, they weren't that great. Buggy, terribly balanced typing and movesets, etc.

While I agree that being close-minded about modern games never being as good as older games is stupid, I can kind of see where the non-extremists are coming from. No matter which way you slice it, it's fact that games are quite lacking in innovation. The main reason for this is because it costs a ridiculous amount of money to produce games, and it's a tried-and-true strategy just to clone the gameplay of Call of Duty and slap the name of a popular IP on it. Just look at Killzone 3, it's basically just a nicer-looking Call of Duty with a samey "Big army men take on space Nazis with big guns of the future" plot, but it will still sell well because it has fluent animations, nice graphics, familiar gameplay and a decent predecessor. There is a [b]lot[/b] of red tape to cut through when it comes to making innovative AAA titles nowadays, and most developers probably don't want to go through all that trouble and take such a big risk for their paycheck when they could just license off some fairly well-known shooter IP, copy Call of Duty and call it a day. This is why most 20+ year olds tend to like the older games better (If it's not just due to nostalgia), games were free to be creative because they didn't cost nearly as much money to create, and it was actually more profitable to make innovative titles than it was to just clone a popular one. This is probably also due in part to the gaming community going from being a smaller community of nerds like myself to the behemoth of 14 year old cockwads today, who can't play a game unless it has a big "[b]+100[/b]" flash up on their screen every time they get a "sweet trick shot kill" with a "hardcore" riff playing blaring at them every time they raise to a new level, without any real regard for weather or not the game they are playing plays and looks exactly like the last game they played or that the multiplayer is just an endless loop. But that's probably just me being the raging cynical PC elitist tosser that everyone seems to be now. No I don't know why I dedicated 3 overlong paragraphs to saying that, please give me 400 billion dumb ratings for being a long-posting bell-end.

[QUOTE=nige111;27956302]sorry but deus ex [I]is[/I] as good as people say[/QUOTE] Deus Ex is amazing, but the gunplay has not aged well. At all.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27958298]Morrowind is one of the greatest action RPGs of all time, and also my one of my favorite games, I'd much rather play it then most new games. Also, everyone complains about the combat, which in my opinion isn't half bad, as it was a blending of real-time and stat based. What most people fail to understand is that Morrowind is an RPG FIRST, and an action game second.[/QUOTE] I know that, but it doesn't mean that combat doesn't matter at all. I really dislike it, but yes, it doesn't take up much of the game. The main problem for me, though, is that the world feels so... quiet, boring and empty. Quests add some spice, but when walking, it's all so bleak and lonely. Nothing happens at all, unless you incite it. You just walk slowly from point A to point B through gray, boring landscape. There's no excitement at all. No sense of adventure. For me, at least. The beginning was interesting, where you were thrown with nothing into that small town and were supposed to get yourself up and running. But after that... meh.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;27945450]There will always be better games. But to think older games are worse, simply because they have aged, is childish and immature. Games don't need pretty graphics and pretty music and all kinds of sprinkly shiny doodie daddles to be fun and be a great game.[/QUOTE] Most good games of Olde have those things regardless, too, they've just had some technological restrictions put on them- which makes them that much more amazing. That's why every gen of gaming so far seems to have an overarching "stylization" of sorts, in terms of graphics- and in the earlier years, sound. It's not a bad thing.

[QUOTE=proton_woman26;27969249]I know that, but it doesn't mean that combat doesn't matter at all. I really dislike it, but yes, it doesn't take up much of the game. The main problem for me, though, is that the world feels so... quiet, boring and empty. Quests add some spice, but when walking, it's all so bleak and lonely. Nothing happens at all, unless you incite it. You just walk slowly from point A to point B through gray, boring landscape. There's no excitement at all. No sense of adventure. For me, at least. The beginning was interesting, where you were thrown with nothing into that small town and were supposed to get yourself up and running. But after that... meh.[/QUOTE] It was setting up a mood of dreariness, that was the point.

[QUOTE=proton_woman26;27954668]Played Morrowind a few months ago (for about 12 hours, because people kept urging me on), absolute shit. Engine feels extremely outdated, combat is horrible. I regret not having played it when it was released. I'm angry, as I even had the game CD when I was younger, but it didn't want to install back then. Fallout 1 got boring quickly as well (5 hours in, I guess?). Revisiting classic RPGs that I missed in their golden ages has proven a disappointing venture, because I seem to have gotten [i]used[/i] to today's technology and gameplay. Anything else just seems [i]weird[/i]. Even Deus Ex (though not nearly as much). [sp]Arcanum is the exception, fuck, what an awesome game. Shame that guns are as effective as throwing dog shit at your enemies.[/sp][/QUOTE] Wow. Just wow. I didn't play Morrowind when it first came out, rather a year or two later which I found kind of fun (I was a kid back then, I didn't enjoy the 'boring' in-depth RPG gameplay and wasted my time cheating with the console). Then I reinstalled it a few years ago when the technology was extremely outdated and it blew me fucking away. The depth of the gameplay is absolutely ridiculous.

[QUOTE=nige111;27956302]sorry but deus ex [I]is[/I] as good as people say[/QUOTE] Yup, I've played it for the first time last year and thought it was amazing. It's definitely one of my favourite games. Here you have it, a person praising the game whose judgement isn't clouded by the nostalgia. Now while I agree with OP that many old games are getting to much praise, some of them just are that good.

I don't think there are any original game ideas left to use anymore. Every single setting and genre combination has been used already... If I'm wrong, please tell me, but as I see it, originality automatically decreases over time.

Praising classic games isn't a bad thing. Nostalgia is. [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Dlaor-guy;27971094]I don't think there are any original game ideas left to use anymore. Every single setting and genre combination has been used already... If I'm wrong, please tell me, but as I see it, originality automatically decreases over time.[/QUOTE] Your last statement is right. But that doesn't mean originality is depleted.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27969819]It was setting up a mood of dreariness, that was the point.[/QUOTE] I didn't want to use the word 'bleak', because I knew someone would reply with soemthing like this. No, it is not dark, dreary or depressing, just boring and empty. It does not "immerse" me in a "dark" atmosphere, just bore me. Nothing interesting, but gray plains all the time (mostly, there are of course forests, etc., but all of the quests now are on those boring plains). The city of Vivec was interesting at first, but got monotonous. [QUOTE=Hobo4President;27970359]Wow. Just wow. I didn't play Morrowind when it first came out, rather a year or two later which I found kind of fun (I was a kid back then, I didn't enjoy the 'boring' in-depth RPG gameplay and wasted my time cheating with the console). Then I reinstalled it a few years ago when the technology was extremely outdated and it blew me fucking away. The depth of the gameplay is absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Could you please explain what you mean by "depth" of gameplay?

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27958298]Morrowind is one of the greatest action RPGs of all time, and also my one of my favorite games, I'd much rather play it then most new games. Also, everyone complains about the combat, which in my opinion isn't half bad, as it was a blending of real-time and stat based. What most people fail to understand is that Morrowind is an RPG FIRST, and an action game second.[/QUOTE] It's an interactive novel if anything. The reason everyone complains about the combat is because it [I]is[/I] shit.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27958298]Morrowind is one of the greatest action RPGs of all time, and also my one of my favorite games, I'd much rather play it then most new games. Also, everyone complains about the combat, which in my opinion isn't half bad, as it was a blending of real-time and stat based. What most people fail to understand is that Morrowind is an RPG FIRST, and an action game second.[/QUOTE] Morrowind is one of the most overrated games. People like you never shut up about it being great but it's horrible. It's literally a chore to play.

[QUOTE=spanaren;27973776]It's an interactive novel if anything. The reason everyone complains about the combat is because it [I]is[/I] shit.[/QUOTE] Yes, the combat, from an action standpoint, is bad, I agree. but that doesn't mean I can't be sick of people bitching about it does it? [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BigHeaded B;27973868]Morrowind is one of the most overrated games. People like you never shut up about it being great but it's horrible. It's literally a chore to play.[/QUOTE] Then you're playing it wrong, how exactly is it more of a chore then any other RPG? And just flat out saying it's horrible and not giving any reason why is a good way to piss people off.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27974124]Yes, the combat, from an action standpoint, is bad, I agree. but that doesn't mean I can't be sick of people bitching about it does it?[/QUOTE] That's your opinion, so no, it doesn't. Personally I couldn't get into the game just because of how horrible the combat was. If I wanted a good story I would watch a movie or read a book, if I want some action or fun or stress reliveing or something, I'll play a game

You know this got me thinkin'.. I've always thought that the reason why people can't enjoy "old" games is because of today's ever-increasing [b]lack of imagination[/b]. When people don't feel like playing the [I]real[/I] Fallout games, old Infinity Engine RPGs, dusty Point n' Click adventures, pioneering FPS' or older turn based strategy games, I can -most of the time- understand where they're coming from. Shitty interface, crappy colour palette, etc... I get that. But there are so many gaming jewels that -still to this day- offer richer experiences and hours of fun. What is it that makes some people endure crappy interfaces and deplorable graphics?

He's not generalizing, it truly does happen. I use to love Half Life:Blueshift till I saw that a bunch of people were extremely disappointed with it. For a bit, I hated it till I realized I had a lot of fun playing it. I think this applies to games in general however. I hated Final Fantasy VII but if you ask any of the gamers I know in real life, the absolutely adore the game. I can't even mention the fact I don't like it without getting hissed at by a bunch of dicks who don't even know what PC games are beyond World of Warcraft. Speaking of Dues Ex in your post, I've really been trying to play the game but....the controls, they just feel to clunky. And while I love the way the maps are designed at the same time the ambiguity of the different paths just ruins it. I don't mind exploring, but if I get lost every 10 minutes because I don't know how I got in a different path then I'm not able to find my way out, there is something wrong. Also, the philosophical debates it supposedly brings up are annoying as hell. Most games with a story have a theme and it pisses me off that something that brings up the theme at the end of the game(which is a tell-tale sign of a crappy story by the way) instead of through out gets more discussion as if we haven't already debated enough about it. So yes, I'm saying the Dues Ex is over rated. There are games with more better philosophical debates but they largely get ignored, such as Far Cry 2. Mainly because fanboys can't get past its not the same setting as Far Cry and is a completely different style. But its still the same idea, game design implementation and gaming philosophy behind it.

Lol regenerating health

[QUOTE=spanaren;27974167]That's your opinion, so no, it doesn't. Personally I couldn't get into the game just because of how horrible the combat was. If I wanted a good story I would watch a movie or read a book, if I want some action or fun or stress reliveing or something, I'll play a game[/QUOTE] The combat gets a lot better when you're a higher level, saying that you couldn't get into it says to me that you didn't get that far. if i had to judge, say, the first Star Wars movie on the opening 10 minetes alone I probably would say it was boring.

[QUOTE=GravijaCrux;27974252]Lol regenerating health[/QUOTE] Lol your last post didn't make sense and you obviously haven't played the game if you're saying "regenerating health."

[QUOTE=Swilly;27974242]He's not generalizing, it truly does happen. I use to love Half Life:Blueshift till I saw that a bunch of people were extremely disappointed with it. For a bit, I hated it till I realized I had a lot of fun playing it. I think this applies to games in general however. I hated [B]Final Fantasy VII[/B] but if you ask any of the gamers I know in real life, the absolutely adore the game. I can't even mention the fact I don't like it without getting hissed at by a bunch of dicks who don't even know what PC games are beyond World of Warcraft.[/QUOTE] Ugh, that's the most overrated FF game ever, if not the most overrated game of all time. I don't really love the FF games anyways, but my god, why does everybody love this one so much.

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