Continuous over-praising of classic games, and why it's a problem. - Games

[QUOTE=BigHeaded B;27974874]yeah well its not so that point doesn't really matter hey if tf2 was an rpg nobody would complain about buying hats!![/QUOTE] Well if it was an RPG then buying hats should of course actually be useful, but my point still stands, it's an RPG is first person, not a shooter. [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=proton_woman26;27974894]In isometric RPGs combat is usually much more fast-paced, which is why click-click-click fighting isn't as aggravating.[/QUOTE] MW's combat is extremely fast paced though? or is that just me.

Deus Ex is overrated to fucking hell and back and has aged like a bitch

Man I'm getting tired of these threads with people trying to be cool and edgy by saying that they don't get why everybody likes Half-life or whatever "classic" game you may talk about. When you play a game, you're either going to like it or not like it. In Half-life's case, a lot of people chose to like it. These people will obviously defend Half-Life as a good game. I played Grim Fandango last year, and that was seriously one of the best games I ever played. The story was so amazing. It's too bad that games like that are a dead genre. I'm just saying that age doesn't really fucking matter at all, you either like a game or don't. If you play Half-Life now and say that it's just a generic FPS I can understand that because there haven't been a lot of innovation in FPS's since HL and Halo. But you have to understand why some people defend it to death, especially if they grew up with it.

I can play Duke Nukem 3d now and still have more fun with that than when I'm playing let's say: Modern Warfare 2. Older graphics don't bother me at all.

To clear up some misconceptions about this thread: -I am not fanboying MW2 or anything like that -I am not saying that graphics are the most important thing in gaming -I am not in any way trying to insult classic games I am simply trying to make a point about people who continuously defend older games, and refuse to accept that they are outdated

[QUOTE=GravijaCrux;27974828]Except no. And that was exactly what my post was referring to (LOL NOBODY READS) I was born in 1987 and never had an SNES, a PS1 or a PS2 when they were "new". I also missed out on sooooooooo many PC games due to other limitations. My first Final Fantasy was FFX. I loved it. Years later I played FFVI (my favourite), then VII, then VIII, then V, then IX (boring, haven't finished it yet), etc... ... I played quake AFTER I had played countless hours of MoHAA. I played Baldur's Gate 2 AFTER Neverwinter Nights. I really got into SC1 AFTER I played hours and hours of ladder matches on Warcraft 3. I played through Monkey Island 1 and 2 in 2006. Thief, System Shock (1 and 2) and Deus Ex in 2009... the list goes on and on. Do you get my point now? Imagination. That's the only reason I can think of. I'm not a "better" gamer or anything, so why can't other people enjoy 'em too?[/QUOTE] I can say, except yeah. Cause did the same fucking thing for PC games. I may have had modern consoles, but my first game for my PS1, was the Namco collection set meaning, Galga, Pac-man Rally X. I played them and enjoyed them side by side with games like Spyro the Dragon and Crash Bandicoot. I played Dues Ex just last year. And no, imagination is there. You just don't where to look. And you're paying attention to the obvious games that lack it. Rachet and Clank ring any bells? How about Resistance, or Little Big Planet. For PC there is Minecraft, Killingfloor, Portal, Borderlands, and F.E.A.R. You obviously haven't been looking at the right spot if you're talking about Imagination. I play all games, whether their old or new, the main thing I want from my games is something different. With all the games in my library there is something different.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27975128]I am simply trying to make a point about people who continuously defend older games, and refuse to accept that they are outdated[/QUOTE] Of course they're outdated, they're old. so is my fucking car, doesn't mean that it's not a good car though.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975155]Of course they're outdated, they're old. so is my fucking car, doesn't mean that it's not a good car though.[/QUOTE] He wasn't saying they're bad either. He's saying how he's tired(like myself) of people who love older games bitching about newer ones because they aren't looking in the right direction. [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;27975184]He wasn't saying they're bad either. He's saying how he's tired(like myself) of people who love older games bitching about newer ones because they aren't looking in the right direction.[/QUOTE] Holy shit! I forgot fucking BIOSHOCK!

[QUOTE=Swilly;27975184] Holy shit! I forgot fucking BIOSHOCK![/QUOTE] Bioshock is a fucking piece of overrated shit, WHY DOES EVERYBODY LIKE IT, IT DOES NOTHING NEW.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975232]Bioshock is a fucking piece of overrated shit, WHY DOES EVERYBODY LIKE IT, IT DOES NOTHING NEW.[/QUOTE] Except the atmosphere, its storyline, the fact we can sympathize with the enemies in the game. Being able to combine two different attacks in a FPS. It was an actual idea that hasn't been done before, it was artistic, fun and challenging and held a lot of roots with classic games. SO yeah it did new shit, you just weren't paying attention.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975232]Bioshock is a fucking piece of overrated shit, WHY DOES EVERYBODY LIKE IT, IT DOES NOTHING NEW.[/QUOTE] Because they fucked up and didn't deliver anything they promised at E3 2005. It was originally going in the free-roam/rpg direction. What we got instead of that was a streamlined fps with the game world broken up into loading screens.

[QUOTE=Achilles123;27944944] I can still pick up any "old" game that I consider good by my standards, and have as much fun with it as I did when I played it as a child. [/QUOTE] This. I played Fallout 2 just today actually and it's just as fun as ever.

[QUOTE=BigHeaded B;27975305]Because they fucked up and didn't deliver anything they promised at E3 2005.[/QUOTE] A lot of games end up doing that :colbert: [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ali Legend;27975325]This. I played Fallout 2 just today actually and it's just as fun as ever.[/QUOTE] I can do the same with World in Conflict, I've played the storyline so many times.

[QUOTE=Swilly;27975292]Except the atmosphere, its storyline, the fact we can sympathize with the enemies in the game. Being able to combine two different attacks in a FPS. It was an actual idea that hasn't been done before, it was artistic, fun and challenging and held a lot of roots with classic games. SO yeah it did new shit, you just weren't paying attention.[/QUOTE] I didn't "sympathize" with any of the enemies in it.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975340]I didn't "sympathize" with any of the enemies in it.[/QUOTE] You weren't paying attention, I already said it. And that's really sad considering the little sisters were abducted daughters of the residents who were then forced to have a parasitic life form embedded in them and then conditioned to become what they are. Meaning they had no say, no choice, and had that position completely forced on them.

And OP, this thread is quite honestly pretty bad. Your point that die-hard gamers only play the games their like can hardly be true or valid. I'm pretty sure that even the NMA people play other games than FO1/2. The only game they're complaining on really is FO3 (and I can agree that the hate for that was pretty unnecessary). And the NMA doesn't really represent the entire die-hard fan community either. DNF is releasing in a couple of months and I've yet to see nothing but praise. Honestly, the expectations for that game are so high that I doubt anyone'll like it. All I'm saying is that over-praising games isn't a problem. If SO many people say that Grim Fandango, HL, DN and such are SO good games, then you can't just waltz in and say "these are all horrible games and are just like any other fps/adventure game" and those people will just go "yeah, you're absolutely right". I don't see your point OP, to be honest. In ten years maybe the 12-year olds who play mw2/blops right now will still defend it to death or maybe they've found a new online competitive FPS. Games are a form of entertainment, just like books or movies. People still praise Shakespeare's works, or Hitchkock's movies. Why shouldn't we gamers be allowed to praise Valve/lucasarts/3d realms games? (ps im talking about old lucasarts when all games they made were the shit)

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975340]I didn't "sympathize" with any of the enemies in it.[/QUOTE] You were supposed to understand their plight. you know they started doing drugs and turned into bad guys!!

[QUOTE=Swilly;27975366]You weren't paying attention, I already said it. And that's really sad considering the little sisters were abducted daughters of the residents who were then forced to have a parasitic life form embedded in them and then conditioned to become what they are. Meaning they had no say, no choice, and had that position completely forced on them.[/QUOTE] I "didn't play attention" because the game [B]wasn't FUN.[/B] so I could care less about it.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975420]I "didn't play attention" because the game [B]wasn't FUN.[/B] so I could care less about it.[/QUOTE] What wasn't fun? The fact you could shoot anything from lightening to bees outta your hand or because the gunplay was different? And that brings up my next point, even if a game isn't fun to me, I pause to see what they did differently. If there was any difference, and sitting there not paying attention because you aren't having fun is foolish. You learn nothing and you're probably missing parts that would be fun to you because you aren't paying attention.

[QUOTE=Swilly;27975366]You weren't paying attention, I already said it. And that's really sad considering the little sisters were abducted daughters of the residents who were then forced to have a parasitic life form embedded in them and then conditioned to become what they are. Meaning they had no say, no choice, and had that position completely forced on them.[/QUOTE] Zombies don't have a choice either but I still bash their brains in in games. [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;27975444]What wasn't fun? The fact you could shoot anything from lightening to bees outta your hand or because the gunplay was different?[/QUOTE] The novelty of the plasmids wore off quick, and what's different about the gunplay exactly? felt like stranded shooter fare to me.

[QUOTE=Swilly;27975366]You weren't paying attention, I already said it. And that's really sad considering the little sisters were abducted daughters of the residents who were then forced to have a parasitic life form embedded in them and then conditioned to become what they are. Meaning they had no say, no choice, and had that position completely forced on them.[/QUOTE] This is a good point. You can make any game bad when not paying attention, and you can do the exact opposite as well.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975455]Zombies don't have a choice either but I still bash their brains in in games. [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] The novelty of the plasmids wore off quick, and what's different about the gunplay exactly? felt like stranded shooter fare to me.[/QUOTE] A.Zombies are infected witha virus they didn't choose to have, so yes I feel sympathy. I also know killing them pulls them out of their plight. B.You obviously did not experiment with the plasmids.

[QUOTE=Swilly;27975444]And that brings up my next point, even if a game isn't fun to me, I pause to see what they did differently. If there was any difference, and sitting there not paying attention because you aren't having fun is foolish. You learn nothing and you're probably missing parts that would be fun to you because you aren't paying attention.[/QUOTE] I went into it wanting to like is, as everyone said it was great, and I walked away after playing for two days thinking "Wow, this was a really boring shooter" [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] And I did pay attention to the details, I didn't like that game even with them.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975532]I went into it wanting to like is, as everyone said it was great, and I walked away after playing for two days thinking "Wow, this was a really boring shooter" [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] And I did pay attention to the details, I didn't like that game even with them.[/QUOTE] ....you like the Fallout games, correct? If so, did you like the dark humor?

[QUOTE=Swilly;27975572]....you like the Fallout games, correct? If so, did you like the dark humor?[/QUOTE] I love the fallout games, I've played all of them.

[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975532]I went into it wanting to like is, as everyone said it was great, and I walked away after playing for two days thinking "Wow, this was a really boring shooter" [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] And I did pay attention to the details, I didn't like that game even with them.[/QUOTE] Okay, so obviously did not like the game. But don't sit there and say it does nothing new. I didn't like Dues Ex, but I know it did stuff new. [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;27975590]I love the fallout games, I've played all of them.[/QUOTE] And did you notice the dark humor in Bioshock?

I think that older games are a lot better than todays games because the game designers were making them out of their love for games. They didn't get a lot of money. They put their heart and soul into games and came out with amazing ideas. Now days this doesn't apply to most games, it is all for money, hate to use common examples but CoD and Guitar Hero, rarely changing the formula and keeping with the same old just to make millions. Thats my two cents.

[QUOTE=Swilly;27975616]And did you notice the dark humor in Bioshock?[/QUOTE] There was dark humor in Bioshock? where? No really, I don't know what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=Over-Run;27975650]I think that older games are a lot better than todays games because the game designers were making them out of their love for games. They didn't get a lot of money. They put their heart and soul into games and came out with amazing ideas. Now days this doesn't apply to most games, it is all for money, hate to use common examples but CoD and Guitar Hero, rarely changing the formula and keeping with the same old just to make millions. Thats my two cents.[/QUOTE] .... Killingfloor Darwinia Little Big Planet 1 & 2 Uncharted Resistance Ratchet and Clank Sly Cooper inFamous World in Conflict Civilization I-V Every fucking game by Valve Killzone Any of the games by Relic Mod Nation Racers Every game by Epic Entertainment

The Beatles.. Hnnnggg