Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward. - Games

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;27161101]Also, if you read the books, it's noted otherwise; humans DO have a wide array of weapons and vehicles not seen in the games that allow for incredibly successful ground campaigns against the Covenant. However, it doesn't matter, because the space battles are one sided, and the Covenant just do an orbital bombardment when things go south.[/QUOTE] To summarize, this^

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27161853]I'm not a Halo fan, i don't even play the Halo games[/QUOTE] Nor do I, I just love hard sci-fi and theorizing.

[QUOTE=shadow_of_intent;27161476]A fist sized hole in your chest would drain alot of blood extremely quickly. Not to mention the intense pain you would suffer from basically having super heated lava in your chest.[/QUOTE] Well, it depends if the plasma is hot or not (I'm making an assumption). Think of it like Star Wars, where the Lightsabers are so hot that when they cut off body parts they instantly seal the wound because of their heat. Therefore, no bleeding.

From what I remember, the Military was in shambles.

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;27161910]Nor do I, I just love hard sci-fi and theorizing.[/QUOTE] Yeah, though I usually do this type of theorizing about Star war and Star trek. (Mostly Star Wars). Actually Star Wars isn't THAT unrealistic when it comes to weapons because they actually explained their weapon system for the blasters in a book I read and it's very interesting.

[QUOTE=Arachnidus;27161064]This was actually a topic of great discussion in the Halo thread a few versions back.[/QUOTE] And other about how the games don't line up and tech is all backwards. *Cough* BmB *Cough*

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27161932]Well, it depends if the plasma is hot or not (I'm making an assumption). Think of it like Star Wars, where the Lightsabers are so hot that when they cut off body parts they instantly seal the wound because of their heat. Therefore, no bleeding.[/QUOTE] That might be the case then. But even if there isnt any bleeding, the searing pain and shock would cause death quickly anyway.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27161932]Well, it depends if the plasma is hot or not (I'm making an assumption). Think of it like Star Wars, where the Lightsabers are so hot that when they cut off body parts they instantly seal the wound because of their heat. Therefore, no bleeding.[/QUOTE] yeah but you'll still die when the plasma melts your internal organs lol

[QUOTE=shadow_of_intent;27161476]yes, but think of the size of those plasma shots. Even the smallest one is the size of your fist, so getting hit by one would easily leave a fist size hole right through your chest. Bullets wounds can be treated and survivable if treated quickly. A fist sized hole in your chest would drain alot of blood extremely quickly. Not to mention the intense pain you would suffer from basically having super heated lava in your chest.[/QUOTE] It'd cauterize the wound too. That stops bleeding smart guy.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27161705]there's complete radio silence in halo lol[/QUOTE] Telepathy :ms:

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27161964]in a book I read[/QUOTE] Nobody reads those though, everyone seems to assume the movies are the be-all-end-all authority of Star Wars matters, when they really just skim the surface of the universe.

[QUOTE=shadow_of_intent;27161981]That might be the case then. But even if there isnt any bleeding, the searing pain and shock would cause death quickly anyway.[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that bleeding isn't a problem. So if they hit your arm for example, it would be like havign your arm cut off in Star Wars, where you wouldn't need ANY medical treatment.

Try shooting plasma out of a gun without burning yourself in the process It's gas with free electrons. It'll react to magnetic fields but otherwise it's like hot air. It'll dissipate very quickly in atmospheric conditions, and it's not very dense - despite its immense temperature it carries very little energy. I can make plasma with my microwave, and it takes no more energy than boiling a cup of water.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27162035]I'm just saying that bleeding isn't a problem. So if they hit your arm for example, it would be like havign your arm cut off in Star Wars, where you wouldn't need ANY medical treatment.[/QUOTE] Aside from getting an awesome robotic arm. I do wonder, does anyone know what fuels those prosthetics? I can't imagine them actually being physically attached to the tendons.

[QUOTE=ThePuska;27162040]Try shooting plasma out of a gun without burning yourself in the process It's gas with free electrons. It'll react to magnetic fields but otherwise it's like hot air. It'll dissipate very quickly in atmospheric conditions, and it's not very dense - despite its immense temperature it carries very little energy. I can make plasma with my microwave, and it takes no more energy than boiling a cup of water.[/QUOTE] yeah but they have shields

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;27162030]Nobody reads those though, everyone seems to assume the movies are the be-all-end-all authority of Star Wars matters, when they really just skim the surface of the universe.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it was a book on the Weapons and technology of the Star Wars universe. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=InvisibleTed;27162055]Aside from getting a :krad: robotic arm.[/QUOTE] Yep, you would need one but you wouldn't need any IMMEDIATE treatment. You would still be able to live. Look at Luke in Star wars, his hand was cut off and he wasn't dying. Several hours after it was cut off he got his new hand.

[QUOTE=Capn'Underpants;27162006]It'd cauterize the wound too. That stops bleeding smart guy.[/QUOTE] Look 2 posts above you, then post.

Having dabbled in Halo (ODST) roleplay, the plasma was essentially detailed as above - extremely hot, burns through materials like armor quickly, and cauterizes wounds. As a corpsman in said roleplay, I had to stabilize wounded marines and ODSTs by removing the clothing from their burnt flesh and using a sort of biofoam or something to die the burn down and then try to close the wound up. Basically, getting hit by plasma while unarmored meant you were a goner, and even armored soldiers got torn up badly. While the games lack these details (your fellow soldiers will scream in pain but just leak out blood from damage when the blood would be cauterized), the books follow through if not without much detail about medical procedures of how to treat injuries from such weapons. Add in the plasma shielding of the Elites and such, take away all the silly vehicles, and chances are the Covenant would win a foot battle unless the Human forces used some damn good tactics.

[QUOTE=shadow_of_intent;27162095]Look 2 posts above you, then post.[/QUOTE] Someone said it above me too.

[QUOTE=Capn'Underpants;27162006]It'd cauterize the wound too. That stops bleeding smart guy.[/QUOTE] You'd still have to deal with a big ass hole in your chest.

[QUOTE=Onyx3173;27162139]You'd still have to deal with a big ass hole in your chest.[/QUOTE] It depends on how big and powerful the blast is and where they hit you. (I know that in this context, you're hit in the chest)

[QUOTE=Onyx3173;27162139]You'd still have to deal with a big ass hole in your chest.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ThePuska;27162040]Try shooting plasma out of a gun without burning yourself in the process It's gas with free electrons. It'll react to magnetic fields but otherwise it's like hot air. It'll dissipate very quickly in atmospheric conditions, and it's not very dense - despite its immense temperature it carries very little energy. I can make plasma with my microwave, and it takes no more energy than boiling a cup of water.[/QUOTE] Also retoasting that second quote for this page, I find it informative.

[QUOTE=InvisibleTed;27162157]Also retoasting that second quote for this page, I find it informative.[/QUOTE] So let's assume that in the future we don't use plasma and we use something like in Star Wars?

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27162182]So let's assume that in the future we don't use plasma and we use something like in Star Wars?[/QUOTE] im p sure starwars uses plasma too it's not a laser but it burns you from the inside and stormtroopers armors arent meant to withstand direct blaster blasts but shield them from the enviroment

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27162182]So let's assume that in the future we don't use plasma and we use something like in Star Wars?[/QUOTE] Mass Effect actually pointed out the most likely path that heavy weapons will take - railguns, basically. Magnetically accelerated projectiles. Boom.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27162194]im p sure starwars uses plasma too[/QUOTE] Nope. From Wookiepedia, which summarizes what was in all the Star Wars books explaining it: "Lasers were generated by introducing energy to a medium, the substance used to generate the beams. Tibanna gas was a frequently favored medium. When an atom of the medium was excited by energy, one or more of its electrons would "jump" to a higher energy level. When the atom stabilized (the point at which the electrons return to their original energy levels), a photon was released. A photon was a "packet" of energy that traveled in both a wave-like and a particulate manner, giving it a high energy level, as well as a high damage rating. Some types of sniper rifles fired invisible bolts of energy by using a special type of blaster gas. This weapon was very useful for acting from concealment, especially if the user were wearing a portable stealth field generator or sound dampener." See, that fits into the laws of physics, right?

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27162182]So let's assume that in the future we don't use plasma and we use something like in Star Wars?[/QUOTE] We'll use whatever is the most effective yet cost-proficient. Plasma may become that, or we may find some new material. Surely using plasma-based weaponry could be less costly than bullets, but it would be even more dangerous to operate than a modern gun with the safety off (basically imagine if overheating the Halo Plasma Rifle burned your hand off).

[QUOTE=RikohZX;27162216]We'll use whatever is the most effective yet cost-proficient. Plasma may become that, or we may find some new material. Surely using plasma-based weaponry could be less costly than bullets, but it would be even more dangerous to operate than a modern gun with the safety off (basically imagine if overheating the Halo Plasma Rifle burned your hand off).[/QUOTE] Well the weapons in Star Wars (blasters) just cause serious burns if the blast isn't too powerful.

So we are on topic of Star Wars now? I know shit all about that :saddowns:

[QUOTE=archangel125;27162202]Mass Effect actually pointed out the most likely path that heavy weapons will take - railguns, basically. Magnetically accelerated projectiles. Boom.[/QUOTE] Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.