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[QUOTE=Maruhai;37315211]Sounds kinda dumb but you're more effective midgame I guess.[/QUOTE] How is it dumb to be able to heal 700+ every time you use your soul ring and ultimate? It's a great investment so you can farm the jungle very well during the 10-25 minutes and then come out with an orchid and MKB/BKB? You farm crazy fast with it.

[QUOTE=Haxxer;37315411]How is it dumb to be able to heal 700+ every time you use your soul ring and ultimate? It's a great investment so you can farm the jungle very well during the 10-25 minutes and then come out with an orchid and MKB/BKB? You farm crazy fast with it.[/QUOTE] I meant as PL, not as Clinkz.

[QUOTE=Maruhai;37317192]I meant as PL, not as Clinkz.[/QUOTE] Oh, sorry, didn't examine your quote well enough. PA needs mana as he has two spells that orient around his playstyle. So unless you have a Kotl or tons of arcane boots around you should invest in a soul ring, as you can escape and nuke with it.

[QUOTE=Haxxer;37317666]Oh, sorry, didn't examine your quote well enough. PA needs mana as he has two spells that orient around his playstyle. So unless you have a Kotl or tons of arcane boots around you should invest in a soul ring, as you can escape and nuke with it.[/QUOTE] Yeah but Tranquil Boots seems weird, it uses a lot of mana, I would probably recommend a Ring of Aquila and a Bottle instead of Soul Ring and Tranquil Boots.

[QUOTE=Maruhai;37318210]Yeah but Tranquil Boots seems weird, it uses a lot of mana, I would probably recommend a Ring of Aquila and a Bottle instead of Soul Ring and Tranquil Boots.[/QUOTE] 25 mana is a lot of mana? Bottle is 600 gold with limited charges, and a soul ring is an long term investment. Aquila is good, but doesn't grant you the bursts of mana that you need with your nuke.

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[QUOTE=Maruhai;37318210]Yeah but Tranquil Boots seems weird, it uses a lot of mana, I would probably recommend a Ring of Aquila and a Bottle instead of Soul Ring and Tranquil Boots.[/QUOTE] Soul ring, spirit lance, tranquil combo gives you a free Spirit Lance every 20 seconds for 10 mana. It's really really good.

[QUOTE=Kirrimir;37311232]you know that treads vlads isn't always bad, i.e. if you are going for a semi push strat and you want the carry to be helping early game, it's silly good for it's aura.[/QUOTE] just curious why you disagree RagerTrader?

[QUOTE=Kirrimir;37324406]just curious why you disagree RagerTrader?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MywTtqvw10Y&feature=g-user-u[/url] This video probs tells why he disagrees, just look at the AM. It just doesn't do much in early game, and you gain even less damage from it. If you rush it, it gives you PERCENTAGE BASED bonus damage, Meaning it only goes strong if you have good BASE STATS. [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=NoName-;37314306]not really related to a certain character, but can i get some help with micro management? how do i make it so i can control 1 certain unit by pressing a hotkey, for example for Brewmaster ulti i want to set 1-2-3 for each split.[/QUOTE] Or if you want help controlling a group, pressing tab whilst you have all 3 selected will move to the next one, allowing you to easily cast spells on a 3 pandas.

[QUOTE=Izanagi;37325745][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MywTtqvw10Y&feature=g-user-u[/url] This video probs tells why he disagrees, just look at the AM. It just doesn't do much in early game, and you gain even less damage from it. If you rush it, it gives you PERCENTAGE BASED bonus damage, Meaning it only goes strong if you have good BASE STATS.[/QUOTE] The reason you get it isn't for your own personal damage, the whole point is that it's a push strat so the aura affects all creeps and all heroes, giving your team a significant advantage in a 5v5

2000 gold on a bunch of very mediocre bonuses isn't really a 'significant advantage' though that's nearly a mekansm's worth of gold which would be far better for a teamfight especially on an antimage, it would be a hell of a lot better to farm up 200 more gold and get a vanguard instead

How do you farm most effectively as a jungler like NP or Naix? What's the "quota" for good farm? And with NP, stacking easy camp + killing other camps with treants Vs teleporting strat?

[QUOTE=dual elites;37325878]2000 gold on a bunch of very mediocre bonuses isn't really a 'significant advantage' though that's nearly a mekansm's worth of gold which would be far better for a teamfight especially on an antimage, it would be a hell of a lot better to farm up 200 more gold and get a vanguard instead[/QUOTE] how does a vanguard help a pushstrat, it doesn't. I'm not saying it's #1 item every game, all im saying is you can do it in a push strat because the aura helps the whole team.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37326002]How do you farm most effectively as a jungler like NP or Naix? What's the "quota" for good farm? And with NP, stacking easy camp + killing other camps with treants Vs teleporting strat?[/QUOTE] Get a Midas at 8 minutes if nobody is going to interrupt your farm at all. Also I've never had to stack camps to get it unless I'm about to kill the camp near the minute marks, so doubling up camps won't work as well like it would for axe or dark seer as far as I know.

[QUOTE=Kirrimir;37326174]how does a vanguard help a pushstrat, it doesn't. I'm not saying it's #1 item every game, all im saying is you can do it in a push strat because the aura helps the whole team.[/QUOTE] why the fuck would you pick antimage in a push strat? [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] "hmm we want to end this game quickly, better pick a hard carry!"

[QUOTE=dual elites;37327346]why the fuck would you pick antimage in a push strat? [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] "hmm we want to end this game quickly, better pick a hard carry!"[/QUOTE]If they're going to push strat with a hard carry at least make it Lone Druid so you can rip buildings apart.

[QUOTE=Proogles;37326518]Get a Midas at 8 minutes if nobody is going to interrupt your farm at all. Also I've never had to stack camps to get it unless I'm about to kill the camp near the minute marks, so doubling up camps won't work as well like it would for axe or dark seer as far as I know.[/QUOTE] Hmm, okay. So straight on clearing jungle camps with Basilius and treants for 8 minutes.?

[QUOTE=dual elites;37327346]why the fuck would you pick antimage in a push strat? [editline]20th August 2012[/editline] "hmm we want to end this game quickly, better pick a hard carry!"[/QUOTE] The reason you'll pick a carry sometimes in a push strat is simply just to be "safe" if it goes later than anticipated, do none of you even watch competitive?

[QUOTE=Kirrimir;37334519]The reason you'll pick a carry sometimes in a push strat is simply just to be "safe" if it goes later than anticipated, do none of you even watch competitive?[/QUOTE] Exactly, if one of you doesn't win quick enough then you need SOME late game ability.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;37341954]Exactly, if one of you doesn't win quick enough then you need SOME late game ability.[/QUOTE] But he still shouldn't be with his team in the early game. he should be out farming while they are doing the pushing.

if you wanted some late game security you'd pick somebody who is also useful in the early game rather than needing to farm, because that weakens your early game considerably and almost certainly ensures you'd end up in the late game anyway, basically nullifying the entire point of your strategy.

[QUOTE=dual elites;37342291]if you wanted some late game security you'd pick somebody who is also useful in the early game rather than needing to farm, because that weakens your early game considerably and almost certainly ensures you'd end up in the late game anyway, basically nullifying the entire point of your strategy.[/QUOTE] IE Lone Druid, Lycan, Naga, TA, etc.

Broodmother.

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;37342450]IE Lone Druid, Lycan, Naga, TA, etc.[/QUOTE] yea cos those heroes aren't banned 9/10 games

[QUOTE=Kirrimir;37343707]yea cos those heroes aren't banned 9/10 games[/QUOTE] You are so fucking dumb that I'm not going to even bother with this conversation any more. [editline]21st August 2012[/editline] Closing notes: Vlad's rush on AM is always, under any circumstances, terrible. If you are going for a push strat, you just fucking grab heroes that can push instead of picking up a hard carry and shooting yourself in the foot on both fronts.

i'm relatively new to this game and i told everyone it was my first time as silencer we were facing a fed tinker (19/2/25) and i ulted either between a reload or a laser almost everytime everyone started yelling at me for ulting at the wrong time when am i supposed to ult as silencer against a tinker? he was the only real threat, doombringer was just a huge meatshield who did no damage

[QUOTE=Bman212;37407576]i'm relatively new to this game and i told everyone it was my first time as silencer we were facing a fed tinker (19/2/25) and i ulted either between a reload or a laser almost everytime everyone started yelling at me for ulting at the wrong time when am i supposed to ult as silencer against a tinker? he was the only real threat, doombringer was just a huge meatshield who did no damage[/QUOTE] In middle of teamfights, your ult only lasts a few secs, nothing stops tinker to rearm again after your ult is over. Also if they didnt had many spells dependent heroes maybe Silencer wasnt the smartest choise.

[QUOTE=NoName-;37408789]In middle of teamfights, your ult only lasts a few secs, nothing stops tinker to rearm again after your ult is over. Also if they didnt had many spells dependent heroes maybe Silencer wasnt the smartest choise.[/QUOTE] it was tinker, pugna, lina, doombringer and sniper

Then you should have ulted at the start of each teamfight, Lina and Pugna have fairly slow cast animations so it's gonna be hard for them to start casting spells when the silence wears off since your team should be on top of them wrecking everything.

I keep having mana issues with Mirana. Any thing I should do to counter that? Or should I just use spells less?