World of Tanks - SIEMA PL?

[CabooseRvB]

Anybody know how the 'scouting' is calculated into your earnings?

[Ogopogo]

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;37529242]Anybody know how the 'scouting' is calculated into your earnings?[/QUOTE]

[url=http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Battle_Mechanics#Experience_and_Credits]Yup[/url]

[quote]Light tanks receive a bonus [i](xp)[/i] for critical damage inflicted to heavy tanks.[/quote] I didn't know that.

[Awesomecaek]

[QUOTE=C0MMUNIZT;37527854]We've already established that awesomecaek, mbbird and scout1 arn't man enough to admit they are wrong(ever), might aswell move along and let them live in their dream worlds.[/QUOTE]

I guess only way of discussing something here is snide remarks and personal attacks, but I still went through it and did some actual maths and bring an actual evidence for my statements.

Problem is that all tier 10 guns sans 2 use HEAT as premium ammo instead of APCR, but at least, here's data for the two who do, compared to others - IS-7 130mm to E-100's 150mm and T110E4 155mm (same gun as T110E3) compared to JpzE100's 170mm.

Wiki says simply that Normalization is 8 degrees, according to Orkel's source it varies. I will just go by what wiki says and assume the normalization is indeed 8 degrees.

The blue line is always the APCR, the red line is the HEAT one.

0 degrees would assume straight on hit, 90 degrees would mean shell going in parallel with the pate.

Please ignore that the APCR values have lower penetration and the beginning and that it goes up for a while - that's because of my simplified normalization implementation which would imply that if the angle is lower than 8, it's actually angling to the other side, and that isn't a thing. It has it's nominal value at straight on angle.

Here goes IS-7 vs E-100

[IMG]http://sinus.cz/%7Emilan/IS-7APCRvsE-100HEAT.png[/IMG]

Here goes the T110E3 vs JpzE100

[IMG]http://sinus.cz/%7Emilan/T110E4-3vsJpzE100.png[/IMG]

As you can see, in case of IS-7 vs E-100, the APCR overtakes HEAT in penetration value at about 38 degrees and from there on has higher penetration than HEAT.

In case of T110E4 vs JpzE-100, the APCR overtakes HEAT in penetration value at about 43 degrees of angle, and from there on has higher penetration than HEAT.

You might point out that APCR has penetration drop at ranges, but that's barely drastic enough at high tier guns - IS-7 APCR having like 12% penetration drop at max range of 720 meters.

Meanwhile APCR shells travel faster than HEAT shells, so they are easier to hit with - virtually more accurate.

Another thing is that high caliber APCR can overrule if it hits a plate while being 2x or 3x the caliber of it's thickness, increasing it's Normalization further, more with each multiply. You might think that's not important, but then you realize for example IS-4 has roof with 30mm armor, and that even 105mm overrules it 3x and thus has massive boost in normalization, while HEAT gets bare nothing.

[editline]4th September 2012[/editline]

I am going to bed, meanwhile you can ~get on my level~

[Nigademus]

That's some heavy duty turbonerding. What's this graphs and shit?

[CabooseRvB]

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;37529293][url=http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Battle_Mechanics#Experience_and_Credits]Yup[/url]

I didn't know that.[/QUOTE]

oo, it's like tank salaries.

[BBarnes005]

[video=youtube;XfZnTagzQRg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfZnTagzQRg[/video]

Posted in the GMOD Section by it's creator.

[karbine]

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37524133][B]Please change gold ammo to, "APCR has extra penetration and less damage" and "HEAT has less penetration but deals extra damage"[/B], all buyable with extra credits.[/QUOTE]
HEAT has an even smaller penetrator than APCR, so no, it would only provide HE damage (which does fuck all at the moment.)

[Archival]

so, ive always wanted to get into the american heavy line, but having to deal with that god awful m3 lee always put me off, figured I could get through it fast with the x5 xp

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XkfPh.jpg[/IMG]

I was wrong

[ze beaver]

[QUOTE=archival;37529668]so, ive always wanted to get into the american heavy line, but having to deal with that god awful m3 lee always put me off, figured I could get through it fast with the x5 xp

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XkfPh.jpg[/IMG]

I was wrong[/QUOTE]

The pain is well worth it considering how fucking amazing all the tanks it leads to are.

The only other painful tank in the line is the T1H, the M6 should be much easier with the new matchmaking (90mm M3 doesn't sound too bad in a T8 match).

Then again, you should skip the T1H with the M4A3E2 since it also allows you to get into the medium line straight to the T20, though you won't know about the M4A3E8's amazingness.

[Zero-Point]

[QUOTE=Bbarnes005;37529606][video=youtube;XfZnTagzQRg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfZnTagzQRg[/video]

Posted in the GMOD Section by it's creator.[/QUOTE]

This one is also relevant:
[video=youtube;tJ0udJTF3-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ0udJTF3-g&feature=player_embedded[/video]

[CabooseRvB]

Is anyone noticing on US TD cannons that shots go into the fucking sky?

[W0w00t]

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;37530313]Is anyone noticing on US TD cannons that shots go into the fucking sky?[/QUOTE]

you'd think american guns are somewhat accurate but they really aren't because [img]http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/6945/9200dice.jpg[/img]

[Ordo]

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;37530313]Is anyone noticing on US TD cannons that shots go into the fucking sky?[/QUOTE]

I didn't really have issues with the US TD guns till the 105mm on the T25. I don't know why but I couldn't do much with it.

[Zero-Point]

999
The TRUE number of the beast.

[BBarnes005]

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;37530209]This one is also relevant:
[video=youtube;tJ0udJTF3-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ0udJTF3-g&feature=player_embedded[/video][/QUOTE]

Made by the same guy and I also posted it on a earlier version of this thread.

[scout1]

[quote]Victory!
Battle: Sand River Monday, September 03, 2012 9:09:25 PM
Vehicle: PzKpfw VIB Tiger II
Experience received: 10,950 (x5 for the first victory each day)
Credits received: 59,503
Battle Achievements: Bölter's Medal, Top Gun[/quote]

Why can't I hold all this 5x exp

[Saza]

I SWEAR TO GOD SOMEONE IS BEHIND THE MATCHMAKER MAKING ME GET PROKHOROVKA ASSAULT

EVERY

SINGLE

FUCKING

GAME

AS

ATTACKER

STOP THAT RIGHT NOW DAMMIT CAN'T YOU SEE I'M TRYING TO WIN FOR ONCE

[cccino]

Attack is alright when your team isn't completely retarded. I know it becomes optional in 8.0 but I hope it's disabled by default - that way only people that know how to play it will be playing it. If it's opt-out instead of opt-in I think I'll avoid it.

[Saza]

Wow, the one time I actually win I died in the first minute thanks to Wargaming Quality Mapmaking and get a 1,5k x5.

holy shit it's like the many fucking theories we made about x5 and hell were true

[Wehraboo]

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;37530313]Is anyone noticing on US TD cannons that shots go into the fucking sky?[/QUOTE]

Wait until you get the 155mm...that thing just loves dirt.

[Gufu]

I finally unlocked IS. Now to grind 1.4 million credits to get it. All hail 5x XP!

You know, it's weird, but I got accustomed to KV-1S, when I started playing it like a German tank rather than Soviet Steel. Just stay back behind things and shoot the enemy once in a while for massive damage. Repeat as long as there are teammates to spare.

[Snek]

[QUOTE=gufu;37531739]I finally unlocked IS. Now to grind 1.4 million credits to get it. All hail 5x XP!

You know, it's weird, but I got accustomed to KV-1S, when I started playing it like a German tank rather than Soviet Steel. Just stay back behind things and shoot the enemy once in a while for massive damage. Repeat as long as there are teammates to spare.[/QUOTE]

Be prepared to change. IS2 with D25T plays more like a massive, slower M4A3E8 that dishes out fucktons of damage.

[W0w00t]

[QUOTE=fishyfish777;37531944]Be prepared to change. IS2 with D25T plays more like a massive, slower M4A3E8 that dishes out fucktons of damage.[/QUOTE]
so nothing like the easy eight

[Valdor]

i'm probably late to the party but what the fuck is wrong with french arty and why is it so overpowered?

i got the t6 and most of my matches are 3-5 kills since the damn thing can't miss and it reloads so fast
not to mention it seems to love oneshotting any tank destroyers or medium tanks regardless of where it hits

[editline]3rd September 2012[/editline]

i feel terrible for being part of the arty problem, but this tank is too much fun

[Pocket Medic]

[QUOTE=Orkel;37523268]New special on EU, lasting for 1 week
[img]http://worldoftanks.eu/dcont/fb/news/big_title/prototype_week_684.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

Oh my shit why
three specials
5x xp, us tech focus and now this

all while i'm on a lappy that can't run wot

[B]WARGAMIIIIIIIING[/B]

[cccino]

[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;37532398]all while i'm on a lappy that can't run wot[/QUOTE]

Did you try the low-quality mods I mentioned yesterday?

[Pocket Medic]

[QUOTE=cccino;37532427]Did you try the low-quality mods I mentioned yesterday?[/QUOTE]

Oooooh, I didn't see that post earlier. You're officially promoted to super sergeant man face hero 1st class, you've earned it.

[karbine]

oh my god the V39's stock gun

WHY

it's worse than the amx40's gun

68 pen and HE is useless aaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;-;

[Pocket Medic]

[t]http://puu.sh/11Svl[/t]

this is gonna be a looooooong week

[editline]beans[/editline]

[t]http://puu.sh/11SvW[/t]

[I]yeeeeah, yeah yeah~[/I]

[Gufu]

Mother of god, it's like Quake 2 graphics in watercolor.