Quit Fussing Over Casual Gaming. - Games

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;28126748]:eng101: I'm pretty sure you meant relaxed, relatively simple games, though.[/QUOTE] norbainer means that you don't use your brain. I don't know about you but I don't use my brain (much) when I play games like Painkiller.

While I agree in general, I think the industry, as a whole, needs to move forward. Games are evolving. They are no longer the typical 90s stereotypes of being 'useless wastes of time,' but they are now reaching the stage of being able to provide experiences, as deep and meaningful as any book or movie. Games like Half-Life 2 are proof of this. The problem is, developers are simply not willing to take the risk.

I don't hate casual games, I just don't want PC gaming to die the painful and ashaming death RTs games died, and I think the popularity of casual games on consoles contribute to this, at least a bit.

i like casual gaming i prefer not to get mad if i lose so i lose a lot but i don't care

I used to be one of those "pr0" guys. When I was 14. 4 years later, I find competitive gaming to be the biggest bullshit in videogame history that continues to ruin the masses. Everyone starts going all "MLG or gtfo" among other things and go nuts when you do the slightest misscalculation in a situation during a raid or an important part of an online game. If I lose or someone fucks up with me, I just "meh" out of the game. I'll most likely get bored before that happens anyway.

Increased casual gamers = greater market share = more shit.

If its a good casual game like Kirbys Epic Yarn, or even a version of Tetris for instance, then its fine. But if its 3rd party shovelware specifically made to make the console seem appealing to women or little kids, then its going to rub off badly on everyone and make the worst sales.

[QUOTE=TrouserDemon;28117097]I enjoy competitive RTS gaming, playing to win. Casual gaming is eating into that. Name a proper competitive RTS that's come out since StarCraft 2? Something with a solid e-sports community. The rush to be accessible and easy for the newly gaming soccer mom/popular kids gaming market is pushing harder stuff out. And what there is is way too often dumbed down. Look at what happened to SupCom 2. The fine Total Annihilation pedigree watered down to that. That is what casual gaming has done.[/QUOTE] Just because a person likes casual gaming does not mean they are the 12 year old children of soccer moms.

[QUOTE=TrouserDemon;28126144]I think the difference is that I play RTS games not for fun, but to win. I play them until they stop being at all fun to play, but I have a net gain in enjoyment from winning the majority of the time. Some newer RTS games are dropping leaderboards, no longer showing the number of losses. They are removing competition. I don't think of it as hardcore gaming, so much as competitive gaming, and that is being hurt by the casual "everyone's a winner!" market.[/QUOTE] how is that removing competition at all all that is removing is dumb e-penis bullshit for aspies, and they are probably removing it because it is not worth their time to implement, not because of "casual gamers" because the last time I checked, every game in those RTSes still ends [b]with a winner and a loser!!![/b]

Then there's this thing called a 'draw'.

You mentioned infinity ward and treyarch but not blizzard. Infinity ward fucked over the PC community and treyarch didn't fix shit for black ops and lets not get started on cod3.

[QUOTE=mrcsb;28130383]how is that removing competition at all all that is removing is dumb e-penis bullshit for aspies, and they are probably removing it because it is not worth their time to implement, not because of "casual gamers" because the last time I checked, every game in those RTSes still ends [b]with a winner and a loser!!![/b][/QUOTE] Okay, let's see what you did wrong in this post, and improve next time! A. Comparing the opposing debate team to some suffering Asperges Syndrome, you fucking schizo. B. Saying that a feature that is in former versions of the game is "Not worth their time to implement." C. Putting [b]random things in bold with exclamation marks!!![/b] D. Rating yourself winner. E(dit). [sp]Hope you realize this post is self-demonstrating, or a truly feel sorry for you[/sp]

[QUOTE=Numidium;28128719]I don't hate casual games, I just don't want PC gaming to die the painful and ashaming death RTs games died, and I think the popularity of casual games on consoles contribute to this, at least a bit.[/QUOTE] Do you even know what starcraft 2 is ? If so then I really don't see why "death of RTS" makes sense. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=mrcsb;28130383]how is that removing competition at all all that is removing is dumb e-penis bullshit for aspies, and they are probably removing it because it is not worth their time to implement, not because of "casual gamers" because the last time I checked, every game in those RTSes still ends [b]with a winner and a loser!!![/b][/QUOTE] RTS games can go to a draw actually.

the only time i care about winning is when i play with my friends irl in the same room because i can gloat about it i could care less online because no one cares and i don't either really, hardcore gamers kind of annoy me about being perfect in a game or how they have to tell other people "u suck at this" and when they do lose they rage about it

I'm fine with casual games as long as my favorite game series won't "dumb" their game down to make it more accessible for a greater audiance. Although I'm a fan of complicated 4X games and manager. Sometimes I like shooters, like Red Orchestra. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=dass;28129768]I used to be one of those "pr0" guys. When I was 14. 4 years later, I find competitive gaming to be the biggest bullshit in videogame history that continues to ruin the masses. Everyone starts going all "MLG or gtfo" among other things and go nuts when you do the slightest misscalculation in a situation during a raid or an important part of an online game. If I lose or someone fucks up with me, I just "meh" out of the game. I'll most likely get bored before that happens anyway.[/QUOTE] I throughoutly agree with you. The "Pro" shit is for total idiots, although I sometimes like competitive gaming but more as a fun for myself. Games are meant to be fun and not an overly idiotic competition about being cool.

[QUOTE=junker|154;28131122]I'm fine with casual games as long as my favorite game series won't "dumb" their game down to make it more accessible for a greater audiance. Although I'm a fan of complicated 4X games and manager. Sometimes I like shooters, like Red Orchestra.[/QUOTE] I feel ya bruddah, but that's the problem, really. How long can we expect smaller companies to produce quality games when the dumber, simpler -and arguably prettier- games mean actual profit? Hell, how can we expect the bigger companies to take a risk with stuff that is nowadays considered more of a niche market?

I'm no casual gamer, but the truly Hardcore players piss me off. Y'know, the "BF2 No Vehicles on Strike at Karkand" guys, the "SSBM Final Destination with no item drops" guys, the guys who use programs and calculations to catch the perfect Pokemon, the guys who separate characters in fighting games into separate tiers and demand everyone play the same character on a bland map "to be fair". In other words, the "Stop Having Fun" Guys. Games are meant for our entertainment (read: for [I]fun[/I]), not so we can obsessively strive to make the top 5 on the worldwide leaderboards (Although any game with a leaderboard probably has that as a [I]secondary[/I] goal). If you play a game online just for the sake of being number one, you take the fun out of gaming not just for you but for the people you're playing with, because it's not as easy to shrug off that recent loss when some hardcore jerkoff is screaming in your ear for breaking his winning streak. It's a fucking game, whatever rank you lost in that match you can easily gain back the next one. Chill. It's people like those that are the reason I stopped playing Online Multiplayer games.

The only thing I hate about it is that Nintendo have practically welded themselves to the "NOTHING BUT FAMILY FRIENDLY FUN" image, meaning they don't release many maturer games. I'd love it if they had new Rogue Squadron games or Battle Tanks games. I want to love the Wii but I just can't, thanks to all the Minigame collections.

[QUOTE=GravijaCrux;28131215]I feel ya bruddah, but that's the problem, really. How long can we expect smaller companies to produce quality games when the dumber, simpler -and arguably prettier- games mean actual profit? Hell, how can we expect the bigger companies to take a risk with stuff that is nowadays considered more of a niche market?[/QUOTE] Although a thing that I don't get is how big producers try to take minimal risk and rely on older mechanics and generic games to keep up the sales compared to smaller studios who still manage to produce quality games without getting as much sales but still be competitive.

Small producers don't have as much to lose. ... and the smaller companies actually LIKE video games.

Yeah, but considering that the audiance is much smaller, these developpers are in need of more money than the big ones. Good quality games increase the sales and gives the devs a good name, instead of those dumbed down games. So devs should focus on producing great games.

Is Mario a casual series or a hardcore series? It can bust your balls sometimes.

[QUOTE=Funky Pickle;28132108]Is Mario a casual series or a hardcore series? It can bust your balls sometimes.[/QUOTE] mario is pretty hardcore i mean he drops bowser into lava

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;28120447]Well you do know that you can only be a hardcore gamer if you live in your mother's basement, have no job, are 7 years out of community college with your crappy computer science degree and subsist on rockstar and lunchables.[/QUOTE] *computer science certificate [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TraderRager;28121821]My problem isn't with the casual gamers, or the games themselves. I rather enjoy PvsZ, and it's easy to get addicted to Bejeweled. The problem is that casual games are made to cash in on them, and games become more simplified and less engaging over time to make them more accessible to them. Any chance the Wii, iPhone, or DS being consoles with non-first party games that catered to the taste I and other "Hardcore" (I hate using that word) gamers. If iRE4 is anything to go buy, the iPhone really has the potential.[/QUOTE] You do know that they're most likely going to be less supportive to the iPhone once the NGP and the 3DS comes out. That happened to the PSP. Electronic Arts and Activision used to show interest in them, but they went on to support the next-gen consoles, the PC platform, and the DS.

[QUOTE=TraderRager;28130460]Okay, let's see what you did wrong in this post, and improve next time! A. Comparing the opposing debate team to some suffering Asperges Syndrome, you fucking schizo. B. Saying that a feature that is in former versions of the game is "Not worth their time to implement." C. Putting [b]random things in bold with exclamation marks!!![/b] D. Rating yourself winner. E(dit). [sp]Hope you realize this post is self-demonstrating, or a truly feel sorry for you[/sp][/QUOTE] Okay, let's see what you did wrong in this post, and improve next time! A. you didn't answer my question!!! how is that removing competition, at all also if Epic Game has a feature that took time to implement and nobody used it, I'm pretty sure there are better things to spend resources on for Epic Game II [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Wheeze201;28130507]RTS games can go to a draw actually.[/QUOTE] right, just like real-life games like soccer and hockey, but nobody complains about those now do they a "draw" is not a "win", so I really don't see how that causes "everyone's a winner" syndrome, but keep using hyperbole [b]O.K.[/b]

[QUOTE=IplayAspy;28119600]It's not that I hate casual games, I just dislike how many companies create sequels when it ends up being the same thing with "extra features".[/QUOTE] That is what a sequel is!

No, a sequel is a game that is different but is building on the same thing. If it's the same but with a few extra features, it's a p bad sequel.

[QUOTE=TraderRager;28121697]Farmville. Mass Effect 2. [b]EDIT:[/b] NOT THE SAME THING.[/QUOTE] One is an online facebook game, the other is a sci fi epic, so yes you're right, they aren't the same thing. but if you would ACTUALLY READ you see he wasn't saying anything like that. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=GravijaCrux;28126568]It looks like everyone here has a different idea of what the term "casual" means. To me, it's [B]Deus Ex 3 [/B]compared to Deus Ex 1. It's [B]Diablo 3[/B] versus Diablo 2. UT3 and UT2k4. It's dumbing games down till there's only a 3 hour linear path to take, loaded with OMGGRAPHIX cutscenes and with Hans Zimmer somewhere in between. I'm all for "playing games for fun", but when games are so easy and basically a carbon copy of Call of Warcraft: Gears of Halo... there's just no fun to be had. ...and for all it's worth, the "Hardcore" term is ridiculous too.[/QUOTE] You're judging games that AREN'T OUT YET.

[QUOTE=Wheeze201;28130507]Do you even know what starcraft 2 is ? If so then I really don't see why "death of RTS" makes sense. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [/QUOTE] Can you name any major RTS release that got ANY media attention except Starcraft 2? I can't. And I play Starcraft 2. So yea, I know what it is. And yea, it may have an active community. But that's a 12 year old franchise reincarnated to boost some money and satisfy koreans. The last mainstream RTS release I can remember was Dawn of War 2, and that attention died before the release. One game doesn't revive the genre. I mean, look at 2011's big releases. Its all either shooters or RPGs, what have we got, Bulletstorm, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, Mass Effect 3, Skyrim. I can name more, but you get my point.

[QUOTE=Numidium;28137468]Can you name any major RTS release that got ANY media attention except Starcraft 2? I can't. And I play Starcraft 2. So yea, I know what it is. And yea, it may have an active community. But that's a 12 year old franchise reincarnated to boost some money and satisfy koreans. The last mainstream RTS release I can remember was Dawn of War 2, and that attention died before the release. One game doesn't revive the genre. I mean, look at 2011's big releases. Its all either shooters or RPGs, what have we got, Bulletstorm, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, Mass Effect 3, Skyrim. I can name more, but you get my point.[/QUOTE] I don't understand the enjoyment behind RTS games. I've played a few and had quite a lot of fun but it took me about an hour to get bored of it and never want to play it again. The reason shooters are so popular is because the gameplay is much more fast paced. RTS requires strategy, skill, and patience, and let's face it, some people really lack those three and just want something that they can pick up and just start playing.