[QUOTE=Number-41;38195077]I expected such an answer. Still I'd like to have some sort of camera behavior that is slightly more controlled than dashing your cursor to the edge of the screen and hoping you don't end up at the other end of the map. It's useful when you're getting chased or just need to be able to navigate quickly and precise. I don't want to lose my champ out of sight then.[/QUOTE]
You can also middle-click and drag to move the camera. Maybe you'd find that easier...
i always use middle click
[QUOTE=NoName-;38194742]The new Drow is fucking insane, she was perfectly fine with the 6.75 buffs...
You know something is wrong with Drow when you are playing as Disruptor and you can clear creepwaves by just right clicking.[/QUOTE]
Well, think of it as a feature.
Before this, what was your "fear" of drow ?
For example, you were scared of Void because he could permabash, dodge nukes and ult all enemies with easy to position blink.
You were scared of spectre as dispersion could reach insane values when combined with survivaiblity.
You were scared of PL if his illusions reached "tough to kill" mark and had manaburn.
I find that Drow had nothing like that. Nothing remarkable outside of right-clicks. Even lycan had more with his wolves and what a not.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;38195260]Well, think of it as a feature.
Before this, what was your "fear" of drow ?
For example, you were scared of Void because he could permabash, dodge nukes and ult all enemies with easy to position blink.
You were scared of spectre as dispersion could reach insane values when combined with survivaiblity.
You were scared of PL if his illusions reached "tough to kill" mark and had manaburn.
I find that Drow had nothing like that. Nothing remarkable outside of right-clicks. Even lycan had more with his wolves and what a not.[/QUOTE]
Drow is the new lycanthrope. OP.
New drow is fine, she's still squishy as fuck, all she has is that damage
get up close and she loses most of it
[QUOTE=Antary;38195318]Drow is the new lycanthrope. OP.[/QUOTE]
Well, there is drawback to her Aura. If all lanes are pushed, what is she supposed to farm ? Just the forest ?
+ She didn't grow a blink or invisiblity, she is as gankable as always. No haste-wolf form to run away.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;38195336]Well, there is drawback to her Aura. If all lanes are pushed, what is she supposed to farm ? Just the forest ?
+ She didn't grow a blink or invisiblity, she is as gankable as always. No haste-wolf form to run away.[/QUOTE]
The lanes are pushed so hard that you can never leave them alone. They will push by themselves because of the ridiculous damage the ranged creeps get. It`s well worth the farm limitation.
only the ranged creeps get the damage, it isnt like beastmaster or some shit
Drow isn't OP. Silencer's new fucking nuke is both a free Heaven's Halberd and a free Orchid. Seriously, that's not cool. It shuts down [i]everyone[/i], and it's spammable.
[QUOTE=Naught;38195366]only the ranged creeps get the damage, it isnt like beastmaster or some shit[/QUOTE]
Have you even been in a game with an enemy Drow Ranger? It`s like having mega ranged creeps without taking down the barracks. The creeps get their damage doubled just by Drow being in the game. It`s not fair or balanced in any way.
It`s like a Nature`s prophet that has to do absolutely nothing to push lanes.
[editline]26th October 2012[/editline]
And siege creeps get bonus damage as well.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;38195260]Well, think of it as a feature.
Before this, what was your "fear" of drow ?
For example, you were scared of Void because he could permabash, dodge nukes and ult all enemies with easy to position blink.
You were scared of spectre as dispersion could reach insane values when combined with survivaiblity.
You were scared of PL if his illusions reached "tough to kill" mark and had manaburn.
I find that Drow had nothing like that. Nothing remarkable outside of right-clicks. Even lycan had more with his wolves and what a not.[/QUOTE]
Drow's new aura shouldn't affect creeps, imo. It makes defending waaaay too hard unless you fill your team with counter-pushers.
[QUOTE=Number-41;38195077]I expected such an answer. Still I'd like to have some sort of camera behavior that is slightly more controlled than dashing your cursor to the edge of the screen and hoping you don't end up at the other end of the map. It's useful when you're getting chased or just need to be able to navigate quickly and precise. I don't want to lose my champ out of sight then.[/QUOTE]
Use WASD or ESDF for camera control then.
drow has too much pushing potential that lasts all game long.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;38195260]Well, think of it as a feature.
Before this, what was your "fear" of drow ?
For example, you were scared of Void because he could permabash, dodge nukes and ult all enemies with easy to position blink.
You were scared of spectre as dispersion could reach insane values when combined with survivaiblity.
You were scared of PL if his illusions reached "tough to kill" mark and had manaburn.
I find that Drow had nothing like that. Nothing remarkable outside of right-clicks. Even lycan had more with his wolves and what a not.[/QUOTE]
I am afraid of drow in the same way I was afraid of drow before.
I am afraid that drow lanes against the worst person in my team. The person always goes up to far. When drow harasses him, he immediately tries to run. The drow orb walks and gets first blood... And second blood... Then free farm.
Once drow has a level lead, the other team goes five man. At best we can get four people together. The dude who lost his lane to drow tries to start a teamfight, but gets silenced and slowed. He either dies alone and flames us or we join him and all die. Drow gets ridiculously fed. We win a single teamfight later on after everyone in Drow's team decides to go solo, but other than that the game is hopeless stomp.
This has happened to me several times.
screw drow with a rake, so annoying to play against
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;38195414]Drow isn't OP. Silencer's new fucking nuke is both a free Heaven's Halberd and a free Orchid. Seriously, that's not cool. It shuts down [I]everyone[/I], and it's spammable.[/QUOTE]
80 Agi and global aura with insane damage buff isnt OP? She can solo rosh with a helm of the dominator and Power Treads.
Finally got my first rare item!
[QUOTE=l l;38191054][IMG]http://puu.sh/1iSCj/0e5b921efe162407afc977b32ca9f043[/IMG]
ridiculous fucking game
bad team
premade enemy russians, terrible everything... but then I dropped a rare. :D[/QUOTE]
nice dagon
WHY
Time will tell, but I believe aura will last with creep effect.
It might get limited though, like with manacost for upkeep when it affects creeps or something.
4 legs is the new no legs.
[QUOTE=l l;38190765][IMG]http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/darkmagic_hair_large.png[/IMG]
no
no
NO
please don't put this in game valve[/QUOTE]
No ples it looks decent.
[url]http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1139590[/url]
Woah, that guy even did the numbers.
Aura is making a splash all around.
Centaur + tide would be funny
max speed tide just comes walking in, trampling the whole team, then just sends tentacles out to kill everyone
Vanguard on Gondar is pretty great, how did I never thought of that before?
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;38196284]Vanguard on Gondar is pretty great, how did I never thought of that before?[/QUOTE]
Old news. I've been doing VG/Phase/medallion or bottle / dps items since I've realised battlefury makes you a sissy gondar.
[QUOTE=Tokagero;38196387]Old news. I've been doing VG/Phase/medallion or bottle / dps items since I've realised battlefury makes you a sissy gondar.[/QUOTE]
Some cases battlefury isn't half bad on him, like when you need to farm/jungle faster or push lanes.
I'd still build perserevance into Linken's, but Bfury is always an option.
[QUOTE=Belivo;38196641]Some cases battlefury isn't half bad on him, like when you need to farm/jungle faster or push lanes.
I'd still build perserevance into Linken's, but Bfury is always an option.[/QUOTE]
Thing is, you wanna be walking around fighting and getting kills with track.
VG covers that marvelously by providing :
1. Hp regen = sustainability
2. Damage block = more fighting, even possible towerdiving
3. Gondar is naturally squishy = it fixes it slightly
BF provides cleave that is mostly wasted unless you are farming jungle, which shouldn't be he case most of the time. Linkens is good defensive option, but going for it early on might be a miss due to lack of damage it gives. VG is cheap comparatively and fits purpose of my gondar's playstyle, i.e. troublemaker.
Amulet is purely for finishing people off and manaregen if I happen to not be mid with bottle.
It works as long as kills can happen.
Does drows aura affect plague wards?
[QUOTE=Glent;38196745]Does drows aura affect plague wards?[/QUOTE]
No idea, but implications scare me.
Also, according to Dota 1, Spectre's illusions from Haunt should be proccing Stampede on their targets. They don't do that for now in Dota 2, but let's say they hotfix it...
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;38195414]Drow isn't OP. Silencer's new fucking nuke is both a free Heaven's Halberd and a free Orchid. Seriously, that's not cool. It shuts down [i]everyone[/i], and it's spammable.[/QUOTE]
Compare it to aoe level-and-forget 5 sec silence whenever someone casts a spell.
EVERYONE can counter the halberd effect pretty fast, and his old one was orchid 5 in that case.
This one is one target, has a cd, and only does 200 damage.
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