[QUOTE=Blackwheel;28036653]Even if the ratio was 10 pirated copies = 1 sold copy, piracy still had a huge affect on the sale figures of Crysis.
Answer me these two simple questions:
1) Why did they make Crysis a PC exclusive?
2) Why is it that they can make more money on console platforms?[/QUOTE]
1) Because Crytek had always been developing exclusively for the computer, until this game
2) More audience = more money
Plus there was no way Crysis 1 could run on consoles.
[editline]13th February 2011[/editline]
Oh, and I forgot to mention--consoles are practically designed to take in DLC.
Honestly, I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore, could you please restate what you find wrong with the petition?
1) We agree here Joe, they did that because the PC platform was more than a generation ahead of the consoles when they were developing Crysis.
2) And I also agree here. Consoles can be more profitable in the short-run because there are more console gamers out there.
Even though consoles may show a bigger profit for a particular title, the PC platform allows for the possibility of a dedicated community to form, and that community provides for long-term financial income that is greater than the increased profits of one release on consoles.
[QUOTE=Blackwheel;28037105]Honestly, I'm not even sure what we're arguing about anymore, could you please restate what you find wrong with the petition?
1) We agree here Joe, they did that because the PC platform was more than a generation ahead of the consoles when they were developing Crysis.
2) And I also agree here. Consoles can be more profitable in the short-run because there are more console gamers out there.
Even though consoles may show a bigger profit for a particular title, the PC platform allows for the possibility of a dedicated community to form, and that community [b]provides for long-term financial income that is greater than the increased profits of one release on consoles.[/b][/QUOTE]
Source please. Please also tell me why you can't have a dedicated player community on console games (see: the Call of Duty and Halo franchises).
The problem with the petition is that not only is it useless, but it also mischaracterizes the problem. Crytek is not going to ditch the PC platform because of some perceived "disloyalty" that we must make up for. They will do it because the money is in the consoles.
[QUOTE=JoeSibilant;28037167]Source please. Please also tell me why you can't have a dedicated player community on console games (see: the Call of Duty and Halo franchises).
The problem with the petition is that not only is it useless, but it also mischaracterizes the problem. Crytek is not going to ditch the PC platform because of some perceived "disloyalty" that we must make up for. They will do it because the money is in the consoles.[/QUOTE]
Have you noticed that the Halo and Call of Duty franchises are beginning to die off now? If you look at the big picture, how long did those two truly last as opposed to say a series like Half Life or Deus Ex?
And if the money is on consoles, why is Valve so profitable? Truth is, long term-financial success is NOT on the consoles, it is on PC.
In conclusion, the PC gaming platform is both more powerful and profitable than the console platforms. The only reason why Crytek has switched to multi-platform is because we did not support their efforts.
This petition is meant to demonstrate that we PC gamers can and will support a franchise despite the financial downsides/risks of the platform's open nature.
[QUOTE=Blackwheel;28037317]Have you noticed that the Halo and Call of Duty franchises are beginning to die off now? If you look at the big picture, how long did those two truly last as opposed to say a series like Half Life or Deus Ex?[/quote]
Those two franchises are "dying off" (CoD maybe, Halo not so much) because they've released close to 10 iterations each, compared to the Crysis franchise, which has released...3 (if you count Warhead).
[quote]And if the money is on consoles, why is Valve so profitable?[/quote]
Because of Steam. Also, because they don't do the asinine, finger-pointing "it's the pirates" shit that Crytek is doing right now.
[quote]This petition is meant to demonstrate that we PC gamers will support a franchise despite the financial downsides/risks of the platform's open nature.[/QUOTE]
Get real. As a consumer you are not affected by either of those things.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;28031450] The original Crysis is easily one of the [b]most innovative[/b] and [b]well-designed shooters[/b] I've played, and I think Crytek is a great developer.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha.
[QUOTE=Blackwheel;28030769]I consider a pirate to be someone who downloads this leaked build, enjoys the hell out of it, [b]AND[/b] never purchases the finished product.[/QUOTE]
You know the leaked version is glitchy as shit and only runs in DX9, right? That completely ruins the point of the game, to be the video game equivalent of James Cameron's Avatar.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;28032198]Wow, it's quite sad that I'm the 18th person to sign it :I[/QUOTE]
He had to reset the petition because the previous one only allowed FB members to sign
[QUOTE=JoeSibilant;28037410]Those two franchises are "dying off" (CoD maybe, Halo not so much) because they've released close to 10 iterations each, compared to the Crysis franchise, which has released...3 (if you count Warhead).
Because of Steam. Also, because they don't do the asinine, finger-pointing "it's the pirates" shit that Crytek is doing right now.
Get real. As a consumer you are not affected by either of those things.[/QUOTE]
Dude, I'm really getting impatient, you are just not making any sense WHATSOEVER. You are pretty much offering up evidence that makes my own argument a stronger one. And here is why:
"CoD maybe, Halo not so much" ?????!!!! Please, they are both dieing, the quality has dropped severely and so is the console player's positive perception of those titles. PC franchises are quality over quantity.
So? Steam is part of the PC platform. Want an example of a non-steam success? Blizzard.
Actually as a consumer I am INDIRECTLY affected. The developers are DIRECTLY affected, and that in turn, results in less games for the PC platform.
Honestly? Fuck you. You've continued to just say "you don't make sense' without offering any salient counterpoints. You've said tons of things that are either unverifiable or verifiably untrue and called that "evidence" of your point.
Your petition will accomplish nothing, and I don't need to convince you of anything for that to be true. So declare victory, do what you want. But I'm done here.
[QUOTE=JoeSibilant;28037675]Honestly? Fuck you. You've continued to just say "you don't make sense' without offering any salient counterpoints. You've said tons of things that are either unverifiable or verifiably untrue and called that "evidence" of your point.
Your petition will accomplish nothing, and I don't need to convince you of anything for that to be true. So declare victory, do what you want. But I'm done here.[/QUOTE]
No, fuck you dude. I have provided a great deal of reasoning that supports my own argument. What have you provided? You keep asking for sources, yet provide none yourself. Meanwhile, you just keep firing off one liners.
My points, in summary:
- Long-term financial success in on PC
[highlight][b]MY EVIDENCE[/highlight] Living Examples: Valve, Blizzard, Creative Assembly[/b]
- Crytek is not playing "favorites" with the consoles, it's just that we fucked them over in the short-term to the extent that they coudn't sustain themselves long enough on the PC platform to build a community.
[highlight][b]MY EVIDENCE[/highlight] [url]http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52457[/url][/b]
Those who rate disagree, speak your mind and deliver your own argument instead of hiding behind a red X.
Maybe this petition won't make a difference at all, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to send out a positive truth about the PC platform.
And if absolutely nothing comes of this, then that truly is unfortunate because we had a good developer in Crytek.
[img]http://software.intel.com/sites/billboard/game-gallery/crysis/images/crysis-island.jpg?1255460404[/img]
[QUOTE=LF9000;28031572]Oh no a social networking site
lets be irrational and hate it because I have no friends[/QUOTE]
ftfy
[QUOTE=Odellus;28030648]Except the pirates didn't do anything, it was leaked internally.
Like someone else said, it's like dropping money all over the streets and expecting people not to pick it up.[/QUOTE]
Oh shit looks like someone at EA uploaded Crysis 2 to my computer without my knowledge or consent.
I'm innocent, really!
[QUOTE=Blackwheel;28037711]My points, in summary:
- Long-term financial success in on PC
[highlight][b]MY EVIDENCE[/highlight] Living Examples: Valve, Blizzard, Creative Assembly[/b]
- Crytek is not playing "favorites" with the consoles, it's just that we fucked them over in the short-term to the extent that they coudn't sustain themselves long enough on the PC platform to build a community.
[highlight][b]MY EVIDENCE[/highlight] [url]http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52457[/url][/b]
Those who rate disagree, speak your mind and deliver your own argument instead of hiding behind a red X.
Maybe this petition won't make a difference at all, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to send out a positive truth about the PC platform.
And if absolutely nothing comes of this, then that truly is unfortunate because we had a good developer in Crytek.
[img_thumb]http://software.intel.com/sites/billboard/game-gallery/crysis/images/crysis-island.jpg?1255460404[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Um you're totally wrong. Long term financial success on the PC?
Valve -> Has crippling DRM which people do not bitch and moan about.
Blizzard -> Doesn't have that much success. Hence bought by another company. Their MAIN reason they didn't go out of business was that if you didn't pay your monthly bill you didn't get access to their servers.
Creative Assembly? How many people strong are they? Oh wait they were bought too...
Why the fuck would a Dev Beta even need a fucking EULA?
[QUOTE=suppertime;28039546]Um you're totally wrong. Long term financial success on the PC?
Valve -> Has crippling DRM which people do not bitch and moan about.
Blizzard -> Doesn't have that much success. Hence bought by another company. Their MAIN reason they didn't go out of business was that if you didn't pay your monthly bill you didn't get access to their servers.
Creative Assembly? How many people strong are they? Oh wait they were bought too...[/QUOTE]
Wait a second.
Valve has crippling DRM? Since when?
And Blizzard not that successful? World of Warcraft [B]alone[/B] brings in $800,000,000 every single year (excluding costs to keep the servers running).
Honestly, you've lost me.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;28039924]Wait a second.
Valve has crippling DRM? Since when? [/QUOTE]
As much as I hate to admit it, since it's such a fantastic service, steam is pretty much that. The recent TF2 drama has proven that valve can easily take an account worth hundreds of dollars away from you without batting an eyelid.
I'm actually glad the game got pirated. I didn't think they deserved any money for Crysis 1, and I don't think they deserve it for Crysis 2. They are everything that's wrong with the gaming market today.
This is all personal opinion, of course.
Also, Blackwheel, you can't argue worth jack. You lost, and then you kept on insisting you won. You never even presented one coherent argument.
[QUOTE=Achilles123;28040142]I'm actually glad the game got pirated. I didn't think they deserved any money for Crysis 1, and I don't think they deserve it for Crysis 2. They are everything that's wrong with the gaming market today.
This is all personal opinion, of course.
Also, Blackwheel, you can't argue worth jack. You lost, and then you kept on insisting you won. You never even presented one coherent argument.[/QUOTE]
what's wrong with them
[QUOTE=Nathax;28040239]what's wrong with them[/QUOTE]
They release games specifically targeting the twelve and thirteen year olds who care nothing about story and little about gameplay, and then package up what could have been a really good game, but with half the stuff that could've missing.
[QUOTE=Achilles123;28040142]I'm actually glad the game got pirated. I didn't think they deserved any money for Crysis 1, and I don't think they deserve it for Crysis 2. They are everything that's wrong with the gaming market today.
This is all personal opinion, of course.
Also, Blackwheel, you can't argue worth jack. You lost, and then you kept on insisting you won. You never even presented one coherent argument.[/QUOTE]
Since I'm curious, what could a company possibly do to where they would deserve no payment for years of hard work and dedication?
[editline]14th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Achilles123;28040294]They release games specifically targeting the twelve and thirteen year olds who care nothing about story and little about gameplay, and then package up what could have been a really good game, but with half the stuff that could've missing.[/QUOTE]
Some of these posts, this one included is starting to make me wonder something...I'm a huge shooter fan and Crysis easily has some of the best gameplay I've seen in a shooter, ever.
Am I seeing something that almost nobody else is? Because all I hear about Crysis is "Great graphics, terrible gameplay." Well, save for the reviewers, they praised the gameplay as well.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;28040306]Since I'm curious, what could a company possibly do to where they would deserve no payment for years of hard work and dedication?[/QUOTE]
Blizzard doesn't make that much money per year from WoW after everything is said and done (ie all their staff is paid + all that bullshit) so saying "$800,000,000" per year is just ignorant.
But yeah saying that Crytek doesn't deserve money for Crysis is complete bullshit. At least it's not a fucking CoD clone.
FarCry was the shit and innovated a lot as far as AI is concerned.
[QUOTE=Achilles123;28040142]I'm actually glad the game got pirated. I didn't think they deserved any money for Crysis 1, and I don't think they deserve it for Crysis 2. They are everything that's wrong with the gaming market today.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Achilles123;28040294]They release games specifically targeting the twelve and thirteen year olds who care nothing about story and little about gameplay, and then package up what could have been a really good game, but with half the stuff that could've missing.[/QUOTE]
Sounds much more like Call of Duty than Crysis to me. I loved Crysis 1. The story itself was mediocre admittedly, but I loved the gameplay and found little generic about it. The Nanosuit really spiced things up. I honestly can't see why you hate Crytek so much to the point of saying they deserve this because your reasoning just isn't clicking with me. If you didn't like the game that's fine, but to the point of this is exaggeration. I respect your opinion, exaggeration or not regardless.
Also, signed.
[QUOTE=suppertime;28040353]Blizzard doesn't make that much money per year from WoW after everything is said and done (ie all their staff is paid + all that bullshit) so saying "$800,000,000" per year is just ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I did say "excluding costs to keep the server running."
I'm aware it's not all net profit, but they do make a lot of revenue on WoW and their other titles.
Game development is a business, in which to make money. They need money to fund projects and to pay staff/bills. This is very simple stuff which some of you are forgetting, instead using words such as "loyalty". In the current state of things, a developer will CERTAINLY sell more on various platforms instead of sticking to the one. The cost of Crysis 1, both with the development of the game and CryEngine 2 was a profit, but just barely.
These companies don't really owe you anything, don't care for such petty things as loyalty especially when one of their biggest projects is also one of the most pirated ever.
Not singing the petition, but I am buying Crysis 2 as I always maintained to since I learned it was coming out ages ago. Demo was great on the 360.
[QUOTE=Yotrig;28040356]Sounds much more like Call of Duty than Crysis to me. I loved Crysis 1. The story itself was mediocre admittedly, but I loved the gameplay and found little generic about it. The Nanosuit really spiced things up. I honestly can't see why you hate Crytek so much to the point of saying they deserve this because your reasoning just isn't clicking with me. If you didn't like the game that's fine, but to the point of this is exaggeration.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, just personal opinion. I know a lot of you people disagree with me, and I'm sure a lot of you have more valid reasons than I do.
I just think a game like that encourages other developers to do the same, and to start ignoring important parts of games.
Crytek moved mainly to consoles simply because it's too large of a community to pass up. A lot of it was probably based on their publisher EA. But Crytek did an excellent job developing and optimizing Cryengine. I think their major goal was to build the engine, release a game to showcase it, then gain the likes of other developers.
It's obvious, Crysis 1 has to this day remained a benchmark for performance. Much like Quake 3 was back in the day. Look at how many games used that engine. Also take into consideration that to this day Call of Duty still uses code from that engine.
I am not taking sides in this matter (PC vs Consoles). I just think some people jumping to conclusions need to see both sides. I absolutely adore PC games. But i play consoles from time to time. (and don't mind it)
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