[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27174157]If your wearing guard armour or equivilant...possibly, fluff wise, but they're pretty much (gameplay terms) at the bottom of the pile in terms of dangerousness (of course, their dangerousness multiplies the more you have of them)[/QUOTE]
Considering the numbers they reach, if nothing else they'll give the enemy a seizure at least. A simple las pistol is probably more powerful than a Barret M107 though (but one is an energy weapon, the other relies on penetration and partially kinetic impact, so not really comaprable in power, but the las gun probably does more damage to living tissue).
[QUOTE=the_killer24;27174201][img_thumb]http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/4/43/Plasmalauncher_front.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
I lol'd when someone in the Bungie forums said you could take down an Apache with one of those. Suuure, if the Apache went into a hover less than twenty feet away, as opposed to three miles away.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27162359]i think we will use lasers[/QUOTE]
We'll use bullets wich we already are using
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[QUOTE=acds;27174202]Considering the numbers they reach, if nothing else they'll give the enemy a seizure at least. A simple las pistol is probably more powerful than a Barret M107 though (but one is an energy weapon, the other relies on penetration and partially kinetic impact, so not really comaprable in power, but the las gun probably does more damage to living tissue).[/QUOTE]
According to the fluff, actually, no, infact you'd prefer to get hit by a lasrifle, because the wounds self cauterize, meaning you don't bleed out. And no, a Las pistol is nowhere near a M107.
[QUOTE=acds;27174202]Considering the numbers they reach, if nothing else they'll give the enemy a seizure at least. A simple las pistol is probably more powerful than a Barret M107 though (but one is an energy weapon, the other relies on penetration and partially kinetic impact, so not really comaprable in power, but the las gun probably does more damage to living tissue).[/QUOTE]
A laspistol completely vaporized a three-foot-long space fish in one shot through water. Think about that.
[QUOTE=acds;27174202]Considering the numbers they reach, if nothing else they'll give the enemy a seizure at least. A simple las pistol is probably more powerful than a Barret M107 though (but one is an energy weapon, the other relies on penetration and partially kinetic impact, so not really comaprable in power, but the las gun probably does more damage to living tissue).[/QUOTE]
Not strictly true. A laser weapon will punch a very, very narrow hole in something, which won't necessarily be enough to kill it. If the laser can be sustained and swept across a target, and has enough energy to slice it in half, then that's a different matter. However, a .50 round will still shred a human being into ribbons of blood and meat (if it hits centre mass).
[QUOTE=the_killer24;27174248]A laspistol completely vaporized a three-foot-long space fish in one shot through water. Think about that.[/QUOTE]
Where was that mentioned?
the main thing here is it would'nt even matter so what we have more firepower then the convent. and if the covies cant take over the planet they'll just use the space lasers and turn the entire surface into molten glass. so what good will air support and ap (armor pearcing) rounds do if we cant fire then since the suface is nothing but molten glass?
Please stop posting.
[QUOTE=Eye of Terror, p116]Calliden came out of his mad, erotic trance. He plunged his hand inside his black tunic, noticing for the first time that it was wet through. Out came the laspistol. Calliden was unused to wielding weapons. It took him a moment or two to wrap his fist around the handgrip, release the safety, aim, and press the firing stud.
Steam bubbled all along the length of the laser beam as it hissed through the water. But it failed to reach Aegelica. Instead, it struck a fish, nearly a yard long, which at that moment had glided between them. The fish exploded as the water in its body turned to steam. Fragments of flesh, skin, and bone drifted to the sea bed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thenecronlord;27174284]the main thing here is it would'nt even matter so what we have more firepower then the convent. and if the covies cant take over the planet they'll just use the space lasers and turn the entire surface into molten glass. so what good will air support and ap (armor pearcing) rounds do if we cant fire then since the suface is nothing but molten glass?[/QUOTE]
Read the OP properly, see what I said at the end.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27174113]aka Flashlights.
[editline]3rd January 2011[/editline]
That's a Fuel Rod Gun, which isn't a plasma weapon.[/QUOTE]
They incinerate peoples limbs and their magazines can be recharged from fucking sunlight and heat.
Obviously you haven't done much with 40k or else you'd know that flashlight is a nickname for the lasgun.
[editline]3rd January 2011[/editline]
Also field-recharging with fires damages the cell.
Comparison of modern day weaponry with UNSC weaponry:
According to the Halo Encyclopaedia the following weapons posses these listed effective ranges, with the effective ranges of their real life counterparts marked beneath (with the year they were introduced listed in brackets):
1) UNSC MA5 Assault Rifle (2500): 300 meters
M-16 (1963): 550 meters
M4 carbine (1997): 500 meters
FN F2000 (2001): 500 meters
2) UNSC M41 Vulcan cannon (2500): 100 meters
GAU-8 Avenger (1977): 1.2 kilometres
M61 Vulcan (1959): 1.1 kilometres
3) UNSC M301 40 mm grenade launcher (2500): 30 meters, in comparison, modern soldiers are expected to be able to lob grenades 35 meters.
M203 under-barrel launcher (1969): 150 metres
4) UNSC .30 calibre light machine gun (2500): 30 metres
FN MAG (1958): 800 metres
M60 LMG: 1.1 kilometres
Um, yeah.
I find it hard to believe that the MA series can fire accurately past 30-50m, what with the complete lack of iron sights and all.
even though in the books the vehicles are technically superior, surely we would capture at least a few of them?
[QUOTE=elowin;27169906]*quote*[/QUOTE]Then it's not plasma, is it?
it's like the guys on bungie.net WANT humans to die
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27174244]According to the fluff, actually, no, infact you'd prefer to get hit by a lasrifle, because the wounds self cauterize, meaning you don't bleed out. And no, a Las pistol is nowhere near a M107.[/QUOTE]
But don't lasguns (or just lasweapons in general) cause a small explosion on contact? I [B]think[/B] I remember reading that somewhere (seems so, at least according to Lexicanum). Of course if you get hit on the arm, the .50cal will blow it off and you'll die of bleeding, a lasgun will cauterize the wound however big it is so chances are you'll live.
It's generally far easier to do damage with projectiles than lasers. Lasers diffract across distances, lose heat energy to the atmosphere in the way, then there's the self-cauterising and thus very localised tissue damage. Bullets do indeed lose kinetic energy over distances, but it doesn't require nearly as sophisticated tech nor the energy amounts required for a laser to do the same damage as your average 5.56 round. Personally, I think the far future of small arms lies with railguns or other such systems for launching projectiles with magnetism. Lasers have a great advantage in accuracy and speed, certainly, but you need to conquer the energy requirements, system heat dissipation, and diffraction problems first.
[QUOTE=archangel125;27174251]Not strictly true. A laser weapon will punch a very, very narrow hole in something, which won't necessarily be enough to kill it. If the laser can be sustained and swept across a target, and has enough energy to slice it in half, then that's a different matter. However, a .50 round will still shred a human being into ribbons of blood and meat (if it hits centre mass).[/QUOTE]
Depends on how the target reacts to the high heat increase though (might react like termite on ice). According to the WH40k explanation of how it works:
[quote]Laser weapons emit a highly focused beam of light. The short duration high energy beam produces such a rapid temperature change on the target's surface that it vaporises in a small explosion. [/quote]
I'm not sure if that is what realistically would happen, but I guess that enough liquids and solids becoming gasses in a small enough time would cause something similar to an explosion (but again, would they be enough to make something that could be even compared to an explosion?).
[editline]3rd January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;27177278]It's generally far easier to do damage with projectiles than lasers. Lasers diffract across distances, lose heat energy to the atmosphere in the way, then there's the self-cauterising and thus very localised tissue damage. Bullets do indeed lose kinetic energy over distances, but it doesn't require nearly as sophisticated tech nor the energy amounts required for a laser to do the same damage as your average 5.56 round. Personally, I think the far future of small arms lies with railguns or other such systems for launching projectiles with magnetism. Lasers have a great advantage in accuracy and speed, certainly, but you need to conquer the energy requirements, system heat dissipation, and diffraction problems first.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, lasers (and other energy weapons) aren't viable for now and probably won't be for long time. If we manage to make an efficient fusion reactor that you can hold in your pocket, then they'll become viable, before that we simply can't power them.
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27174492]Comparison of modern day weaponry with UNSC weaponry:
According to the Halo Encyclopaedia the following weapons posses these listed effective ranges, with the effective ranges of their real life counterparts marked beneath (with the year they were introduced listed in brackets):
1) UNSC MA5 Assault Rifle (2500): 300 meters
M-16 (1963): 550 meters
M4 carbine (1997): 500 meters
FN F2000 (2001): 500 meters
2) UNSC M41 Vulcan cannon (2500): 100 meters
GAU-8 Avenger (1977): 1.2 kilometres
M61 Vulcan (1959): 1.1 kilometres
3) UNSC M301 40 mm grenade launcher (2500): 30 meters, in comparison, modern soldiers are expected to be able to lob grenades 35 meters.
M203 under-barrel launcher (1969): 150 metres
4) UNSC .30 calibre light machine gun (2500): 30 metres
FN MAG (1958): 800 metres
M60 LMG: 1.1 kilometres
Um, yeah.[/QUOTE]
Wow, it's like in the several hundred years before the Halo games, the military got taken over by retarded chimps and I'm not joking at ALL.
Also, there's no denying that the Star Wars Empire would be a VERY dangerous threat. (i'm using the Empire because the Empire was an actual primarily Military power ruling through force while the good guys like the Old Republic and New Republic were Democracies) unlike the UNSC AND Covenant, the Empire excels at Ground AND Space combat.
This is the best thread ever. Of all time.
If I remember correctly the Covenant only design their weapons on the Forerunners and only the Forerunners. They never modify it or try new designs. Humans on the other hand do the opposite and I guess you could call that an advantage ,because the humans were willing to experiment.
[QUOTE=loco;27177577]If I remember correctly the Covenant only design their weapons on the Forerunners and only the Forerunners. They never modify it or try new designs. Humans on the other hand do the opposite and I guess you could call thought an advantage ,because the humans were willing to experiment.[/QUOTE]
Of course, as long as we don't end up destroying ourselves. Our ability to experiment, invent, and improve is very powerful.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27177641]Of course, as long as we don't end up destroying ourselves. Our ability to experiment, invent, and improve is very powerful.[/QUOTE]
Makes me wonder if there is life out there that trys new things the way we do?
[QUOTE=loco;27177698]Makes me wonder if there is life out there that trys new things the way we do?[/QUOTE]
Maybe. As Star Wars accurately shows, not every single species we meet will have a society, logic, biology, or intelligence anything like ours.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27177641]Of course, as long as we don't end up destroying ourselves. Our ability to experiment, invent, and improve is very powerful.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't Cortana able to "calibrate" a Covenant Cruiser so it was able to basically kick the ass of anything the Covenant threw at it? I think they even mention in the Halo Books that the tech the Covenant uses could be updated and modified, but they keep using highly inefficient (from what they can be) weapons and shields simply because anything else would be heresy?
[QUOTE=BmB;27173758] the only place on the Internet that is more immature than FP.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BmB;27173758] the only place on the Internet [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BmB;27173758] the only place [/QUOTE]
Um... not?
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27177447]
Also, there's no denying that the Star Wars Empire would be a VERY dangerous threat. (i'm using the Empire because the Empire was an actual primarily Military power ruling through force while the good guys like the Old Republic and New Republic were Democracies) unlike the UNSC AND Covenant, the Empire excels at Ground AND Space combat.
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So since when were we talking about the Empire?
I remember reading on the halo wiki that the covie carbine can really fuck shit up.
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