Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward. - Games

[QUOTE=Zethiwag;27160401]Also the human tech is weird - in 500 years, do you think we would really still be using bullets? And there are no hoverboards or flying cars[/QUOTE] I don't see why kinetic projectiles would fall out of use. Mass is abundant and accelerating it is simple. What incentive is there to change to anything else?

Also, some dumbass decided it was a good idea to have lumbering behemoths to be the only practical gunship.

Now I think about it, using plasma in weapons is almost useless - it looks pretty, it hurts upon impact, and... that's about it.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;27160872]I don't see why kinetic projectiles would fall out of use. Mass is abundant and accelerating it is simple. What incentive is there to change to anything else?[/QUOTE] Because laser beams are cool :downs: Really though, there's not much reason for lasers to be the staple of the future unless there's some magical breakthrough in defensive technology that makes bullets utterly worthless. Also, the entire premise of Battletech is utterly silly, no matter how much I LOVE it. Bipedal mechs would be unbalanced and clunky, and far more susceptible to kinetic projectiles than they are portrayed as being.

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160921]Now I think about it, using plasma in weapons is almost useless - it looks pretty, it hurts upon impact, and... that's about it.[/QUOTE] It causes damage by burning for a few seconds or minutes after hitting something. One plasma shot to the chest would have enormous consequences to the victim. [editline]3rd January 2011[/editline] I like how we all have theories on this. And we are presenting them, and have a nice argument without much flaming.

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[QUOTE=shadow_of_intent;27160949]It causes damage by burning for a few seconds or minutes after hitting something. One plasma shot to the chest would have enormous consequences to the victim.[/QUOTE] Aye. That said, it does nothing a bullet can't. A rifle bullet hitting someone in the chest will tumble, grab the victim's innards as it passes through the body, and spray them out his/her/its back. That's why exit wounds are always much bigger than entrance wounds. 7.62 rounds do this especially well.

This was actually a topic of great discussion in the Halo thread a few versions back.

Also, if you read the books, it's noted otherwise; humans DO have a wide array of weapons and vehicles not seen in the games that allow for incredibly successful ground campaigns against the Covenant. However, it doesn't matter, because the space battles are one sided, and the Covenant just do an orbital bombardment when things go south.

[QUOTE=MasterG;27161089]Post this on the bungie forums: I fucking dare you.[/QUOTE] Will do. Stand by for link.

[QUOTE=archangel125;27161047]Aye. That said, it does nothing a bullet can't. A rifle bullet hitting someone in the chest will tumble, grab the victim's innards as it passes through the body, and spray them out his/her/its back. That's why exit wounds are always much bigger than entrance wounds. 7.62 rounds do this especially well.[/QUOTE] Unless they're hollow points, which basically rip themselves apart inside the target.

After dinner. [editline]7:56PM[/editline] Broke mah automerge.

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;27161121]Unless they're hollow points, which basically rip themselves apart inside the target.[/QUOTE] To add salt to this wound, so to speak, plasma rounds basically make cover useless, as they'd rapidly burn through it. Armor as well.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;27161145]To add salt to this wound, so to speak, plasma rounds basically make cover useless, as they'd rapidly burn through it. Armor as well.[/QUOTE] Since when does plasma burn through everything!? No really, I'm not a big Halo person, I'd like to know.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;27161041][img_thumb]http://gyazo.com/617c6573fd353fe769bee27aed06f944.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] With mounted turrents with unlimited ammo :eng101:

I think people are getting mixed up here: Plasma is actually a superheated substance, not just energy. Being hit by a lump of plasma would be like having molten iron splattered all over your face; it would take a significant amount of time to cool down, it would *baconize you and would be pretty hard to protect against with anything other that really heavy body armor. *Also, i'm trying to turn Baconized into a verb. That was, burn victims would be cheered up by the fact that they are "baconized" rather than "disfigured"

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;27161200]Since when does plasma burn through everything!? No really, I'm not a big Halo person, I'd like to know.[/QUOTE] In the books and comics(also, even if you look at the game, plasma weapons in Halo 1 blasted debris off the walls when shot), it was said that plasma bolts would shear off armor layers and concrete. Likely most of it was just artistic, but it's noted.

[QUOTE=MasterG;27161329]Oh please god no, I was eating a bacon sandwich when I read that, and now It tastes weird.[/QUOTE] Baconized :buddy:

[QUOTE=archangel125;27161047]Aye. That said, it does nothing a bullet can't. A rifle bullet hitting someone in the chest will tumble, grab the victim's innards as it passes through the body, and spray them out his/her/its back. That's why exit wounds are always much bigger than entrance wounds. 7.62 rounds do this especially well.[/QUOTE] yes, but think of the size of those plasma shots. Even the smallest one is the size of your fist, so getting hit by one would easily leave a fist size hole right through your chest. Bullets wounds can be treated and survivable if treated quickly. A fist sized hole in your chest would drain alot of blood extremely quickly. Not to mention the intense pain you would suffer from basically having super heated lava in your chest.

[QUOTE=MasterG;27161483]I feel like i'm eating burns victims :smith:[/QUOTE] Happy processed burn victims are now in your tummy

[QUOTE=shadow_of_intent;27161476]yes, but think of the size of those plasma shots. Even the smallest one is the size of your fist, so getting hit by one would easily leave a fist size hole right through your chest. Bullets wounds can be treated and survivable if treated quickly. A fist sized hole in your chest would drain alot of blood extremely quickly. Not to mention the intense pain you would suffer from basically having super heated lava in your chest.[/QUOTE] On the bright side, the wound would be instantly cauterized, so there's that. Don't even wanna think about how bad a needler round messes someone up...shrapnel, and all that explosive force? Baconizing would be a pleasure in comparison.

I'm pretty sure the plasma weapons in Halo have a solid center and were actually guided. And I can personally assure you, if someone ever invents a weapon that can fire bullets that emit plasma like that, armour would become pretty much useless and even hazardous. I mean, I have a plasma cutter that can cut through over 25mm of steel and it absolutely sprays molten steel out of the material it cuts, and well, mine was made in the 20th century. But there are other things about Halo that aren't correct, such as the ammunition capacity of the assault rifle and probably other guns as well. I mean, maybe there are advances that allow for a lesser volume of propellant for the bullets but the MA75B can only fit 7.62x51mm bullets in the magazine. The gun looks functionally impossible but I actually came up with an internal mechanism for it, one of these days I'll probably build that mechanism and become the next Eugene Stoner. I've always thought it would be tons of fun to make an ArmA 2 mod though, make everything plausibly realistic. Increase the velocity of the covenant weapons for example. I've always found plausible realism and SciFi games to be more interesting and lots of fun.

there's complete radio silence in halo lol

Used to be a huge Halo Fanboy, I admit, I do like halo's story. I don't know why. I just always wondered, if the Coveneant was a religious group, how they had enough money to fund so much shit into the war

[QUOTE=ThePuska;27160872]I don't see why kinetic projectiles would fall out of use. Mass is abundant and accelerating it is simple. What incentive is there to change to anything else?[/QUOTE] Well, if I understand energy weapons correctly, the lack of mass would mean no recoil and recoil is one of the biggest problems of modern weapons.

[QUOTE=CommanderMayhem;27161754]Used to be a huge Halo Fanboy, I admit, I do like halo's story. I don't know why. I just always wondered, if the Coveneant was a religious group, how they had enough money to fund so much shit into the war[/QUOTE] i don't think they had to pay anyone and if they did it was because they had so many planets and races under their control to fund them

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27161772]Well, if I understand energy weapons correctly, the lack of mass would mean no recoil and recoil is one of the biggest problems of modern weapons.[/QUOTE] [quote=Wikipedia]When the rifle is fired, gas is tapped from the gas port to enter the gas tube, driving the bolt carrier to the rear and the counter-recoil upper rail forward. The critical timing of the reciprocating parts is accomplished by a star-shaped sprocket that links and synchronizes both components, causing both to reach their maximum extension, or null point where forces are exactly equal, at exactly the same instant. The felt recoil is therefore eliminated, enhancing accuracy and assisting control during fully automatic fire. [/quote] Recoil problems? Not so problematic. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CommanderMayhem;27161754]Used to be a huge Halo Fanboy, I admit, I do like halo's story. I don't know why. I just always wondered, if the Coveneant was a religious group, how they had enough money to fund so much shit into the war[/QUOTE] Religion and government may be the same thing for the Covenant society.

[QUOTE=MasterG;27161115]A lot cheaper to produce than plasma rounds too.[/QUOTE] yep.

This thread is just one big informative rating.

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;27161805]Religion and government may be the same thing for the Covenant society[/QUOTE] Yeah, think of it like government in the Dark Ages,where the Church was practically the government. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=shadow_of_intent;27161834]This thread is just one big informative rating.[/QUOTE] I'm not a Halo fan, i don't even play the Halo games and I find this thread VERY interesting.