Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward. - Games

Spartans don't mind saving humanity, why would anyone? It's not like there's such a thing as normal life with the threat of annihilation constantly looming.

I stand by my opinion that Master Chief is a lame name.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27225553]I wouldn't wall the Mjolnir armor very useful or practical, since it severly injures any normal human who attempts to wear it (because apparently, only Spartans can handle it). [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] Really, if I had a choice, I'd take the trusty ol' HEV suit, or the Crysis Nanosuit.[/QUOTE] those are still powered suits i mean powered suits in general, even iron man cuz iron mans suit is pretty badass if it wasn't gold and orange

Annihilation seemed to be a common thing, with the rebels and all.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27225737]I stand by my opinion that Master Chief is a lame name.[/QUOTE] i agree it looks almost like master chef

[QUOTE=BmB;27210333]Actually I'm told both derive ideas from the same scientist who wrote some book at some point in the past, except niven is a cocksucker with only crazy cultists to dollow him and bungie actually makes good stories that become popular. I also didn't see when drawing inspiration from things you think are cool was illegal, I must have missed that law.[/QUOTE] Ouch, just saying they're similar is all. Besides, ringworld is pretty different from halo anyways. it's much bigger and surrounds a star and has those shadow square things to simulate night and day.

Samus's suit is by far the best though. [img]http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/176/4/b/Samus_Aran_by_jdillon82.jpg[/img] I'm gonna get raged on, but she could kick Master Chief's ass any day.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27225866]Samus's suit is by far the best though. [img_thumb]http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/176/4/b/Samus_Aran_by_jdillon82.jpg[/img_thumb] I'm gonna get raged on, but she could kick Master Chief's ass any day.[/QUOTE] I believe that there's actually a video on this subject. Let me find it. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL-mR79GErU[/media] But then it turns out master chief is a girl for some reason.... Whatever.

In the future, it is entirely likely that IR, microwave, or similar laser beams will be used as weaponry. This is a double-whammy, because sufficient temperatures could ionize the air around the laser beam, effectively creating a, uh, plasma beam. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] Partly because of the whole infinite range deal (as long as the beam had proper focalisation) and almost immediate travel [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] So less plasma more laser

[QUOTE=froztshock;27225962]I believe that there's actually a video on this subject. Let me find it. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL-mR79GErU[/media] But then it turns out master chief is a girl for some reason.... Whatever.[/QUOTE] That video is very unrealistic, because in reality the battle wouldn't last nearly that long (MC would be curbstomped with ease.)

UNSC frigates have Shiva Nuclear Warhead Missiles on them. [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Shiva-class_Nuclear_Missile]Those will fuck shit up.[/url]

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27226085]That video is very unrealistic, because in reality the battle wouldn't last nearly that long (MC would be curbstomped with ease.)[/QUOTE] Yeah, but to be fair samus' suit is kinda cheating. It doesn't really operate on any known technology. It's just kinda like "Oh yeah, it's chozo so it can dissolve into nothing at any time and then pop back on later, and it can install new components on the fly instantly." It's just so far beyond anything that the humans have in most other sci-fi universes.

[QUOTE=froztshock;27226207]Yeah, but to be fair samus' suit is kinda cheating. It doesn't really operate on any known technology. It's just kinda like "Oh yeah, it's chozo so it can dissolve into nothing at any time and then pop back on later, and it can install new components on the fly instantly." It's just so far beyond anything that the humans have in most other sci-fi universes.[/QUOTE] True, but it's balanced in game, because you fight enemies that are designed to match your weaponry,

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27226260]True, but it's balanced in game, because you fight enemies that are designed to match your weaponry,[/QUOTE] Pretty much why most of the time when human marines are around in metroid games they're totally outmatched (except for maybe those PED troopers in corruption)

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27225823]i agree it looks almost like master chef[/QUOTE] He makes a magnificent grunt soup. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Xolo;27226000]In the future, it is entirely likely that IR, microwave, or similar laser beams will be used as weaponry. This is a double-whammy, because sufficient temperatures could ionize the air around the laser beam, effectively creating a, uh, plasma beam. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] Partly because of the whole infinite range deal (as long as the beam had proper focalisation) and almost immediate travel [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] So less plasma more laser[/QUOTE] Well if you do notice the Forerunner (sentinel) weapons are these kinds of death beams of unknown range that just rip through everything. Mounted on intelligent, fully autonomous heavily armored unmanned aerial platforms even. And this is presumably their equivalent of small arms. I'm not even sure the kind of tech the Covenant use for weapons was even intended for it. They don't know a whole lot about how things work they just know enough to put it to use. The problem with energy weapons is you have to generate the energy for them to be even remotely effective. Whereas firearms derive from chemical and kinetic energy directly. This is no problem for near godlike lost civilisations and the covenant, but I don't think humanity has mastered that sort of energy levels yet. And no I don't think we will in just 500 years.

The IQ of any person reading the thread in OP's link to the haloforums decreases by the amount of your decimal height. "HURRRR DIS COVNANT PLASMA WEPON MAEKS IMMENSE DAMAGE SO IT EASILY KILSL APACHE I WIN HURR" I mean, what the fuck, it's not about damage you dumb shits, it's about range, speed of target, munition guidance, and targeting system for crying out loud. In the time the plasma projectile reaches Apache's former position, it has flew far over the horizont. This is what I would say if I were to register there, but if I would do that, by the end of the day I would have been permabanned in every possible way several times.

I always wanted to know what happened to MC. Last we saw him he was drifting towards a planet. I wonder if a book or something will be made to reveal what happened to him, I hate cliffhangers.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27225657]I realize his actual title is John-117. But they never actual refer to him as such in game (unless I'm mistaken). [/QUOTE] If I remember Cortana Calls him John and in Reach they refer to him as John-117

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160425]Well, yeah. But look at Mass Effect. That was a game - and yet all the tech was really improved by a great degree.[/QUOTE] But we can destroy anything with ONE hit of a sledgeshammer. ONE. It normally takes two.

Remake halo with the OP's points taken into consideration would be hilarious

[QUOTE=BmB;27226454] Well if you do notice the Forerunner (sentinel) weapons are these kinds of death beams of unknown range that just rip through everything. Mounted on intelligent, fully autonomous heavily armored unmanned aerial platforms even. And this is presumably their equivalent of small arms. [/QUOTE] Which have a horrendously short range and can be destroyed in about a magazine of standard rifle fire.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27223378]They still got the exact same treatment. It's still a weapon system. When Crossbows were first made in Europe (Yuh know, like in the Dark Ages or whatever) some people wanted the Crossbow completely banned because it was "cowardly" and killed in a way that was very new at the time, just like Chemical Weapons like gas used in WW1. Don't forget that the Crossbow had a MUCH better range and a LOT more power than the Longbow, the bow of choice in Europe at the time.[/QUOTE] Uhh, no it didn't. AFAIK, I remember reading about a conflict between the English and the French that the French lost because English longbows had bigger range than the French crossbows.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27195258] Anyone know if armor lock is even canon or is it just for gameplay, there is a different kind of "armor lock" used by Master chief and Jorge (Jorge tells Noble 6 to use it on Tip of the Spear but doesnt and ends up being thrown out the falcon) which makes the armor go into a lockdown that stops the movement of joints to avoid injury[/QUOTE] Canon for spartans, in the beginning on Halo 3, when the marines find master Chief, the marine inspecting his armour mentions that it's locked or something similiar like that

[QUOTE=the_killer24;27228393]Which have a horrendously short range and can be destroyed in about a magazine of standard rifle fire.[/QUOTE] They're hardly even meant for combat Forerunner spacecraft give a better sense of the weaponry they had, that shit is just OP [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27225866]Samus's suit is by far the best though. [img_thumb]http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/176/4/b/Samus_Aran_by_jdillon82.jpg[/img_thumb] I'm gonna get raged on, but she could kick Master Chief's ass any day.[/QUOTE] They're the same character how do you not know this

[QUOTE=BmB;27225612]It only does that if you are an idiot and don't use the system designed to keep it from doing just that. Halsey laments the accident in the Journal referencing exactly this.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it does it to normal humans because their reaction time isn't fast enough to keep with the armour, hence the need for the reactions upgrade on the spartans.

[QUOTE=the_killer24;27223783]Ninja, the Scorpion uses a hilariously underpowered cannon firing APBC rounds (which were used in WW2).[/QUOTE] Your forgetting this is 500 years in the future. A 90mm in the future would be more devastating than a 120mm today. Also why would you need armour piercing when covenant vehicles are tin cans. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27223799]Even though I like Halo, 'Master Chief' is one of the most lame names ever, in any video game. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] If you are talking about range, I got these figures from the Halopedia: Halo MA5 Assault Rifle Range: 300 metres From Wikipedia: M14 Range: 460 - 800 metres[/QUOTE] Halopedia isnt a legit source. If you made one in real life it would be more than 300 meters. The source Halopedia used were most likely Jenkins sight adjustments but that doesnt mean to say it has more of an effective range than what the sights go up to.

[QUOTE=the_killer24;27228393]Which have a horrendously short range and can be destroyed in about a magazine of standard rifle fire.[/QUOTE] Don't forget that the sentinels weren't designed to fight Humans or Covenant, they were designed to suppress the Flood. [QUOTE=Samiam22;27228857]Uhh, no it didn't. AFAIK, I remember reading about a conflict between the English and the French that the French lost because English longbows had bigger range than the French crossbows.[/QUOTE] Actually it is the other way around, crossbows have a longer range than longbows. [QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27232607]Your forgetting this is 500 years in the future. A 90mm in the future would be more devastating than a 120mm today. Also why would you need armour piercing when covenant vehicles are tin cans.[/QUOTE] I doubt the Scorpion is the only kind of tank they had as well, just the only kind that appears in the games. I could just be a sort of "Airborne" tank seeing as they're carried on board ships and transported by Pelicans.

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160345]Naturally, the Halo games were optimized for the sake of gameplay and not hypothetical realism. But here's why Covenant tech would still be no match for the military technology of today in a confrontation. 1. Covenant projectiles are very, very visible, and travel much more slowly than bullets (for the most part). This would allow human troops to pinpoint the location of enemy forces almost instantly and call in artillery support. 2. Covenant vehicles are unwieldy and underpowered. Wraith tank? No problem. Get an A-10 Warthog or an AH-64 Apache to lase and destroy it from eight kilometers off with a single Maverick or Hellfire missile. The 30mm cannons (which fire explosive armor-piercing shells) of both the above would shred the tank from two kilometers away just as easily - and less expensively. The Scarab could be wiped out instantly by a 2,000lb JDAM dropped from a fast jet a mile up, and guided in by infantry with a laser designator from a safe distance away. Banshees, phantoms and seraphs could be killed from four kilometers away with basic shoulder-launched SAMs, ten to twenty kilometers with AAMs, a kilometer with an AA gun, and from hundreds of kilometers away with any sophisticated radar-guided missile. 3. The Covenant don't know the meaning of 'camouflage'. Flourescent glossy personnel armor and vehicles with glowing components can be spotted from miles away by anyone with sharp enough eyes. Active camouflage would be a great threat to infantry that are not alert - but modern military aircraft and some infantry weapons usually have FLIR (Forward-Looking Infra Red) capabilities, and the active camo doesn't mask their thermal signature. The greatest advantage covenant troops would have would be their space warfare capabilities and their energy shielding - but neither would be enough to help them win a ground war - short of glassing a planet, of course. [U]Thread on Bungie Forums: [B][URL="http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=54861637"]Here.[/URL][/B] Just wait for the 'troll' accusations and righteous indignation.[/U] [editline]8:39 PM[/editline] Ah, right. I forgot. They're all under fifteen years old.[/QUOTE] That's awesome theorycraft but I think you forgot the part where the Covenant [I]Navy[/I] buttfucked Earth so hard that the screams of humanity came back in time to alert Antoine Dodson. They don't have to engage the conventional military, they just glass your shit from millions of miles away, while you try to breathe air the same temperature as the sun.

[QUOTE=27X;27233568]That's awesome theorycraft but I think you forgot the part where the Covenant [I]Navy[/I] buttfucked Earth so hard that the screams of humanity came back in time to alert Antoine Dodson. They don't have to engage the conventional military, they just glass your shit from millions of miles away, while you try to breathe air the same temperature as the sun.[/QUOTE] yes we know we've established that over 9000 times god dammit read the fucking thread aesfdgjsdfgasdh

This thread is about Halo and nothing else! Do not compare with Mass Effect or Star Wars or Star Trek or Starcraft or even Warhammer 40k. The halo weapons if brought to out present time would be comparable to a world war 2 weapon. The AR, BR and DMR would be similar to the MP44(STG44), BAR, M1 garand.