The Halo Thread V8: Nooo Mongoose, Come Back! - Games

Is Evolutions worth buying? Ive run out of Halo books to read. [QUOTE=Funky Pickle;35926822]Aright, here's the leaked picture: [url]http://i.imgur.com/LSfRz.jpg[/url] Could be fake, I suppose, but I WANT TO BELIEVE[/QUOTE] They're not that bad.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;35928686]Is Evolutions worth buying? Ive run out of Halo books to read. They're not that bad.[/QUOTE] It's a fun few reads.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;35928675]Yeah, and they don't look very recognizable. [sp]Don't look very Forerunner or Covenant.[/sp][/QUOTE] My speculation as of seeing this: [sp] I'm starting to think that the Precursors really aren't the Flood in ANY way. The Flood really was just a test, a tool from the Precursor's gigantic arsenal. I mean, honestly, it's often overlooked that they ARE a Tier 0 species. If they can create entire species, the Flood would be child's play for them to make, and it doesn't mean they use it to actually absorb species, just to test some of them, since they obviously didn't bother with it when they originally tried to eliminate/test the Forerunners. So those enemies are probably actual Precursor weapons and machines, or at least some form of technology or created species that they use. [/sp]

Aren't the Flood [sp]extra-galactic in origin?[/sp]

[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;35934534]Aren't the Flood [sp]extra-galactic in origin?[/sp][/QUOTE] I know all the spoiler tags can get a bit tedious but I haven't posted in this thread for ages, so I really don't know how many people here have read the Forerunner Trilogy. So I suggest not reading this if not. [sp] Yes, but so are the Precursors. They planted the Flood spores on ships mentioned in Cryptum as a sort of method to test the humans to see if they were worthy of inheriting the Mantle, since the Forerunners failed the test (even though they don't remember). Considering 343 is either hinting at either Precursors, Forerunners, or Flood (although I remember them denying the last one) I'm edging towards the Precursor option, since the last Precursor in the galaxy mentioned in Primordium that they would wait for 100,000 years (I believe, it's hard to remember) before coming back to absorb us, as we passed the "test", and that time is about up by the time of Halo 4. [/sp] And in response to Arachnidus, [sp] if it really is just Forerunners they are still an immensely powerful race who haven't been in the galaxy for centuries, so who knows how their tech has evolved since then? [/sp]

[QUOTE=Time Itself;35935058]I know all the spoiler tags can get a bit tedious but I haven't posted in this thread for ages, so I really don't know how many people here have read the Forerunner Trilogy. So I suggest not reading this if not. [sp] Yes, but so are the Precursors. They planted the Flood spores on ships mentioned in Cryptum as a sort of method to test the humans to see if they were worthy of inheriting the Mantle, since the Forerunners failed the test (even though they don't remember). Considering 343 is either hinting at either Precursors, Forerunners, or Flood (although I remember them denying the last one) I'm edging towards the Precursor option, since the last Precursor in the galaxy mentioned in Primordium that they would wait for 100,000 years (I believe, it's hard to remember) before coming back to absorb us, as we passed the "test", and that time is about up by the time of Halo 4. [/sp] And in response to Arachnidus, [sp] if it really is just Forerunners they are still an immensely powerful race who haven't been in the galaxy for centuries, so who knows how their tech has evolved since then? [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Forerunners as enemies would be lame, Master Chief wouldn't stand a chance against someone like the Didact. It would be fighting the covenants tech x100. The forerunners in canon are just too powerful of a force for them to make a legitimate enemy. And what purpose would be the Forerunners fighting the Chief? Precursors are more likely as they're the enemies of the Forerunners however they cant be that great in military strength as the Forerunners were able to overthrow them.[/sp]

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;35938533][sp]Forerunners as enemies would be lame, Master Chief wouldn't stand a chance against someone like the Didact. It would be fighting the covenants tech x100. The forerunners in canon are just too powerful of a force for them to make a legitimate enemy. And what purpose would be the Forerunners fighting the Chief? Precursors are more likely as they're the enemies of the Forerunners however they cant be that great in military strength as the Forerunners were able to overthrow them.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Unless he managed to get his hands on some forerunner tech, in which case he may stand a fighting chance. Hell, remember this is the Chief we're talking about. The reason he's so ridiculously powerful, the reason he's effectively the best SPARTAN out there is basically because the universe seems to favour him in terms of luck - that's basically the deciding factor as to why Dr. Halsey chose him, because he's insanely lucky. Even given the Forerunner's power, the Chief's luck alone would probably have him win. ... It's funny, because I just realised that that's another thing that connects Halo to Ringworld. The reason Teela Brown was picked in the first Ringworld novel to join in the expedition is because she was bred through generations to be lucky.[/sp]

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;35938533][sp]Forerunners as enemies would be lame, Master Chief wouldn't stand a chance against someone like the Didact. It would be fighting the covenants tech x100. The forerunners in canon are just too powerful of a force for them to make a legitimate enemy. And what purpose would be the Forerunners fighting the Chief? Precursors are more likely as they're the enemies of the Forerunners however they cant be that great in military strength as the Forerunners were able to overthrow them.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Forerunners were able to overthrow them because they used Precursor technology to rebel. They were slaves, no merely a client race.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;35938801][sp]Forerunners were able to overthrow them because they used Precursor technology to rebel. They were slaves, no merely a client race.[/sp][/QUOTE] True, then both factions would be stupid to fight. Unless if Master Chief had both forerunner armour and weapons, which he doesn't.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;35938913]True, then both factions would be stupid to fight. Unless if Master Chief had both forerunner armour and weapons, which he doesn't.[/QUOTE] Who knows, he does find himself on a giant Forerunner world with more seemingly more active Forerunner stuff than on the Halo and Ark installations. He might just get something from somewhere to upgrade his stuff, I sure wouldn't mind using Forerunner weapons.

Let's just rename this page: The average pentagon document

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;35938913]True, then both factions would be stupid to fight. Unless if Master Chief had both forerunner armour and weapons, which he doesn't.[/QUOTE] If he does get his hands on Forerunner/Precursor weapons, though... they're fucked. I mean, an army is easy to see coming - they're a fucking huge mass of people and vehicles, they're not exactly easy to miss. But a single, determined man? He's gonna slip under the radar, literally and figuratively. He's gonna fall through the cracks, and traverse the inner network of their immense megastructures. They're not gonna see him coming until he's jamming an energy sword in their gut, or putting a bullet between their eyes.

[QUOTE=Bokito;35938939]Who knows, he does find himself on a giant Forerunner world with more seemingly more active Forerunner stuff than on the Halo and Ark installations. He might just get something from somewhere to upgrade his stuff, I sure wouldn't mind using Forerunner weapons.[/QUOTE] Its just unlikely is all, sure you'll probably find forerunner weapons but I doubt whatever enemy we will be fighting will be anything like what the canon implies that the forerunners or precursors are, what would be the point in adding aload of UNSC weapons if they're going to be completely useless against the enemy? It could be that like Humans, Precursors/Forerunners(the situation could fit either) were blasted back to the stone age from such a devasting loss and its taken them this many years to recover and have returned to reclaim their empire.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;35939019]Its just unlikely is all, sure you'll probably find forerunner weapons but I doubt whatever enemy we will be fighting will be anything like what the canon implies that the forerunners or precursors are, what would be the point in adding aload of UNSC weapons if they're going to be completely useless against the enemy? It could be that like Humans, Precursors/Forerunners(the situation could fit either) were blasted back to the stone age from such a devasting loss and its taken them this many years to recover and have returned to reclaim their empire.[/QUOTE] Or maybe they'll start off by throwing weaker cannon fodder at us (something like Grunts and Elites) thinking (wrongly) that the Chief'll be taken out by numbers alone on unfamiliar territory (so at the start of the game we're using UNSC weapons), and then later on when it becomes evident that the Chief is far too persistent, stubborn, and downright lucky to succumb to such tactics they decide to show their true force (which is when we drop the UNSC weaponry, and pick up the big boys toys).

[QUOTE=sltungle;35939065]Or maybe they'll start off by throwing weaker cannon fodder at us (something like Grunts and Elites) thinking (wrongly) that the Chief'll be taken out by numbers alone on unfamiliar territory (so at the start of the game we're using UNSC weapons), and then later on when it becomes evident that the Chief is far too persistent, stubborn, and downright lucky to succumb to such tactics they decide to show their true force (which is when we drop the UNSC weaponry, and pick up the big boys toys).[/QUOTE] For Precursors this kind of thinking is entirely possible as we dont know much about them but if it was Forerunners, they're not arrogant or foolish enough to underestimate Humans. I do hope it is the Precursors we fight.

[QUOTE=Bokito;35938939]Who knows, he does find himself on a giant Forerunner world with more seemingly more active Forerunner stuff than on the Halo and Ark installations. He might just get something from somewhere to upgrade his stuff, I sure wouldn't mind using Forerunner weapons.[/QUOTE] That, and considering all the tech advancements derived from Covie and Forerunner tech (ex.: [I]Infinity[/I]), it's not unimaginable that the Chief could gain access to more advanced gear than that which was on board [I]Forward Unto Dawn[/I]. [editline]13th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;35939118]For Precursors this kind of thinking is entirely possible as we dont know much about them but if it was Forerunners, they're not arrogant or foolish enough to underestimate Humans. I do hope it is the Precursors we fight.[/QUOTE] Well, we know the Covenant are in the game and they are going to be enemies of some type, so until the Precursors/Flood/Forerunners/unknown come in, they're our big bads once more.

It's easy to imagine that the Precursors would have a much higher degree of technology then Forerunners, and they probably aren't constrained by the "Thou must not wanton murder" section of the Mantle, since that's just how the Forerunners interpreted it. Wasn't there some talk a few pages back about how they were saying in a magazine that we were fighting the Forerunners, or was that proven to be fake? Only reasoning that I have for us fighting Forerunners is that I remember that there were supposed to be quite a few of them who still despised humanity despite what the Librarian said about us being the Reclaimers.

Why would the Forerunners suddenly go batshit crazy and try to kill Chief? Why would any of these species go batshit crazy and try to kill Chief, actually? He's just one man, stranded on an abandoned world. 343 said they wanted a more character-focused story, so there may not even be a 'big bad' or any kind of unified threat. Rather, Master Chief is trying to get home and he's facing hurdles along the way. I think you guys are tackling the plot from the wrong angle, is all. 'Character Driven' usually doesn't involve 'A TECHNOLOGICALLY SUPERIOR EMPIRE THAT IS SAID TO NO LONGER EXIST IS BEARING ALL OF IT'S FORCE DOWN ON ONE MAN BECAUSE REASONS!!!! ALSO ELITES AND GRUNTS FOR OTHER REASONS!!!"

from what i've seen the forerunners have always been batshit crazy [editline]13th May 2012[/editline] ingenious of course but batshit crazy

[QUOTE=KingKombat;35948040]from what i've seen the forerunners have always been batshit crazy [editline]13th May 2012[/editline] ingenious of course but batshit crazy[/QUOTE] 'Hey some guy got lost let's hire equally stranded aliens to try and kill him when we could literally just point any of our guns at him and kill him just by thinking real hard' crazy? Also I don't think Chief will find way better weapons and armor like half way through the game to combat the forerunners. It would render the other weapons and the already-new armor moot. I doubt they'd spend time developing a bunch of weapons and armor that's going to become completely useless when the actual plot sets in. If they did do that, I'd seriously question their ability to develop efficiently and how good they actually are if they're wasting assets like that.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;35947994]Why would the Forerunners suddenly go batshit crazy and try to kill Chief? Why would any of these species go batshit crazy and try to kill Chief, actually? He's just one man, stranded on an abandoned world. 343 said they wanted a more character-focused story, so there may not even be a 'big bad' or any kind of unified threat. Rather, Master Chief is trying to get home and he's facing hurdles along the way. I think you guys are tackling the plot from the wrong angle, is all. 'Character Driven' usually doesn't involve 'A TECHNOLOGICALLY SUPERIOR EMPIRE THAT IS SAID TO NO LONGER EXIST IS BEARING ALL OF IT'S FORCE DOWN ON ONE MAN BECAUSE REASONS!!!! ALSO ELITES AND GRUNTS FOR OTHER REASONS!!!"[/QUOTE] Who says they have to be bat shit crazy? plus the precursors are pretty crazy, killing off "unworthy" races. No one said they're intentionaly targeting chief but he will fight to stop what ever they're doing.

They might simply be pissed off that he destroyed some of their installations - especially the Ark. I mean if I spent ages building this awesome megastructure, and some dude came along and blew it all up... even if it was for all of the right reasons I'd still be PISSED THE FUCK OFF. I mean, you think you get pissed off when you spend 7 hours working on some cool LEGO model only to have a sibling accidentally (or intentionally) break it later; imagine how you'd feel if you spend 7 MILLENNIA or something building the Ark, and then all of a sudden some dude walked up and blows it all to kingdom come.

[QUOTE=sltungle;35950181]They might simply be pissed off that he destroyed some of their installations - especially the Ark. I mean if I spent ages building this awesome megastructure, and some dude came along and blew it all up... even if it was for all of the right reasons I'd still be PISSED THE FUCK OFF. I mean, you think you get pissed off when you spend 7 hours working on some cool LEGO model only to have a sibling accidentally (or intentionally) break it later; imagine how you'd feel if you spend 7 MILLENNIA or something building the Ark, and then all of a sudden some dude walked up and blows it all to kingdom come.[/QUOTE] Well the Prometheans hated the idea of the Halo rings so I doubt they have beef.

I got the feeling that the Forerunners hated the idea of the halo array, since it signalled their failure to defeat the flood, Halo:CEA shows one of the other monitors (whose name I've forgotten) saying they deserve to be forgotten for it, and 343 laments that future civilisations will only remember the Forerunners for their weapons.

[QUOTE=sltungle;35950181]They might simply be pissed off that he destroyed some of their installations - especially the Ark. I mean if I spent ages building this awesome megastructure, and some dude came along and blew it all up... even if it was for all of the right reasons I'd still be PISSED THE FUCK OFF. I mean, you think you get pissed off when you spend 7 hours working on some cool LEGO model only to have a sibling accidentally (or intentionally) break it later; imagine how you'd feel if you spend 7 MILLENNIA or something building the Ark, and then all of a sudden some dude walked up and blows it all to kingdom come.[/QUOTE] Forerunners constructed Halo arrays in a matter of days, even hours. I mean [sp]a single installation constructed a huge cruiser in a matter of seconds in what's-it-called book about forerunners.[/sp]

[QUOTE=smeismastger;35950512]Forerunners constructed Halo arrays in a matter of days, even hours. I mean [sp]a single installation constructed a huge cruiser in a matter of seconds in what's-it-called book about forerunners.[/sp][/QUOTE] Wow, really? But still, they used the Ark to create Halo rings, right? So presumable the Ark would have taken longer to build (unless there's a BIGGER megastructure which churns out Arks...).

[QUOTE=smeismastger;35950512]Forerunners constructed Halo arrays in a matter of days, even hours. I mean [sp]a single installation constructed a huge cruiser in a matter of seconds in what's-it-called book about forerunners.[/sp][/QUOTE] The Onyx Sentinal factory produced a sentinal every 4 seconds.

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It's not fan made, it's the [URL="http://kotaku.com/5910259/fans-piece-together-the-box-art-for-halo-4"]real box art[/URL].

[QUOTE=delta49;35958964]It's not fan made, it's the [URL="http://kotaku.com/5910259/fans-piece-together-the-box-art-for-halo-4"]real box art[/URL].[/QUOTE] Ahh, okay cool. My buddy only linked me the pics, didn't read the article. Thanks for the clarification fellow Delta.