Gears of War Megathread V1: I'm coughing up blood that ain't even mine! - Games

They said it was a problem that they discovered last week... It's on disk content, what kind of problem can take a week+ to fix? I guess just because it was on disk doesn't mean it was completely working...

Update: dlc has a chance to come out today, there was a twitter confusion. TIMEZONES1

Welp. That's just plain annoying. How stupid can Epic be to fuck up something as simple as a guddamn unlock code?

[QUOTE=sp00ks;33068342]Probably getting Gears 3 tomorrow. How is the SP? I enjoyed the SP of Gears 1 and 2. Is this as good?[/QUOTE] SP was more action packed but if you're going to play it for the story, don't bother. The plot of this one was the worst of the 3.

[QUOTE=Troll?;33069585]Welp. That's just plain annoying. How stupid can Epic be to fuck up something as simple as a guddamn unlock code?[/QUOTE] I have no idea, and I'm angry because this is my last day off, though there's a slight chance my school won't get power back and we get off tomorrow. Either way, not worth the risk, I'd love the DLC to be fixed today..

woooooooooo [url]http://twitter.com/#!/HammerOfWynn/status/131436438830063616[/url] [editline]1st November 2011[/editline] It's out!

Blood drive actually looks good, it looks more.. mysterious, war-ridden. I like it.

Sorry for the 'greentext' and already being out but: > Add DLC to disk > Illegal distribution of content already on the disk and purchased by a customer > 7 hours before release > Announce DLC delay because of technical issues > DLC was already on disk yet they didn't know this > mfw

Oh hey guess what Thanks giving we get 5 maps for free, including the current ones - Epic I've gained some major respect for you here. [url]http://www.360sync.com/2011/11/01/free-multiplayer-maps-coming-to-gears-of-war-3-on-thanksgiving-day[/url]

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;33075663]Oh hey guess what Thanks giving we get 5 maps for free, including the current ones - Epic I've gained some major respect for you here. [url]http://www.360sync.com/2011/11/01/free-multiplayer-maps-coming-to-gears-of-war-3-on-thanksgiving-day[/url][/QUOTE] YOu have that confused. The 3 DLC maps we just got today are going to be put into circulation for multiplayer, nobody but people who purchased the DLC/season pass will get Azura, Bloodwhatever, and rustlung. Everybody who downloads the free dlc will get the 2 free maps.

Alpha playlist [url]http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/852520-Alpha-Playlist-is-like-a-CLASSIC-PLAYLIST[/url]! And people bitch about Epic not caring and treating their fans right. Sure they have been greedy, but what are you going to do? Microsoft wouldn't allow them to do a whole bunch of free stuff even if they wanted. They're already releasing those 5 free maps. Can't wait to try out this playlist.

[QUOTE=Reaper3_3;33076659]Alpha playlist [url]http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/852520-Alpha-Playlist-is-like-a-CLASSIC-PLAYLIST[/url]! And people bitch about Epic not caring and treating their fans right. Sure they have been greedy, but what are you going to do? Microsoft wouldn't allow them to do a whole bunch of free stuff even if they wanted. They're already releasing those 5 free maps. Can't wait to try out this playlist.[/QUOTE] Uh, how does that constitute as them treating us right? They're giving us a playlist to correct some of the glaring balance issues that everyone has been asking for since day one. They also are giving us maps for free, sure, but those maps are ALREADY ON THE DISK. WE ALREADY OWN THESE MAPS. That's like saying when you buy something and then you actually get the thing you paid for, you're getting a good deal. No you're not, you're getting what you paid for. Microsoft doesn't need to let them give out free stuff, it's all already on the disk. The DLC is just unlocking the content. They could release an auto update to unlock the content just as easily. So, actually, yeah, they could give us whatever they want for free and Microsoft wouldn't be able to do shit because it's all already on the disk and we already paid for it. Stop trying to defend horrible business practices. The reason they're releasing the DLC for free is because their shitty business practices are showing and they're trying to distract people by giving them free stuff. It's really the oldest trick in the book.

ALL. THIS. CONTENT. Epic. You are forgiven. Thank you for my Onyx Guard. He is badass.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;33077299]Uh, how does that constitute as them treating us right? They're giving us a playlist to correct some of the glaring balance issues that everyone has been asking for since day one. They also are giving us maps for free, sure, but those maps are ALREADY ON THE DISK. WE ALREADY OWN THESE MAPS. That's like saying when you buy something and then you actually get the thing you paid for, you're getting a good deal. No you're not, you're getting what you paid for. Microsoft doesn't need to let them give out free stuff, it's all already on the disk. The DLC is just unlocking the content. They could release an auto update to unlock the content just as easily. So, actually, yeah, they could give us whatever they want for free and Microsoft wouldn't be able to do shit because it's all already on the disk and we already paid for it. Stop trying to defend horrible business practices. The reason they're releasing the DLC for free is because their shitty business practices are showing and they're trying to distract people by giving them free stuff. It's really the oldest trick in the book.[/QUOTE] lol calm down there get the stick out of your ass I clearly said they were greedy I'm not defending them, I'm saying I'm glad we're getting what we're getting. The treating the fans right was strictly regarding the alpha playlist. They didn't HAVE to do the alpha playlist at all, so I'm grateful they are. I don't care what they're trying to do with the map pack, I'm just happy to get Clocktower.

[QUOTE=Reaper3_3;33079797]lol calm down there get the stick out of your ass I clearly said they were greedy I'm not defending them, I'm saying I'm glad we're getting what we're getting. The treating the fans right was strictly regarding the alpha playlist. They didn't HAVE to do the alpha playlist at all, so I'm grateful they are. I don't care what they're trying to do with the map pack, I'm just happy to get Clocktower.[/QUOTE] I'm perfectly calm. Just because I'm explaining to you that Epic has a terrible business ethic and shouldn't be portrayed in a positive light just because they're giving us some stuff we already paid for. I mean, the game is great and I'm glad we're getting maps too, but fuck, if I would have known that they were going to be acting this way about DLC, I just would have bought it used so they wouldn't get my money.

Alright, you just seemed very demanding and aggressive in your post.

[QUOTE=Reaper3_3;33081917]Alright, you just seemed very demanding and aggressive in your post.[/QUOTE] I apologize if I came off as agressive, I didn't mean it as any personal affront to you. I'm not really angry, I'm just kind of annoyed that Epic has taken the already annoying business practice of having DLC on disk, and brought it to the extreme of having ALL the DLC on disk.

Yeah, it's understandable. No offence taken at all!

Anyone know how to get the Command Centre in Horde?

Spend 360,000 on turret building/repairs, and make sure it's maxed. If that doesn't work then it's a bug. I've heard some people, even when they have a level 1 command center can't find it.

I actually don't mind having on-disk DLC. Mainly because I only have the 4gb memory unit on my Slim so downloading wouldn't be too good for it.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;33081888]I'm perfectly calm. Just because I'm explaining to you that Epic has a terrible business ethic and shouldn't be portrayed in a positive light just because they're giving us some stuff we already paid for. I mean, the game is great and I'm glad we're getting maps too, but fuck, if I would have known that they were going to be acting this way about DLC, I just would have bought it used so they wouldn't get my money.[/QUOTE] I really don't understand the hate behind having DLC already on the disc. I mean I can understand the problem of paying $60 for a game, and only getting access to a certain amount of content. But honestly it's not like the content before that was lacking. The idea of having DLC on disc is a pretty convenient idea for some, considering there's a lot of things as a developer you don't have to worry about. For instance you don't have to worry about paying for bandwidth, which you have to do on Xbox Live. You don't have to worry as well about someone having to have space on their Hard drive, or for instance if they are the unfortunate few not to own a hard drive. Also you don't have to worry about just requiring someone to download a certain amount of data anyways, for hose that don't want to wait. Or even those who have terrible internet. The idea of buying something, and only being limited to a part of the content isn't a totally new idea, and it's not a bad idea. It be no different if a developer made DLC before shipping the game, and just let it sat for a few weeks before deciding to sell it. Honestly there's really nothing to get mad over. It's their product and they can kind of do whatever they want with it. The same can be said with consoles. Do you actually think firmware adds new features sometimes? Lol, NOPE. A lot of console based features, UI elements, or general things are pretty much sitting in the firmware already, but just waiting to be enabled or flipped on. Developers have been doing it for years now, gears is just one of those titles where it's extremely obvious.

[QUOTE=Horse Strangler;33083656]I really don't understand the hate behind having DLC already on the disc. I mean I can understand the problem of paying $60 for a game, and only getting access to a certain amount of content. But honestly it's not like the content before that was lacking. The idea of having DLC on disc is a pretty convenient idea for some, considering there's a lot of things as a developer you don't have to worry about. For instance you don't have to worry about paying for bandwidth, which you have to do on Xbox Live. You don't have to worry as well about someone having to have space on their Hard drive, or for instance if they are the unfortunate few not to own a hard drive. Also you don't have to worry about just requiring someone to download a certain amount of data anyways, for hose that don't want to wait. Or even those who have terrible internet. The idea of buying something, and only being limited to a part of the content isn't a totally new idea, and it's not a bad idea. It be no different if a developer made DLC before shipping the game, and just let it sat for a few weeks before deciding to sell it. Honestly there's really nothing to get mad over. It's their product and they can kind of do whatever they want with it. The same can be said with consoles. Do you actually think firmware adds new features sometimes? Lol, NOPE. A lot of console based features, UI elements, or general things are pretty much sitting in the firmware already, but just waiting to be enabled or flipped on. Developers have been doing it for years now, gears is just one of those titles where it's extremely obvious.[/QUOTE] I don't think you know how this works. The content IS lacking. The multiplayer has some balance issues, there are obviously things taken out of Horde, there are very, very few Locust skins (it's obvious that they took some out), There's also all of the loose ends still hanging in the story that they're probably going to use to make DLC, or more games. Uh, you need Xbox Live in order to unlock the content on disk, so that's just an invalid argument. The game itself requires a harddrive in the first place, I believe, and the actual unlock for the on-disk content does in fact take up a little bit of memory. You need Xbox Live and a Harddrive to get the content, so, yeah, that's still a concern. Yes, it is a bad idea. It's just trying to squeeze money out of consumers when they could release a game packed with content. Thinking "What can we cut out and then charge people for later?" is a shitty way of thinking, and there's absolutely no excuse for it. In fact, considering Epic already has piles of cash and at least one spinoff confirmed on the way, they really didn't need to cut content for future DLC at all. There was literally no reason to do so other than greed. Uh, nobody really buys a console for the UI or even the features. They buy it to play games, and everything else is gravy. Of course it's their product and they can do what they want, but that doesn't mean they should. I could leave my house right now and strangle the first person I see to death. It is well within my capability. But should I do it? Of course not. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do something. Developers have been doing it for years in limited amounts. Usually the first or second DLC are already on disk, but that's generally been it, and people have already been really unhappy with that. Having every single piece of DLC ripped straight off the disk is extremely lazy. It means they have literally no work to do. They just sit around and release DLC whenever they think it's most profitable, and rake in the money. How can you even defend it? Saying people already do it is a shitty excuse for them. Just because people do it doesn't mean it's okay. The kind of attitude you're showing is how they get away with it in the first place, people who say "Oh, well, they're gonna do it either way so I may as well support it!" are the exact audience they're taking advantage of with this strategy. Oh, and by the way, I'm not mad. I'm annoyed that Epic is doing this so blatantly and are getting away with it simply because people are too lazy to do anything about it.

[QUOTE]The content IS lacking. The multiplayer has some balance issues, there are obviously things taken out of Horde, there are very, very few Locust skins (it's obvious that they took some out), There's also all of the loose ends still hanging in the story that they're probably going to use to make DLC, or more games.[/QUOTE] I guess if you see it that way. The shipped game has quite a decent amount of content. But I don't mean content in the way you're thinking about it. Story sections aside, if Epic did plan to fill in gaps via DLC then that's pretty terrible. But content overall in terms of whats there is a lot. I'm kind of looking at the idea of content from the perspective of actual man hours required to create whats on the disc. But man don't even get me started with skins, that's bullshit entirely. I mean I work with Unreal, you can slap a new effect on a mesh in 30 seconds or less, and thats literally what Epic is doing. [QUOTE]Uh, you need Xbox Live in order to unlock the content on disk, so that's just an invalid argument. The game itself requires a harddrive in the first place, I believe, and the actual unlock for the on-disk content does in fact take up a little bit of memory. You need Xbox Live and a Harddrive to get the content, so, yeah, that's still a concern.[/QUOTE] I never said you didn't need it. Just that you don't have to pay for the bandwidth there. Someone has to store all the content somewhere so people can download it, and someone has to pay for the bandwidth that costs. Also the unlock files are around 1.5kb. Whcih is close to 1.4mb. Thats a floppydisk and a half. [QUOTE]Yes, it is a bad idea. It's just trying to squeeze money out of consumers when they could release a game packed with content. Thinking "What can we cut out and then charge people for later?" is a shitty way of thinking, and there's absolutely no excuse for it. In fact, considering Epic already has piles of cash and at least one spinoff confirmed on the way, they really didn't need to cut content for future DLC at all. There was literally no reason to do so other than greed.[/QUOTE] I think assuming that's what they're doing is something that kinda tips the argument. So for the arrangement's sake lets assume that's not what they intended. Like I said, you have to look at it from a developer perspective. You can possibly reach a ton of more players thanks to the limitations of having already on disc dlc/content removes. Now part of this is kind of a whole morale thing too. It's kind of "How much content should we put in here". Likely some smaller teams worked on the DLC content, while the game got finished up, and then everything got packaged together. I mean part of the problem is you're still a business. Even if they didn't want to, part of them still had to. You kind of have to sit there and say to yourself "Well, how much content are we fitting in there for this price" This stems from my previous statement of "The content was not lacking". There is a decent amount of maps/Cog characters/Locust/Skins to use unlock, or overall enjoy. [QUOTE]Uh, nobody really buys a console for the UI or even the features. They buy it to play games, and everything else is gravy. Of course it's their product and they can do what they want, but that doesn't mean they should. I could leave my house right now and strangle the first person I see to death. It is well within my capability. But should I do it? Of course not. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do something.[/QUOTE] Never stated that's why people buy consoles, I was simply stating that overall idea is used on firmware. And yeah while people by consoles to play games, a lot of people kind of buy consoles to do other things now days. The idea of consoles only playing games, or being a game machine are kind of going out the window, but I digress. People buy consoles so they can do other things than play games, because of the features they offer. To kind of iterate on what I was saying in my previous post, let's take the 3DS for example. A part of marketing went to detail on taking photos in 3D. The 3DS can technically record videos in 3D already, but nintendo is just waiting to go in and enable that. It's just mostly so they can gain attention later on in future ads and stuff, the same with games. You know "3DS now supports 3D video recording, at the low price of 199.99, ec etc -end commercial" [QUOTE]Developers have been doing it for years in limited amounts. Usually the first or second DLC are already on disk, but that's generally been it, and people have already been really unhappy with that. Having every single piece of DLC ripped straight off the disk is extremely lazy. It means they have literally no work to do. They just sit around and release DLC whenever they think it's most profitable, and rake in the money.[/QUOTE] Way more than you think. I don't understand how thats lazy though, I fail to understand that part. How is not making the content after the game is finished, and putting it on content servers not lazy. The content is still being made. [QUOTE]How can you even defend it? Saying people already do it is a shitty excuse for them. Just because people do it doesn't mean it's okay. The kind of attitude you're showing is how they get away with it in the first place, people who say "Oh, well, they're gonna do it either way so I may as well support it!" are the exact audience they're taking advantage of with this strategy.[/QUOTE] Because I see nothing wrong with it. I mean honestly dude, all I'm seeing here is: [B]RAWR I MAD EPIC NOT PUT DLC ON CONTENT SERVERS SO I HAVE TO DOWNLOAD IT. RAWR CONTENT IS ALREADY ON DISC. ME ANGREH. ME WANT GRILL CHEESE.[/B] Really, tell me how what you're doing is exactly not that. [B]Edit[/B] You also rating me dumb pretty much confirms I am right.

I don't think the rating dumb means anything besides y'know, THAT YOU'RE DUMB?

Come into thread expecting gears discussion. Arrive to gears argument. Hennyway. How [b]do[/b] you get the command center in horde? Do I need to unlock it?

[QUOTE=Troll?;33088841]Come into thread expecting gears discussion. Arrive to gears argument. Hennyway. How [b]do[/b] you get the command center in horde? Do I need to unlock it?[/QUOTE] I'm wondering that too. It says I have lvl 1 Command Center, but the bloody thing is no where to be found on the map.

[QUOTE=Troll?;33088841]Come into thread expecting gears discussion. Arrive to gears argument. Hennyway. How [b]do[/b] you get the command center in horde? Do I need to unlock it?[/QUOTE] 360,000 points in the turret catergory. I think that's maxing out the turret, getting to level 8. And then to level up the command post, total from level 1 to 4 I think it's 40,000. AKA, buy 40 level 1 command centers.

[QUOTE=Horse Strangler;33083951][B]Edit[/B] You also rating me dumb pretty much confirms I am right.[/QUOTE] No, it confirms that I think you're dumb. That's how the dumb rating works. Is the command center any good, guys?

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;33090972]No, it confirms that I think you're dumb. That's how the dumb rating works. Is the command center any good, guys?[/QUOTE] Not worth it's price imo. I would only upgrade to the Mortar, which costs 3k total. HoD is not worth it, as most locust are too fast to get within it's death blast. Mortar+ snipers are best, but don't activate it at the very beginning. IMO, overpass is the best for this. Wait a few seconds after you hear the locust chant or whatever at the beginning, or until you see 2-3 people out in the open, press the buttons, watch the fireworks. I got a lot of 6+ kills, because of formers/bunched together grubs/tickers/wretches, so this is a better choice than HoD it seems. The sniper/mortar/boomshot/HoD also count towards your weapon kills execution.. I got my mortar execution today because of it.