Half way to getting my beloved T95.
I can taste that 19km/h already
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;37664805]Half way to getting my beloved T95.
I can taste that 19km/h already[/QUOTE]
12.
Is the MAX.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;37664805]Half way to getting my beloved T95.
I can taste that 19km/h already[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=scout1;37664955]12.
Is the MAX.[/QUOTE]
13, actually :v:
[QUOTE=scout1;37664955]12.
Is the MAX.[/QUOTE]
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Mine never goes above 12
Not even downhil....
not even once
So Im having a debate with a friend about how to say T-50-2
I say "Tee fifty dash two" and he says "Tee fifty two"
How do you guys say it?
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;37665479]So Im having a debate with a friend about how to say T-50-2
I say "Tee fifty dash two" and he says "Tee fifty two"
How do you guys say it?[/QUOTE]
"dash two" is my preference.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;37665033]13, actually :v:[/QUOTE]
And it will often go 4-8kph. Unless downhill. :v:
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;37665479]So Im having a debate with a friend about how to say T-50-2
I say "Tee fifty dash two" and he says "Tee fifty two"
How do you guys say it?[/QUOTE]
Motorcycle
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;37665479]So Im having a debate with a friend about how to say T-50-2
I say "Tee fifty dash two" and he says "Tee fifty two"
How do you guys say it?[/QUOTE]
tree fiddy too
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;37665479]So Im having a debate with a friend about how to say T-50-2
I say "Tee fifty dash two" and he says "Tee fifty two"
How do you guys say it?[/QUOTE]
there's no tank called the three fifty two already so it works fine
the other one is longer anyway so why bother
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;37665479]So Im having a debate with a friend about how to say T-50-2
I say "Tee fifty dash two" and he says "Tee fifty two"
How do you guys say it?[/QUOTE]
tank cops
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37662867]It's not like there can be much debate about it: with a few exceptions, German tanks are largely crap, and keep getting worse due to a mix of power creep and nerfs.[/QUOTE]
It's not that I don't agree that they are in need of some work, its more the idea that the devs hate the Germans and subsequently nerf their tanks. From what I see, its largely a combination of power creep and world war II tanks and prototypes going up against cold war tanks. I'm really interested to see how their second medium line fares.
[editline]14th September 2012[/editline]
Like these for instance, in regards to someone questioning whether the JPE-100's shell velocity has been increased.
[quote]Can't get in, busy. I am sure it is some bug and will most certainly not transfer to live. [/quote]
[quote]Do you honestly think they would improve the JPE and bring that improvement to live servers? Come on. It is the last place TD, and will remain so by at least 3%, if not 5%. Mark my words. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;37666812]It's not that I don't agree that they are in need of some work, its more the idea that the devs hate the Germans and subsequently nerf their tanks. From what I see, its largely a combination of power creep and world war II tanks and prototypes going up against cold war tanks. I'm really interested to see how their second medium line fares.[/QUOTE]
There Leopard will pretty much be based solely on speed, though its amazing most people on the forum dont actually know the first generation of Leopards had no armor to speak of and seeing the L7 is already quite accurate (On the M48) Its pretty much may be the "shoot and scoot" kind of sniper...or just generally an annoying speed freak.
[editline]15th September 2012[/editline]
As well as DB tanks werent good for a certain reason, I think the new medium line will be rather hard and painful to grind
[QUOTE=O'Neil;37666879]There Leopard will pretty much be based solely on speed, though its amazing most people on the forum dont actually know the first generation of Leopards had no armor to speak of and seeing the L7 is already quite accurate (On the M48) Its pretty much may be the "shoot and scoot" kind of sniper...or just generally an annoying speed freak.
[/QUOTE]
It's not as bad as you may think.
[quote]Turret: 180-190
Mantle: 230
Glacis:140
Lower front hull: 120[/quote]
Though the sides are in fact paper.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;37666812]It's not that I don't agree that they are in need of some work, its more the idea that the devs hate the Germans and subsequently nerf their tanks. From what I see, its largely a combination of power creep and world war II tanks and prototypes going up against cold war tanks. I'm really interested to see how their second medium line fares.
[editline]14th September 2012[/editline]
Like these for instance, in regards to someone questioning whether the JPE-100's shell velocity has been increased.[/QUOTE]
Ah ok, I see where you're going with this. That said, both SerB and another dev (was it Storm?) have voiced their opinions on both the German people and their tanks. Things like ignoring IRL German penetration tests while acknowledging Russian ones, saying things done IRL by the Germans were lies or exaggerations while other nation's napkin tanks are just assumed to have operated at the listed specifications, etc. all show a bias in at least some of the dev team (though I seriously doubt many of the others hold such a grudge).
There is enough evidence to make the theory plausible. The stats show many german tanks are underperforming. Are the two things related? I honestly don't know, but it's not much of a stretch to think so.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;37667005]It's not as bad as you may think.
Though the sides are in fact paper.[/QUOTE]
Eh this is what I found :
Glacis: 30 / 84° and 70 / 60°
Lower Hull: 50 / 50°
Hull Sides: 45 / 40°
Gun mask: 100
Turret sides: 60 / 30°
I couldn't find any values for turret front, also the gunmask is well angled so it might be 200+mm effective
Your values might be for later Leopard 1 variants.
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;37667099]Ah ok, I see where you're going with this. That said, both SerB and another dev (was it Storm?) have voiced their opinions on both the German people and their tanks. Things like ignoring IRL German penetration tests while acknowledging Russian ones, saying things done IRL by the Germans were lies or exaggerations while other nation's napkin tanks are just assumed to have operated at the listed specifications, etc. all show a bias in at least some of the dev team (though I seriously doubt many of the others hold such a grudge).
There is enough evidence to make the theory plausible. The stats show many german tanks are underperforming. Are the two things related? I honestly don't know, but it's not much of a stretch to think so.[/QUOTE]
Serb, quite frankly, is the least professional game developer I have ever seen. The number of times he has made idiotic comments about anything from ancestor killers to their gun penetration stats, coupled when anyone questioned his choices, he all but said to fuck off. Of course that is going to make the devs seem like they hate German tanks. In reality, like the dev who loves his maus, most don't have anything against them in the slightest.
As for the penetration, I remember a long time ago that one of the developers said something about what made for a penetration. I think they said that the German numbers were for if 50% of the shot penetrated, but he did admit that the numbers in game, even taking that into account, were too low.
To me, the L/70 penetration buff, is a pretty big deal. Although it is said that the Pz4 was too powerful with the L/70, and therefore removed freeing it up for a buff, others have said that the opposite is true: the gun was buffed, and therefore too powerful for the Pz4, something which strikes me as odd for one of the oldest guns in game. The devs admitted that player complaints with the turret did play some part though.
They buffed the L70 to make the Panther M10 'Ersatz' more appealing to the masses that only get tanks based on how "good" they are instead of being historically or otherwise interested in the said tank.
The numbers I used were LOS, but yes they may have been for a later mark like the M1A1. That being said, they may not be.
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;37667187]Eh this is what I found :
Glacis: 30 / 84° and 70 / 60°
[b]287mm or auto-bounce and 140mm[/b]
Lower Hull: 50 / 50°
[B]78mm[/B]
Hull Sides: 45 / 40°
[B]58mm+possibility of skirts[/B]
Gun mask: 100
Turret sides: 60 / 30°
[b]69mm[/b]
I couldn't find any values for turret front, also the gunmask is well angled so it might be 200+mm effective
Your values might be for later Leopard 1 variants.[/QUOTE]
Another thing to think of too, is while it was lightly armored for its time, it came out only a year before the chieftain did, so lightly armored should be taken with a grain of salt.
for a moment I actually thought the Panther M10 was that panther or panther like tank with the upside down turret :v:
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;37667435]The numbers I used were LOS, but yes they may have been for a later mark like the [B]M1A1[/B].[/quote]
You you probably mean Leopard1A1 (could be later models like A2 or A3). Well considering AP normalisation (as others stated earlier) these values will drop a little.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;37667435]The numbers I used were LOS, but yes they may have been for a later mark like the M1A1. That being said, they may not be.
Another thing to think of too, is while it was lightly armored for its time, it came out only a year before the chieftain did, so lightly armored should be taken with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]
So you're telling me this Leopard has more effective armor than my M48, while being much faster and packing the same gun?
And now WG is gonna had the T95Ewhatever, it's almost like all my tanks are obsolete the moment I get them.
Back to the note of the L/70 for a minute, after doing some searching, I can see where some problems arise. [url=http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/75-mm.asp]Take this site for instance[/url], a good source which has multiple penetration numbers for each range, and links them to a source.
Now look at the 75mm L/70 firing Pzgr 39 ammo. At armor slanted 30 degrees back, at 100m, it could penetrate 138mm. But yet, look at the next row. Instead of just one number, there are three. For armor sloped at 30 degrees at 500m, the numbers say it could penetrate 119mm, 121mm or 141mm, a rather large difference.
I never really understand what you guys are talking about all the time but i keep reading this hopefully I acknowledge in time to wat it means.
I beat a jpe100 head on in my e100.
"Omg get skill noob."
[QUOTE=ze beaver;37667552]So you're telling me this Leopard has more effective armor than my M48, while being much faster and packing the same gun?
And now WG is gonna had the T95Ewhatever, it's almost like all my tanks are obsolete the moment I get them.[/QUOTE]
It may have more effective armor, but slope does play a large role, and then there is artillery. There is a chance that the tank will be OP when they introduce it. For once, the German tree will not be playing catch up.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qGiFX.jpg[/IMG]
I never noticed how much the T95 looks like the M48 and T-54/55 had a baby.
It looks good too.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;37667613]There is a chance that the tank will be OP when they introduce it. For once, the German tree will not be playing catch up.[/QUOTE]
Most optimistic post of the week
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