Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward.
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[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27164023]aka Black Hole Rayguns.[/QUOTE]
What about those Harlequin Eldar? Weapons that effectively put you through a strainer, slicing you apart, molecule by molecule? Yes please.
Just posted in the thread on Bnet. I think it's fairly descript as to my purposes.
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[QUOTE=Arachnidus;27165443]Actually, EXACTLY at the speed of light, barring environmental circumstances.[/QUOTE]
Like what? An atmosphere made entirely out of glass?
[QUOTE=Telepethi;27165473]I don't know if this has been posted yet, but:
While this is all true, it only touches on planetary combat. In the lore of the Halo universe, Covenant forces actually trying to take a planet via ground invasions is very rare. It's only happened to Reach, Earth, and maybe a few other planets. Not counting the Halo installations which are holy relics to them.
The Covenant's preferred method of conquest, since we have nothing they want aside from the rare forerunner artefacts, is to simply wipe out the fleet of technologically crippled human vessels and glass the planet from orbit.
This explains why their shortcomings are so obvious in the one part we see them most, the ground. Because that's not what their strong suit is. They're a, simply put, naval (space faring) collection of Races.
Granted, we don't know what their homeworlds look like. Maybe on their planets their armor is camouflaged. We also don't know if they even give off heat. We know their weapons do, but if you ask me most of the aliens in the Covenant seem like they would be cold blooded.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing that, being a heavily traditional theocracy, the Covenant military is likely not camouflaged. Millenia of hubris has basically made them into a gigantic, overwhelmingly prideful military built on tradition instead of practicality. Mainly because, so far, they've been able to plow their enemies with no thought whatsoever(the few they've had, anyway). Only the Elites and Hunters show military prowess of any sort.
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[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;27165528]Like what? An atmosphere made entirely out of glass?[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, I stated that wrong. The speed isn't limited, but in an atmosphere, the effectiveness is severely reduced due to atmospheric constraints such as dust, water vapor and other similar factors.
But yea we would pwn the covies so bad, we would just send a nuke into space and blow the shit out of there ships......war over. But the whole idea of aliens coming to earth is rediculous because the closest plane that could sustaine life is like 25 light years away. Even if they were at the closest planet traveling at 2 times light speed it would take them 12.5 years to get here. Howwould they sustaine food for a whole army on the way over for that, plus weapons and such, its just to much. Another thing about space travel is time, by the time they got back ( lets say with a 10 year war ) its going to be 34 years. But for the people back on their home planet it would be much longer. Generations would have past, this is something to do with space travel and speed and such. Thus being said f they had to attack another planet for resources or out of need their planet would probally already be dead. Maybe aliens cant even live 34 years to, or maybe they can ? So the whole idea of aliens coming here is just to unlikey, maybe in 300-1000 years when we figure out of to travel at the speed of light it will become clear
[QUOTE=Smokeeater;27165560]But yea we would pwn the covies so bad, we would just send a nuke into space and blow the shit out of there ships[/QUOTE]
Ok let me just stop you right there.
Nuclear devices don't have the same power in space as they do on Earth, because there is no atmosphere or pressure. What makes nuclear devices so powerful on Earth is their ability to super-heat the air and send pressure shockwaves through the atmosphere. There is no air to superheat in space, nor are there enough molecules to create a pressure shockwave. The only thing it would emit is radiation and maybe electromagnetism. I doubt that would 'blow the shit' out of their ships
[QUOTE=Smokeeater;27165560]But yea we would pwn the covies so bad, we would just send a nuke into space and blow the shit out of there ships......war over. But the whole idea of aliens coming to earth is rediculous because the closest plane that could sustaine life is like 25 light years away. Even if they were at the closest planet traveling at 2 times light speed it would take them 12.5 years to get here. Howwould they sustaine food for a whole army on the way over for that, plus weapons and such, its just to much. Another thing about space travel is time, by the time they got back ( lets say with a 10 year war ) its going to be 34 years. But for the people back on their home planet it would be much longer. Generations would have past, this is something to do with space travel and speed and such. Thus being said f they had to attack another planet for resources or out of need their planet would probally already be dead. Maybe aliens cant even live 34 years to, or maybe they can ? So the whole idea of aliens coming here is just to unlikey, maybe in 300-1000 years when we figure out of to travel at the speed of light it will become clear[/QUOTE]
Except that's all demolished by pretty much every major technology in the Halo series, like Slipstream drive, plasma weaponry, the physiological might of the Covenant and the good old "I give no shit" factor.
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[QUOTE=Telepethi;27165593]Ok let me just stop you right there.
Nuclear devices don't have the same power in space as they do on Earth, because there is no atmosphere or pressure. What makes nuclear devices so powerful on Earth is their ability to super-heat the air and send pressure shockwaves through the atmosphere. There is no air to superheat in space, nor are there enough molecules to create a pressure shockwave. The only thing it would emit is radiation and maybe electromagnetism. I doubt that would 'blow the shit' out of their ships[/QUOTE]
This too. Nukes in Halo are vacuum enhanced(not sure by what means, likely operating on different principles than the ones we use) and used only to destroy the shields of a Covenant vessel.
Not even that. In one of the novels a nuclear device used on a covenant vessel didn't even scratch it.
Which is funny, because for some strange reason, everybody thought it would be a good idea to keep using them, even well knowing they weren't all that effective.
I think it was stated in Ghosts of Onyx that there was actually a shortage of nukes and fissile materials.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27163505]Which negates his point still, but my reply was calculated to include the possibility that the tie fighter was in atmosphere at the time.[/QUOTE]
You took my post seriously, that's funny.
okokokokokkokokokok.............not a NUKE............but a large missle of some sort we have....or have made if its the future
The Covenant would still win because we'd get orbital bombarded.
Why fight on the ground when your space ships can do the fighting for you.
[QUOTE=CaptainSnake;27165881]The Covenant would still win because we'd get orbital bombarded.
Why fight on the ground when your space ships can do the fighting for you.[/QUOTE]
BECAUSE, the only reason to attack another planet is for RESOURCES, why attack a planet if you have no reason, waste alot of resources
or ther endangering you
[QUOTE=Smokeeater;27165850]okokokokokkokokokok.............not a NUKE............but a large missle of some sort we have....or have made if its the future[/QUOTE]
In the lore covenant shields have been known to survive the direct impact of multiple large scale Mac rounds. If I recall they even survived, once, the impact of another ship.
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[QUOTE=Smokeeater;27165912]BECAUSE, the only reason to attack another planet is for RESOURCES, why attack a planet if you have no reason, waste alot of resources
or ther endangering you[/QUOTE]
You know nothing of the lore in Halo.
The covenant attacked humanity because we are human. They believed we were vermin to be eradicated. They didn't want or need our resources. That's why they glassed all of the planets that didn't have forerunner relics
they had to keep humans and covenant balanced for multiplayer.
Plasma would melt through shit instantly.
Armor, flesh, shields (maybe).
The most common tactic adopted by UNSC field generals was to send teams of four to eight men in primary colored armor to engage the foe. The Covenant, who also thought this was lulzworthy, would send in teams of corresponding sizes with different primary colored armor to counter such attacks. Both sides would initially give their men inferior weapons, rewarding higher casualty counts with more powerful ordinance. By the end of such an engagement, both sides would realize the futility of such a prolonged conflict and agree to settle their disputes at a separate yet similar battlefield.
In the series of books they mention your point OP. The UNSC actually does win many of the ground based confrontations. It also explains how little of a match we are against the Covenant in space combat.
[QUOTE=Telepethi;27165962]In the lore covenant shields have been known to survive the direct impact of multiple large scale Mac rounds. If I recall they even survived, once, the impact of another ship.
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Yea because halo is a reatarded game, the first one was amazing but ive lost all respect once the company just started pumping out games for money, something valve didnt do. Sheilds are impossible....I think how would that even work, its not a physical thing....so explain sheilds to me.
You know nothing of the lore in Halo.
The covenant attacked humanity because we are human. They believed we were vermin to be eradicated. They didn't want or need our resources. That's why they glassed all of the planets that didn't have forerunner relics
[QUOTE=CaptainSnake;27165881]The Covenant would still win because we'd get orbital bombarded.
Why fight on the ground when your space ships can do the fighting for you.[/QUOTE]
BEcause glassing a planet usually means you can't harvest anything from it....except if you're trying to make the most epic stain glass ever.
[QUOTE=Tunak Mk. II;27166156]The most common tactic adopted by UNSC field generals was to send teams of four to eight men in primary colored armor to engage the foe. The Covenant, who also thought this was lulzworthy, would send in teams of corresponding sizes with different primary colored armor to counter such attacks. Both sides would initially give their men inferior weapons, rewarding higher casualty counts with more powerful ordinance. By the end of such an engagement, both sides would realize the futility of such a prolonged conflict and agree to settle their disputes at a separate yet similar battlefield.[/QUOTE]
I see what you did there.
[sp]You pretty much just summed up Invasion mode in Halo: Reach.[/sp]
[QUOTE=archangel125;27167769]I see what you did there.
[sp]You pretty much just summed up Invasion mode in Halo: Reach.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Pretty much summed up Halo Reach
I remember reading about a certain conflict in a Halo novel where a Covenant plasma salvo dissipated upon entering a debris field made up of tons of dust, metal, and other matter. Couldn't that be used as some sort of countermeasure?
Oh and fuck you guys, the Halo universe has all it needs right here:
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...oh fuck, what's that?
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Aww... :frown:
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[QUOTE=Arachnidus;27161145]To add salt to this wound, so to speak, plasma rounds basically make cover useless, as they'd rapidly burn through it. Armor as well.[/QUOTE]
Major problem with this, even though plasma will be burning at several million degrees it has a low heat density, meaning that it may be hot a fuck, but would cool in seconds to just a normal gas.
It would still burn and would devastate thin targets, but wouldn't have anywhere near enough heat to burn through let's say six inches of steel.
Look at the fusion reactors, only reason for containment is not damaging the reactor, although it would damage it a bit, the fusion reaction would fail due to the rapid drop in temperature.
All your shit would still be fucked up by the STROGG!!
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Who cares for casualties when you can simply reuse your dead enemies?
[QUOTE=zombini;27169459]Major problem with this, even though plasma will be burning at several million degrees it has a low heat density, meaning that it may be hot a fuck, but would cool in seconds to just a normal gas.
It would still burn and would devastate thin targets, but wouldn't have anywhere near enough heat to burn through let's say six inches of steel.
Look at the fusion reactors, only reason for containment is not damaging the reactor, although it would damage it a bit, the fusion reaction would fail due to the rapid drop in temperature.[/QUOTE]
You are overlooking the fact that the plasma weapons are automatic and have great rate of fire, and that even the semi automatics have incredible ROF, and by then firing rapidly on said six inches of steel, they could easily burn through it.
[QUOTE=Scar;27169769]All your shit would still be fucked up by the STROGG!!
Who cares for casualties when you can simply reuse your dead enemies?[/QUOTE]
Im not sure, but is that not exactly what the covenant does?
[QUOTE=elowin;27169788]You are overlooking the fact that the plasma weapons are automatic and have great rate of fire, and that even the semi automatics have incredible ROF, and by then firing rapidly on said six inches of steel, they could easily burn through it.[/QUOTE]I think you missed his point entirely. Plasma is incredibly lacking in density, usually less dense than air depending on the constituent substance(s). It's incredibly hot, but there's not a lot of that hot stuff to cause significant damage over distances.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;27169860]I think you missed his point entirely. Plasma is incredibly lacking in density, usually less dense than air depending on the constituent substance(s). It's incredibly hot, but there's not a lot of that hot stuff to cause significant damage over distances.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wikipedia;27169860]Frank O'Connor, Bungie's former public relations head, hinted that there may be something more to the Covenant's weaponry, saying "the actual technology is not plasma as we know it, but something far more dangerous, arcane, and destructive."[/QUOTE]
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