Quit Fussing Over Casual Gaming. - Games

A simple game is going to lack in quality. Well, to a specific group. The more things you add, less people will enjoy the game (as they won't enjoy the changes, lowering their fun-score, if not making it negative), but the people who do like the game will praise the additions. It's a clash of quantity and quality.

It's not killing the indusrty, it's changing it. And not in a good way.

[QUOTE=SoaringScout;28138037]I don't understand the enjoyment behind RTS games. I've played a few and had quite a lot of fun but it took me about an hour to get bored of it and never want to play it again. The reason shooters are so popular is because the gameplay is much more fast paced. RTS requires strategy, skill, and patience, and let's face it, some people really lack those three and just want something that they can pick up and just start playing.[/QUOTE] Actually RTS games require skill in micromanagement and correct build orders moreso than any understanding in military strategy, operational art, or tactics. Somehow RTS guys who regularly play Starcraft and Company of Heroes for example find all that really fascinating which a grognard like me don't find fun at all. [QUOTE=TrouserDemon;28126144]I think the difference is that I play RTS games not for fun, but to win. I play them until they stop being at all fun to play, but I have a net gain in enjoyment from winning the majority of the time. Some newer RTS games are dropping leaderboards, no longer showing the number of losses. They are removing competition. I don't think of it as hardcore gaming, so much as competitive gaming, and that is being hurt by the casual "everyone's a winner!" market.[/QUOTE] Interestingly much of what you advocate from what I've experienced turned World in Conflict's playerbase into a small population of 4-star rank players in permament serious business mode, most of the time hostile to anyone else, and bemoaning over how WiC's glory days were when some e-sport event picked it up back in early 2008. Hardcore/serious business competitive mindsets can also hurt a game as well.

[QUOTE=junker|154;28131265]Although a thing that I don't get is how big producers try to take minimal risk and rely on older mechanics and generic games to keep up the sales compared to smaller studios who still manage to produce quality games without getting as much sales but still be competitive.[/QUOTE] They're not worried about losing money, they're worried they wont make as large a profit. Look at GTA4, one of the most expensive games ever made. It cost $10 million to make, but if they sold 1 million copies they've already made a $40-50 million profit, minus labeling, shipping, licensing and retail cost, but that still leaves them with a huge profit. And most AAA games expect to break 1 million sales easily, It's only games which fail spectacularly which end up losing money *cough*TonyHawk'sShred*cough*.

The "hardcore" gamers are the funniest people to play with. Noob Tube = Troll Tube.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;28125798]People need to stop bitching about the ways other people are having fun and just accept it. Some people prefer super-competitive Counter-Strike/Starcraft/etc. games, others prefer nobrainer games, some prefer Minesweeper and Zuma.[/QUOTE] Your post reminded me of this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQTUydYTQOI[/media]

Well first of all [QUOTE=SoaringScout;28116727] Edit 2: Casual gaming refers to completely simple games that appeal to all audiences, or at least most. Call of Duty does not count.[/QUOTE] I'm calling bullshit on that, it does so fucking count. Don't cop out like that. Also how about the hardcore gamers stop fussing about the casual gamers and vice versa, this has ironically turned into a hardcore gamer hate thread and it is painfully stupid.

[QUOTE=s0beit;28141417]Well first of all I'm calling bullshit on that, it does so fucking count. Don't cop out like that. Also how about the hardcore gamers stop fussing about the casual gamers and vice versa, this has ironically turned into a hardcore gamer hate thread and it is painfully stupid.[/QUOTE] It's not bullshit. Casual games usually NEVER have online mutliplayer. No matter how "pro" you think you are, Call of Duty isn't completely simple and can't be picked up and played easily by everyone. For a game to be labeled as "casual" it needs to be easy for anyone to play. It takes time to get used to FPS games. Casual games, as I said 1000000 times, can be picked up by anyone and played with challenge only coming from the players who are playing with them.

[QUOTE=Numidium;28137468]Can you name any major RTS release that got ANY media attention except Starcraft 2? I can't. And I play Starcraft 2. So yea, I know what it is. And yea, it may have an active community. But that's a 12 year old franchise reincarnated to boost some money and satisfy koreans. The last mainstream RTS release I can remember was Dawn of War 2, and that attention died before the release. One game doesn't revive the genre. I mean, look at 2011's big releases. Its all either shooters or RPGs, what have we got, Bulletstorm, Crysis 2, Killzone 3, Mass Effect 3, Skyrim. I can name more, but you get my point.[/QUOTE] Dawn of War Codename Panzers Halo Wars (lol barely an rts but w/e) Red alert 2 and 3 CnC 4 and more.

"lol shat up OP you casufag lol"

[QUOTE=SoaringScout;28141533]It's not bullshit. Casual games usually NEVER have online mutliplayer. No matter how "pro" you think you are, Call of Duty isn't completely simple and can't be picked up and played easily by everyone. For a game to be labeled as "casual" it needs to be easy for anyone to play. It takes time to get used to FPS games. Casual games, as I said 1000000 times, can be picked up by anyone and played with challenge only coming from the players who are playing with them.[/QUOTE] Did you just call Call of Duty challenging? ha

[QUOTE=SoaringScout;28116727]Not only do the casual games found on the Wii bring families together and provide great entertainment for party, but they are also healthy ways to play games. They get the players up and moving, and WiiFit is a good way to lose weight, but no the best however.[/QUOTE] You sound like you're advertising for Nintendo.

I love casual games, as much as I love any other games. I just play them for fun. I enjoy ArmA 2, Starcraft 2 and Hearts of Iron just as much as I enjoy Call of Duty: Black Ops, Halo 3 and The Sims 3. I also have a wii and playing New Super Mario Bros or Mario Kart Wii with some friends is an awesome experience. Laughs and giggles all the time.

[QUOTE=NikLAWL;28138798]The "hardcore" gamers are the funniest people to play with. Noob Tube = Troll Tube.[/QUOTE] BF: BC2 is funnier. "OMG AMIN HE SHOT CG @ INF KICK NAO!!!!!11" because it totally doesn't say in the weapon description that it is a anti-infantry weapon, that DICE themselves nerfed to hell and back to stop people whining. Shit, they call you out for spamming if you fire any RPG weapon in their general direction. [QUOTE=s0beit;28142985]Did you just call Call of Duty challenging? ha[/QUOTE] Because a game has to be uber-realistic or have hundreds of possibilities to provide a challenge :downs: You are playing against real people, who are much, much harder to predict and retaliate to than a computer. There is a challenge in every online multi-player no matter how simple you think it is, as you are playing against a human. The competitive industry is more game killing than the casual industry. I deem games like PvZ and Peggle as casual as that is what they are advertised as, quicky games for people who don't care too much. They provide fairly new ideas on a regular basis sometimes. No matter how much you hate it, the Wii has been a innovation machine this generation, it got us using out bodies as a control scheme, and most games on that console are shovelware, yes, but they encouraged us to try these control schemes out. Now Sony, Mincrosoft and some more PC oriented developers (Novint for example) are following suit. Whereas the "competitive" industry is stuck. Playing the same games, requesting the same features. Trying its hardest to stay as still as possible in terms of progress as the playerbase is full of self-righteous goons who think anything that they don't play is awful. The main gaming industry is learning from both sides, making changes to make the games more accessible to newer players (UT, Quake, etc aren't like this, new players have no chance at all of having fun thanks to the "stop having fun" guys who take it too seriously). While keeping features that their players have enjoyed (CoD kept the levelling and prestige system as the players like it for example. The gun play itself has barely changed either).

[QUOTE=s0beit;28142985]Did you just call Call of Duty challenging? ha[/QUOTE] I can name at least 50 people who would find it challenging and none of them are mentally retarded. Yes, it's challenging. You aren't going to pick up the controller and end up just getting headshots all the time and flying right through the campaign.

[QUOTE=mrcsb;28135293]Okay, let's see what you did wrong in this post, and improve next time! A. you didn't answer my question!!! how is that removing competition, at all also if Epic Game has a feature that took time to implement and nobody used it, I'm pretty sure there are better things to spend resources on for Epic Game II [/quote] A. You are still rating yourself winner. B. The POINT is that it shows what percentage of games you have won. Who cares if you have win 100 games if you have lost 150? It's just like any sport, football, basketball, baseball, etc. You need to know both the win's and losses to keep the community competitive, or else the people on top of the leader-board will be the person playing 24/7, not the skilled people who earner their place. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;28145272]BF: BC2 is funnier. "OMG AMIN HE SHOT CG @ INF KICK NAO!!!!!11" because it totally doesn't say in the weapon description that it is a anti-infantry weapon, that DICE themselves nerfed to hell and back to stop people whining. Shit, they call you out for spamming if you fire any RPG weapon in their general direction. [/QUOTE] That's the bigger problem for "Hardcore" (SUCH A STUPID WORD) gamers, I agree. Putting in 74ctiCo0L features to impress 8 year olds, and the gameplay suffers for it. Look at the nuke and most other high-level killstreaks from MW2 for a perfect example. You know what game I want?

I don't really care or mind casual gaming anyway.

Quit fussing over people fussing over casual gaming.

I love casual games and whatnot, especially the stuff PopCap puts out. What I don't like though is how the casual game market is doing to the industry. A lot of good games are being simplified and changed around to appeal more to the common person, and things like Kinect are just bullshit excuses to make a shitton of money. Then there's the shit they put into games to appeal to the CoD generation, who only want flashy new shit and a bunch of stupidly unbalanced guns. There's a balance that needs to be struck, because some people will never buy anything even remotely complex and some others are the same way with casual games.

[QUOTE=SoaringScout;28138037]I don't understand the enjoyment behind RTS games. I've played a few and had quite a lot of fun but it took me about an hour to get bored of it and never want to play it again. The reason shooters are so popular is because the gameplay is much more fast paced. RTS requires strategy, skill, and patience, and let's face it, some people really lack those three and just want something that they can pick up and just start playing.[/QUOTE] Patience ? Have you ever played starcraft 2 on a competitive level ? It's fucking intense. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=s0beit;28142985]Did you just call Call of Duty challenging? ha[/QUOTE] It's challenging to stay in a server for more then 5minutes without quitting because you got killed 10 times for some noskill killstreak.

sold my wii so I could play games on my PC (put the money in so I could play l4d and garry's mod on high settings) but hell wii golf was some good shit and the boxing, plus mario kart wii was amazing

I don't have any problem with casual game/rs, just with everything getting dumbed down so more people can play it. See, in a gaming magazine here they wrote that R.U.S.E. sucks, because it's to slow. That's what I hate. Not every game has to be "20 min action everywhere with big explosions and epic music blasting". But since that is what most people want, most developer go for that. Real shame. I mean, sure, sometimes playing a game like Call of Duty where you instantly get into action is fun, but sometimes I want to play something with a learning curve, that not every dork with :downs: can understand, so I have an actual challenge, and feel like I achieved something after I won my first game after 20 tries. But some people don't, and that's fine, too. I just dislike that every game nowadays is made that way. Just my 2 Pfennig

Name one game that was dumbed down and don't say Call of Duty because it's gameplay has been the same since Call of Duty 2.

While minecraft could be considered casual I would say the people who play iot are way more hardcore then the call of duty players.

I love how if you word things right, you get agreement on facepunch. Theres this thread, and theres threads that basically say: lets go back to hardcore competitive gaming, both get agrees like crazy. Seems like reason appeals, no matter on which side of any argument. [editline]20th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SoaringScout;28151522]Name one game that was dumbed down and don't say Call of Duty because it's gameplay has been the same since Call of Duty 2.[/QUOTE] Thief: Deadly Shadows. Oblivion [editline]20th February 2011[/editline] Another sad thing is seeing real innovation like Kinect being wasted for casual audiences.

The only thing I dislike about casual gaming is how people mix up being accessible and being casual.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;28145272]I deem games like PvZ and Peggle as casual as that is what they are advertised as, quicky games for people who don't care too much.[/QUOTE] When I played Peggle Deluxe, for some god forsaken reason I got really into it, I can't say I made a tier list for the powerups, but if anything I ended up treating it more seriously than Counter Strike, or Killing Floor or what have you. I became a true hardcore Peggler.

When I had some friends over at my house to play Borderlands Splitscreen, we took a break, I played Peggel Deluxe, and the others watched for like 10 minutes. Best laugh ever had. It's like watching Dungeons and Dragons, its so ridiculous its awesome.