Gears of War Megathread V1: I'm coughing up blood that ain't even mine! - Games

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;32319897][url]http://www.destructoid.com/cliffy-b-upset-by-hateful-8-10-gears-of-war-3-reviews-211562.phtml[/url] lol[/QUOTE] He's only angry because the same critics (i'm assuming they're the same) rated gears 2 HIGHER than gears 3 which makes no sense because gears 3 is obviously better in terms of gameplay, looks, and story.

As much as he's made a good game he's still a dick.

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;32320497]He's only angry because the same critics (i'm assuming they're the same) rated gears 2 HIGHER than gears 3 which makes no sense because gears 3 is obviously better in terms of gameplay, looks, and story.[/QUOTE] He does make a good point there, though. But its still a bit dickish.

I've only played small sections of GoW (and I THINK GoW 2). I wanted to get into it but I just didn't have the money for the games and it's something that never really presented itself to me at opportune times so I've just kind of watched from the sidelines. I've been seeing a lot of trailers for GoW 3 lately and I'm 100% convinced that Marcus and Co. are gonna end up dying by the end of it

[QUOTE=Skyward;32320774]He does make a good point there, though. But its still a bit dickish.[/QUOTE] I agree, he is being a bit of a dick but I understand what he's thinking.

[QUOTE=sltungle;32320802]I've only played small sections of GoW (and I THINK GoW 2). I wanted to get into it but I just didn't have the money for the games and it's something that never really presented itself to me at opportune times so I've just kind of watched from the sidelines. I've been seeing a lot of trailers for GoW 3 lately and I'm 100% convinced that Marcus and Co. are gonna end up dying by the end of it[/QUOTE] I'd give GoW 1 and 2 a playthrough, the story line isn't exactly a masterpiece but it's still fun and interesting [editline]16th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RainbowStalin;32319897][url]http://www.destructoid.com/cliffy-b-upset-by-hateful-8-10-gears-of-war-3-reviews-211562.phtml[/url] lol[/QUOTE] He's not exactly wrong to be honest, there are some critics out there that rate games way too harshly.

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;32319897][url]http://www.destructoid.com/cliffy-b-upset-by-hateful-8-10-gears-of-war-3-reviews-211562.phtml[/url] lol[/QUOTE] I can understand. I mean, this game has been in the making for quite a long time. Not exactly sure how long. But Gears 3 looks, fuck that, IS a major improvement over Gears 2. Giving it a lower score kinda annoyed me too. IMO, the people who type up articles like that always try to make people look like inconsiderate assholes who are spoiled. I agree with CB on this one. Rating Gears 3 lower than Gears 2 is pretty insulting.

He can be annoyed, but guys, come on. It's extremely rude of him to call people 'haters' for giving Gears 3 an 8/10. He shouldn't be showing dissatisfaction with perfectly good scores. He's not trying to make the point that Gears 3 is better than Gears 2. That's a point he's making, yes, but he's throwing a fit over it. It's one thing to express disbelief/annoyance and it's a completely different thing to insult people over it and say their opinions are wrong.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;32322762]He can be annoyed, but guys, come on. It's extremely rude of him to call people 'haters' for giving Gears 3 an 8/10. He shouldn't be showing dissatisfaction with perfectly good scores. He's not trying to make the point that Gears 3 is better than Gears 2. That's a point he's making, yes, but he's throwing a fit over it. It's one thing to express disbelief/annoyance and it's a completely different thing to insult people over it and say their opinions are wrong.[/QUOTE] I think most of us agree he's correct, but he's being an ass about it. Kinda preaching to converted.

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;32320497]He's only angry because the same critics (i'm assuming they're the same) rated gears 2 HIGHER than gears 3 which makes no sense because gears 3 is obviously better in terms of gameplay, looks, and story.[/QUOTE] That doesn't apply at all, Gears 2 came out 3 years ago. Times have changed.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;32322762]He can be annoyed, but guys, come on. It's extremely rude of him to call people 'haters' for giving Gears 3 an 8/10. He shouldn't be showing dissatisfaction with perfectly good scores. He's not trying to make the point that Gears 3 is better than Gears 2. That's a point he's making, yes, but he's throwing a fit over it. It's one thing to express disbelief/annoyance and it's a completely different thing to insult people over it and say their opinions are wrong.[/QUOTE] For a triple A title like gears 8/10 is not a good score.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32323025]For a triple A title like gears 8/10 is not a good score.[/QUOTE] For a grimdark shooter where the characters are burly men who scream at each other, 8/10 is a pretty good score. If reviewers were really as dismissive and hateful as he claims they would rail it a lot harder than they are just on the grounds of the premise. He's being a child and you know it.

I'd say 8/10 is exactly the right score for a game that has really fun multiplayer, but a thin story and non-existent characters. 9/10 and above should be reserved for games that truly break the boundaries of the medium, or at least come close to doing so.

[QUOTE=stepat201;32323143]I'd say 8/10 is exactly the right score for a game that has really fun multiplayer, but a thin story and non-existent characters. 9/10 and above should be reserved for games that truly break the boundaries of the medium, or at least come close to doing so.[/QUOTE] I dunno I kind of liked Gears of wars story, sure it wasn't exactly something thought provoking like bioshock or deus ex, but for a sci fi war shooter I thought it was fairly good.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32323431]I dunno I kind of liked Gears of wars story, sure it wasn't exactly something thought provoking like bioshock or deus ex, but for a sci fi war shooter I thought it was fairly good.[/QUOTE] Yea the story is good for the type of game this is, but it's still thin and doesn't do anything groundbreaking, so an 8/10 is totally just.

[QUOTE=stepat201;32323478]Yea the story is good for the type of game this is, but it's still thin and doesn't do anything groundbreaking, so an 8/10 is totally just.[/QUOTE] Neither was modern warfare 2 particularly (which had a much much worse story) and that managed to get 94/100 on metacritic

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32323536]Neither was modern warfare 2 particularly (which had a much much worse story) and that managed to get 94/100 on metacritic[/QUOTE] And that's the problem with game journalism.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32323536]Neither was modern warfare 2 particularly (which had a much much worse story) and that managed to get 94/100 on metacritic[/QUOTE] You just kind of proved his point. Clearly the games getting super high scores don't really deserve it.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;32323782]You just kind of proved his point. Clearly the games getting super high scores don't really deserve it.[/QUOTE] I generally tend to only buy games that get rated highly so it's a bit of a pain.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;32323025]For a triple A title like gears 8/10 is not a good score.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. I'm a gigantic fan of the Gears of War series, but a 8/10 score should be considered great by any standard. Since when is being in the top 20% a negative quality? The game is clearly above average, and Jim Sterling (Destructoid) made it clear that he thought the game was great, just flawed. While I completely understand CliffyB's frustration (Gears is essentially his child, after all), I can think of no valid reason to freak out over a reviewer's opinion, especially when it's presented so eloquently. Yeah, so many Jim Sterling is rating the game a little lower than most. That does not make his opinion any less valid than any of the reviewers giving the game 9s or 10s.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;32323857]Bullshit. I'm a gigantic fan of the Gears of War series, but a 8/10 score should be considered great by any standard. Since when is being in the top 20% a negative quality? The game is clearly above average, and Jim Sterling (Destructoid) made it clear that he thought the game was great, just flawed. While I completely understand CliffyB's frustration (Gears is essentially his child, after all), I can think of no valid reason to freak out over a reviewer's opinion, especially when it's presented so eloquently. Yeah, so many Jim Sterling is rating the game a little lower than most. That does not make his opinion any less valid than any of the reviewers giving the game 9s or 10s.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying I can understand why he's pissed,

[QUOTE=stepat201;32323143]I'd say 8/10 is exactly the right score for a game that has really fun multiplayer, but a thin story and non-existent characters. 9/10 and above should be reserved for games that truly break the boundaries of the medium, or at least come close to doing so.[/QUOTE] Quite opposite, actually. The story was very vivid. The characters had deep meaning, ie: Dom looking for his Wife, Carmine and his brothers, Marcus and his jail time, ect. I would definetly say Gears is known for it's amazing story mode. The multiplayer is tough to get used to. At least, for me it was. Multiplayer is still amazing, but calling the story thin is extremely understating it. In fact, if Gears 3 just came with the single player, I'd still buy it. But adding more to it makes it even more worth it. So, who else is excited to play as a goddamn berserker? I'm wondering if your screen will be black, and you have to rely on something else to "see", kind of like the real berserker in the campaign. That would be extremely cool, but extremely hard to play.

I think people tend to get a bit thrown off by the overly butch characters when it comes to the story and tend to assume it's all just macho men being macho

Gears never had an amazing story. It's basically walking down a narrow corridor and shooting everything that moves until you get a short cutscene of: -Dom moping -Baird whining -Marcus scowling and cursing -Some inexplicable event where something blows up allowing the team to move one, usually involving Cole, or comented upon by him Sure there were a few stand out moments like the Stranded camp in Gears 1 or the Sire facility in Gears 2 but it's mostly walking down a narrow, grey and brown corridor and shooting anything the game lets you shot at.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;32324306]Gears never had an amazing story. It's basically walking down a narrow corridor and shooting everything that moves until you get a short cutscene of: -Dom moping -Baird whining -Marcus scowling and cursing -Some inexplicable event where something blows up allowing the team to move one, usually involving Cole, or comented upon by him Sure there were a few stand out moments like the Stranded camp in Gears 1 or the Sire facility in Gears 2 but it's mostly walking down a norrow, grey and brown corridor and shooting anything the game lets you shot at.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say it was any worse than something like warhammer 40k

I never said it was a bad thing. Gears is more about big set pieces than intricate story.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;32324306]Gears never had an amazing story. It's basically walking down a narrow corridor and shooting everything that moves until you get a short cutscene of: -Dom moping -Baird whining -Marcus scowling and cursing -Some inexplicable event where something blows up allowing the team to move one, usually involving Cole, or comented upon by him Sure there were a few stand out moments like the Stranded camp in Gears 1 or the Sire facility in Gears 2 but it's mostly walking down a narrow, grey and brown corridor and shooting anything the game lets you shot at.[/QUOTE] That's not how I see it. Weird, the sire facility was like that. Walk down hallways, shoot anything that moves. I personally think Gears story is unique. That's the best feature of it. I mean, what other game lets you chainsaw through giant worms, then cutting your way out? None that I know of. I give you the moping/whining/cursing part, because that's what's best about the characters. I love Baird because of his constant sarcastic comments. And Marcus because he gets pissed off at everything. And Dom makes it seem like you're fighting for something more, makes me feel like I'm fighting to find his wife. IMO, gears if anything but generic or boring. New things happen at every turn. I'm also pretty sure in boring games you don't jack a Prison Transport Ship and use it to fight against another one, or take down a Corpser in a stolen Brumak.

Well like he said the story is more about the set pieces rather than it's actual storyline.

[QUOTE=PyroCraz3d;32324101]Quite opposite, actually. The story was very vivid. The characters had deep meaning, ie: Dom looking for his Wife, Carmine and his brothers, Marcus and his jail time, ect. I would definetly say Gears is known for it's amazing story mode. The multiplayer is tough to get used to. At least, for me it was. Multiplayer is still amazing, but calling the story thin is extremely understating it. In fact, if Gears 3 just came with the single player, I'd still buy it. But adding more to it makes it even more worth it. [/QUOTE] That's what the devs were saying about Gears 2 as well, but just having a story with characters isn't good enough, they have to be interesting to the point where the player cares. The thing with Dom's wife made it seem like the writers read a "Storytelling 101" book and went, "Oh, we've got to give the character a dramatic need, let's give him a wife out of the blue and make that his only character point.". It doesn't make the character any less one dimensional, in fact it amplifies his one dimensionality because you realize how silly it all is. The characters are as thinly done as anything from a B movie. They're all defined entirely by being huge and by one meaningless background point, such as "missing wife" or "prison time".

[QUOTE=stepat201;32325012]That's what the devs were saying about Gears 2 as well, but just having a story with characters isn't good enough, they have to be interesting to the point where the player cares. The thing with Dom's wife made it seem like the writers read a "Storytelling 101" book and went, "Oh, we've got to give the character a dramatic need, let's give him a wife out of the blue and make that his only character point.". It doesn't make the character any less one dimensional, in fact it amplifies his one dimensionality because you realize how silly it all is. The characters are as thinly done as anything from a B movie. They're all defined entirely by being huge and by one meaningless background point, such as "missing wife" or "prison time".[/QUOTE] I think what makes it work so well is that while the characters are mostly shallow, they're presented very well and without any shame. The acting and writing all exudes confidence in the character's identity and it makes them more convincing, even if the writing itself isn't up to the scale of, say, Mass Effect. Personally, I find the story in Gears to be both entertaining and fascinating, and I like the characters enough to want them to find their happy endings, whatever that may be. For this series, I think that's enough.