[QUOTE=Doom14;37498765]Did you not grab the 105mm from the ARL 44? Use that until you get the long 90. :v:[/QUOTE]
The 90mm F3 is better than the 105, better accuracy, rof and pen.
i love this thing sO MUCH FUCK
[t]http://puu.sh/114j6[/t]
[t]http://puu.sh/114jc[/t]
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37498621]I am actually considering not getting the best 85mm because for some fucking reason it costs 15.5k exp for crap tier 6 while whole SU-100 costs 26k and the tier 7 100mm on it costs 16.5k.
[editline]1st September 2012[/editline]
I mean, WTF, stug at the same level pays for it's l/70 4600 exp
[editline]1st September 2012[/editline]
which is a better gun[/QUOTE]
Playing the SU-100 without the 85mm BM (the good one) would be pretty hard as you'd be stuck with the shit stock 85mm gun from the SU-85. Which means you'd have to get 16k Free XP to unlock the 100mm or suffer with a really shitty gun on a Tier 6 until you managed to get the 100mm. I realized this would be shit even with the better 85mm so I saved up ~7000 free XP to get the 100mm faster. Gotta have that pen and damage.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37481967][IMG]http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Images/1-Vehicles/03-Heavy_Tanks/E-100%282%29/p1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Images/1-Vehicles/03-Heavy_Tanks/E-100%282%29/p2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Images/1-Vehicles/03-Heavy_Tanks/E-100%282%29/p3.jpg[/IMG]
[h2]AMEN[/h2]
This is what they should do to balance E-100. Stylize it like E-50M in the sexy slightly fictional late-endwar style, give it augmented 128, and make it rock shit.[/QUOTE]
Late reply but I was banned so yeah
In my opinion they should replace the E-100's 150 with a 170 with like 245~250 pen, and give the JT 128 or 150 to the Maus instead. I went up the E-100 line for a high damage gun, and if they replaced it with something that doesn't do nearly as much, I would be pretty upset honestly.
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;37499422]Late reply but I was banned so yeah
In my opinion they should replace the E-100's 150 with a 170 with like 245~250 pen, and give the JT 128 or 150 to the Maus instead. I went up the E-100 line for a high damage gun, and if they replaced it with something that doesn't do nearly as much, I would be pretty upset honestly.[/QUOTE]
What about the JP E-100?
Do you want them to give it a fucking 21cm :v:
Also I made a .gif comparing E-100 and Obj. 268 barrel lengths:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Q24E8.png[/img]
Tell me how or why the 268 gets almost 70 more pen? The barrel is shorter, and it doesn't fire APCR afaik. I've searched everywhere for IRL stats on the M64 but it looks like it's a made up gun.
[QUOTE=ze beaver;37499457]What about the JP E-100?
Do you want them to give it a fucking 21cm :v:[/QUOTE]
Nah just give it SturmTiger's 380mm and that'll be fair
[QUOTE=ze beaver;37499457]What about the JP E-100?
Do you want them to give it a fucking 21cm :v:[/QUOTE]
No, that's fine as it is. What I'm getting at is that if WG won't buff E-100 and Maus armor to be actually useful, give us a gun then that can actually do shit before we die.
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;37499481]Also I made a .gif comparing E-100 and Obj. 268 barrel lengths:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Q24E8.png[/IMG]
Tell me how or why the 268 gets almost 70 more pen? The barrel is shorter, and it doesn't fire APCR afaik. I've searched everywhere for IRL stats on the M64 but it looks like it's a made up gun.[/QUOTE]
Im not sure but think 268 penetration value actually comes from APCR but it isn't classified as APCR in the game because it would be overpowered (all APCR ingame has increased normalization)
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;37499481]Also I made a .gif comparing E-100 and Obj. 268 barrel lengths:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Q24E8.png[/img]
Tell me how or why the 268 gets almost 70 more pen? The barrel is shorter, and it doesn't fire APCR afaik. I've searched everywhere for IRL stats on the M64 but it looks like it's a made up gun.[/QUOTE]
The M64 isn't a made up gun, but its stats are made up.
It was meant to replace the ML-20S which means its main ammunition would have been HE and HEAT.
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;37499481]Also I made a .gif comparing E-100 and Obj. 268 barrel lengths:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Q24E8.png[/img]
Tell me how or why the 268 gets almost 70 more pen? The barrel is shorter, and it doesn't fire APCR afaik. I've searched everywhere for IRL stats on the M64 but it looks like it's a made up gun.[/QUOTE]
"Be realistic when I want it to"
"Don't be realistic when I say so"
WoT balance in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37499614]Im not sure but think 268 penetration value actually comes from APCR but it isn't classified as APCR in the game because it would be overpowered (all APCR ingame has increased normalization)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ze beaver;37499661]The M64 isn't a made up gun, but its stats are made up.
It was meant to replace the ML-20S which means its main ammunition would have been HE and HEAT.[/QUOTE]
Explain to me how that's fair at all? Can we let the E-100 just fire non-gold HEAT too?
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;37499693]Explain to me how that's fair at all? Can we let the E-100 just fire non-gold HEAT too?[/QUOTE]
[h2]because the e-100 is a heavy tank and the obj268 is a fucking tank destroyer[/h2]
[editline]1st September 2012[/editline]
what was that about tank destroyers deserving to be big scary instakillers
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;37499481]Also I made a .gif comparing E-100 and Obj. 268 barrel lengths:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/Q24E8.png[/img]
Tell me how or why the 268 gets almost 70 more pen? The barrel is shorter, and it doesn't fire APCR afaik. I've searched everywhere for IRL stats on the M64 but it looks like it's a made up gun.[/QUOTE]
In game object 268 isn't scaled right, I wouldn't even base gun length on WoT tank models. Also M-64 is a real gun made specially for obj 268, wargaming probably pulled up that penetration data by themselves.
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;37499422]Late reply but I was banned so yeah
In my opinion they should replace the E-100's 150 with a 170 with like 245~250 pen, and give the JT 128 or 150 to the Maus instead. I went up the E-100 line for a high damage gun, and if they replaced it with something that doesn't do nearly as much, I would be pretty upset honestly.[/QUOTE]
But the E-100 is a potentially sexy heavy with a sexy Henschelturm and a sexy augmented 128mm. There's nothing sexy about the Maus.
[editline]yes[/editline]
Also, German heavies have always been about accuracy and DPM until they added the 15 cm gun on the E-100.
[QUOTE=DTKT;37497011]I'm currently using the XVM target markers mod. It's great but I seem to remember another one where the HP bar would flash silver when a tank is hit? It looks a bit more nice than the plain red bar.
Anyone know that mod?[/QUOTE]
Anyone? :|
[QUOTE=Apache249;37499927]sexy Henschelturm[/QUOTE]
I think the E-100 deserves a buff but to me the Henschelturm looks as horrible as it is unrealistic.
It's a modeler's wet dream, nothing more.
[SP]I can already feel the disagrees coming[/SP]
[QUOTE=ze beaver;37500344]I think the E-100 deserves a buff but to me the Henschelturm looks as horrible as it is unrealistic.
It's a modeler's wet dream, nothing more.
[SP]I can already feel the disagrees coming[/SP][/QUOTE]
How can you say it looks horrible?
[editline]1st September 2012[/editline]
It may be a modeler's wet dream, but we still have things like the E-50M which is just a Neo-Soviet drunkard's wet dream.
[QUOTE=Apache249;37500356]How can you say it looks horrible?[/QUOTE]
It's something with the fact it looks like the Tiger II's Henschel turret broke up with the hull, took upon itself to eat gallons of ice cream and finally made up with KT's ugly cousin, E-100.
I don't really like those napkin tanks, the E-100 hull the British found had the same turret ring as the Maus. Simplifying production was what the German were looking for at this time, giving it a turret for which the tools were made would make a lot more sense than making an entirely new turret for the sake of looking like an earlier tank.
[editline]1st September 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Apache249;37500356]
It may be a modeler's wet dream, but we still have things like the E-50M which is just a Neo-Soviet drunkard's wet dream.[/QUOTE]
More like their half-arsed attempt at making a T10 that somewhat fits the line.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;37499706][h2]because the e-100 is a heavy tank and the obj268 is a fucking tank destroyer[/h2]
[editline]1st September 2012[/editline]
what was that about tank destroyers deserving to be big scary instakillers[/QUOTE]
That's true. But 235 pen at T10 is nowhere near adequate, I don't give a single fuck about how much damage you do. If you [i]can't pen[/i] then you [i]can't do damage anyway.[/i]
[sub][sub]P.S. if you thought I was serious about the HEAT remark you should get your sarcasm detectors fixed[/sub][/sub]
[QUOTE=ze beaver;37500418]More like their half-arsed attempt at making a T10 that somewhat fits the line.[/QUOTE]
Quarter-assed.
And the 150's pen is gonna be even [i]worse[/i] in 8.0 with the normalization change.
[editline]1st September 2012[/editline]
Apache I hate you
[QUOTE=ze beaver;37500418]It's something with the fact it looks like the Tiger II's Henschel turret broke up with the hull, took upon itself to eat gallons of ice cream and finally made up with KT's ugly cousin, E-100.
I don't really like those napkin tanks, the E-100 hull the British found had the same turret ring as the Maus. Simplifying production was what the German were looking for at this time, giving it a turret for which the tools were made would make a lot more sense than making an entirely new turret for the sake of looking like an earlier tank.
[editline]1st September 2012[/editline]
More like their half-arsed attempt at making a T10 that somewhat fits the line.[/QUOTE]
Not sure if you don't remember but E-100 actually DID have Mausturm as stock turret when it was tested in open beta.
For some retarded reason they removed it.
Late to the party, but barrel length is not everything with ammo penetration.
There's still the barrel type (internally and functionally), the amount of propellent and the shell weight.
[QUOTE=Doom14;37501479]Late to the party, but barrel length is not everything with ammo penetration.
There's still the barrel type (internally and functionally), the amount of propellent and the shell weight.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, those big 15cm shells probably had a low propellant to projectile ratio compared to the 268's gun.
Eh, the reloading speed of the best cannon on the AMX M4 is almost the same as on ARL 44.
And my crew is at 95%, the fuck is this.
Anyways it's a pretty fun tank, a french Tiger, essentially.
[QUOTE=Calkkuna;37501803]Eh, the reloading speed of the best cannon on the AMX M4 is almost the same as on ARL 44.
And my crew is at 95%, the fuck is this.
Anyways it's a pretty fun tank, a french Tiger, essentially.[/QUOTE]
except the whole being penetrated by Tier 4 tanks things.
[QUOTE=MadCatMkII;37500722]That's true. But 235 pen at T10 is nowhere near adequate, I don't give a single fuck about how much damage you do. If you [i]can't pen[/i] then you [i]can't do damage anyway.[/i]
[sub][sub]P.S. if you thought I was serious about the HEAT remark you should get your sarcasm detectors fixed[/sub][/sub][/QUOTE]
It's a fucking brick with a gun that has high potential and low penetration. It's better at being an armored brick than any other tank in the game. The IS-7 is penetrated by tier 7s and casually dicked by artillery every match. In fact, it's the same story for every Tier 10 in the game BESIDES the E-100 and Maus. Stop crying about having too much armor. You chose the wrong tree. Tough luck.
[editline]1st September 2012[/editline]
WG themselves admitted it is a tank made essentially for clan wars, where not only is strategy > XP gain (gained by shooting things), but HEAT ammo is also more viable.
oak as apposed to spruce
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37500898]Not sure if you don't remember but E-100 actually DID have Mausturm as stock turret when it was tested in open beta.
For some retarded reason they removed it.[/QUOTE]
Yes I remember.
That's the turret it should have, not this police bar bullcrap they have right now.
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