Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward. - Games

while we're at it soldiers in tf2 could totally beat master chief because I mean rockets and explosions [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] :downs:

[QUOTE=Erebus.;27490286]Tthe armor was never meant for combat.[/QUOTE] It [b]WAS[/b] made for combat. The scientists on Xen in HL1 were armed with MP5s and wore HEV suits and the U.S military had it's soldiers using experimental Bulletproof Vests based on the HEV suit. Don't forget that the HEV suit is a VERY experimental piece of equipment being produced during 1998 (or 2000 or whatever). No offence Chosen but you're taking this based on gameplay but I'm taking it in context. It's an experimental suit being used in 1998, when technology wasn't at it's best. Obviously it isn't as good as Spartan armor but it's still effective for it's time. I mean, if U.S soldiers had anything like the HEV suit today, imagine how much survivability would improve!

[QUOTE=Erebus.;27490399]Game mechanics? It really depends on the difficulty. Sure, you can survive a rocket on [b]EASY[/b] but on hard, a few bullets can put you six feet under. Same for Halo.[/QUOTE] Actually, you can survive rockets on normal in Half-Life, while you can't survive them on easy in Halo. Also, there is nothing to base the argument on, EXCEPT mechanics, since Half-Life doesn't have any novels or anything. TF2 is just an unrealistic game in general. And the soldier in TF2 is a better character than Master Chief anyway.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27490535]It [b]WAS[/b] made for combat. The scientists on Xen in HL1 were armed with MP5s and wore HEV suits and the U.S military had it's soldiers using experimental Bulletproof Vests based on the HEV suit. Don't forget that the HEV suit is a VERY experimental piece of equipment being produced during 1998 (or 2000 or whatever). No offence Chosen but you're taking this based on gameplay but I'm taking it in context. It's an experimental suit being used in 1998, when technology wasn't at it's best. Obviously it isn't as good as Spartan armor but it's still effective for it's time. I mean, if U.S soldiers had anything like the HEV suit today, imagine how much survivability would improve![/QUOTE] It is great for its time. Just trying to show that, compared to the Mjolnir, the HEV doesn't stand a chance. Then again this is expected.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27490641]TF2 is just an unrealistic game in general.[/QUOTE] Really? I hadn't noticed. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Erebus.;27490707]It is great for its time. Just trying to show that, compared to the Mjolnir, the HEV doesn't stand a chance. Then again this is expected.[/QUOTE] Exactly, I mean no offence to Chosen but I refuse to take the absolutely absurd stance that the HEV suit owns the Spartan armor. The HEV suit was good but if you compare them fairly, the HEV suit loses, I'm sorry. but as I've said, there IS a 500 year difference where advances should ONLY be expected, no matter how absurdly dumb the advances might seem.

I am simply talking game mechanics here. The point still stands, the HEV suit can tank an RPG And I didn't take any offence from your comments CakeMaster, you don't have to defend me if you do not wish to do so.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27490848]I am simply talking game mechanics here. The point still stands, the HEV suit can tank an RPG And I didn't take any offence from your comments CakeMaster, you don't have to defend me if you do not wish to do so.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but you ARE right if we're talking about game mechanics but you compared the two suits earlier in an unfair way. You pointed out how the HEV suit can take a direct hit from an RPG (which it [b]CAN[/b]) but the Spartan armor can't take a direct hit from a rocket. How do we know for sure the rockets in the future aren't much more damaging or powerful? For the sake of fairness, we need to take that into consideration.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27490923] You pointed out how the HEV suit can take a direct hit from an RPG (which it [b]CAN[/b]) but the Spartan armor can't take a direct hit from the rocket. How do we know for sure the rockets in the future aren't much more damaging or powerful? For the sake of fairness, we need to take that into consideration.[/QUOTE] Couldn't have said it better myself. An AT4 compared to a rocket launcher 500 years in the future is a bit of a stretch.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27490848]I am simply talking game mechanics here. The point still stands, the HEV suit can tank an RPG And I didn't take any offence from your comments CakeMaster, you don't have to defend me if you do not wish to do so.[/QUOTE] hev can take an rpg okay that's nice I want to see gordon jump out of a space station and land on his feet

[QUOTE=Erebus.;27490973]Couldn't have said it better myself. An AT4 compared to a rocket launcher 500 years in the future is a bit of a stretch.[/QUOTE] Well, as seen in Route Kanal, Gordon survives rockets fired from a Combine APC. He also survive's a strider's warp cannon. [QUOTE=Android phone;27490975]hev can take an rpg okay that's nice I want to see gordon jump out of a space station and land on his feet[/QUOTE] I knew this point would be brought up. First of all, Master Chief's armour locked up or something as he fell; useful for surviving falls in certain circumstances, but locking up your suit means complete immobilization, which wouldn't be that great in a firefight. Also, it isn't a coincidence that, in the cutscene where Master Chief falls from the sky, Cortana is rambling on about luck. Master Chief doesn't exactly land on his feet anyway. If you disagree, next time you play Halo 3, go jump off of a cliff, and see if you survive.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27490975]I want to see gordon jump out of a space station and land on his feet[/QUOTE] Wait another 5 years (in Valve Time of course) for HL2 Episode 4.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27490975]hev can take an rpg okay that's nice I want to see gordon jump out of a space station and land on his feet[/QUOTE] more like i want to see gordon jump off a roof of a 2 story building and not die lol

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27491089]more like i want to see gordon jump off a roof of a 2 story building and not die lol[/QUOTE] Because he's not Chell, who had specific implants into her legs so she could fall from great heights. (This is the explanation in Portal) [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491067]Well, as seen in Route Kanal, Gordon survives rockets fired from a Combine APC. He also survive's a strider's warp cannon. I knew this point would be brought up. First of all, Master Chief's armour locked up or something as he fell; useful for surviving falls in certain circumstances, but locking up your suit means complete immobilization, which wouldn't be that great in a firefight. Also, it isn't a coincidence that, in the cutscene where Master Chief falls from the sky, Cortana is rambling on about luck. Master Chief doesn't exactly land on his feet anyway. If you disagree, next time you play Halo 3, go jump off of a cliff, and see if you survive.[/QUOTE] These are very good points. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] How long is BmB banned for again? I want to know how much more time for fair and intelligent discussion we get to have left before he arrives again.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27491116]Because he's not Chell, who had specific implants into her legs so she could fall from great heights. (This is the explanation in Portal) [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] These are very good points. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] How long is BmB banned for again? I want to know how much more time for fair and intelligent discussion we get to have left before he arrives again.[/QUOTE] I'd say he's gone for a week at least. Hopefully a month.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491176]At say he's gone for a week at least. Hopefully a month.[/QUOTE] Thank god, I love this very civilized discussion we're finally having with him gone.

the only point you keep bringing up is that he can survive rockets and beams (NEVER directly, only the splash mind you), but that's only when he's got full shields halo's idea of full shields is 3 or 4 shields added to your regular shield that regenerates with overshields, you can survive several rockets/fuel rod shots with full overshields and since you keep insisting it's canon and not gameplay related at all I'd like to point out the citizens, since apparently everything is canon

[QUOTE=Android phone;27491249]the only point you keep bringing up is that he can survive rockets and beams [/QUOTE] Durability is the most important part when discussing powered armour. [QUOTE=Android phone;27491249]NEVER directly, only the splash mind you [/QUOTE] Actually, you can take direct hits from the APCs rockets. Master Chief dies from the splash damage of a rocket anyway. [QUOTE] halo's idea of full shields is 3 or 4 shields added to your regular shield that regenerates with overshields, you can survive several rockets/fuel rod shots with full overshields [/QUOTE] Not even at full shields in Half-Life. I had 30 suit power, and still survived.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27491249]and since you keep insisting it's canon and not gameplay related at all I'd like to point out the citizens, since apparently everything is canon[/QUOTE] I think gameplay mechanics is important to consider but only where it makes sense. Having you die for falling down a small cliff that goes out of bounds might not make sense but it's a gameplay mechanic, for example.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491312][del]Actually, you can take direct hits from the APCs rockets. Master Chief dies from the splash damage of a rocket anyway.[/del] [b]talking about strider beams[/b] Not even at full shields in Half-Life. I had 30 suit power, and still survived. [b]easy mode or you're bullshitting[/b][/QUOTE] you are so biased it isn't funny at least cakemaster doesn't hold up freeman like he's god, I want to converse with him

[QUOTE=Android phone;27491362]you are so biased it isn't funny at least cakemaster doesn't hold up freeman like he's god, I want to converse with him[/QUOTE] We all have bias. It's called opinion. I don't hold up Freeman like he's God; he's actually one of the weakest characters in gaming. I am simply doing a comparison of the two suits, from a gameplay perspective.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27491362]at least cakemaster doesn't hold up freeman like he's god[/QUOTE] The whole point of the story of Half Life is that he's just lucky or being helped, not the invincible being the Resistance treats him as. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491433]We all have bias. It's called opinion. I don't hold up Freeman like he's God; he's actually one of the weakest characters in gaming. I am simply doing a comparison of the two suits, from a gameplay perspective.[/QUOTE] This is true, bias is [b]ALWAYS[/b] created by opinion.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27491362] at least cakemaster doesn't hold up freeman like he's god, I want to converse with him[/QUOTE] In fact, amusingly, I didn't even mention Freeman's name in this entire debate.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491433]We all have bias. It's called opinion. I don't hold up Freeman like he's God; he's actually one of the weakest characters in gaming. I am simply doing a comparison of the two suits, from a gameplay perspective.[/QUOTE] you refuse to accept that mjolnir armor, in any given iteration, is better than the HEV no matter how many reasons we give it's just so much better because, um, once I survived an RPG from it so it's the best :downs:

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491497]In fact, amusingly, I didn't even mention Freeman's name in this entire debate.[/QUOTE] That is amusing, now that you mention it. As we all know, if he was really worshiping him he'd be like BmB in earlier posts about Master Chief, "MASTER CHEEF WOOD OWN SHPARD BECUZ YUR OPINONS SUK AND MINE ROCK"

[QUOTE=Android phone;27491529]you refuse to accept that mjolnir armor, in any given iteration, is better than the HEV no matter how many reasons we give it's just so much better because, um, once I survived an RPG from it so it's the best :downs:[/QUOTE] That does kind of show that it is more durable. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] As for your 'reasons', I believe I countered most of them on the previous page.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491067] Also, it isn't a coincidence that, in the cutscene where Master Chief falls from the sky, Cortana is rambling on about luck. Master Chief doesn't exactly land on his feet anyway. If you disagree, next time you play Halo 3, go jump off of a cliff, and see if you survive.[/QUOTE] Ever play Halo 2? There are certain parts you are required to jump off a waterfall. You survive it with no harm done to your person. Not to mention there are certain parts you can survive jumps like that. Of course they will kill you jump off a cliff not intended to be jumped off of. Also the fall in the beginning of Halo 3 isn't luck. It happens 3 times throughout the Halo games and all times, the character survives. That isn't coincidence, it's just the suits working as intended.

Whatever, I know when I've lost an argument. Good debate though.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491612]Whatever, I know when I've lost an argument. Good debate though.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you guys really know how to mass debate.

[QUOTE=Samiam22;27491639]Yeah, you guys really know how to mass debate.[/QUOTE] Debating is the best part of forums. The great thing about FacePunch is that there are always people willing to debate with you.

[QUOTE=Samiam22;27491639]Yeah, you guys really know how to mass debate.[/QUOTE] Thank you, my incredible debating skills and overall awesomeness [b]ARE[/b] impressive, aren't they? (JK) [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491659]Debating is the best part of forums. The great thing about FacePunch is that there are always people willing to debate with you.[/QUOTE] Really? I thought people were ALWAYS ready to debate on the internet. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27491612]Whatever, I know when I've lost an argument. Good debate though.[/QUOTE] I like to see a person who accepts defeat in a mature and appropriate fashion. Good job. [editline]17th January 2011[/editline] So guys, I was wondering. What WOULD the soldiers in Halo do if they lost power? They seem to depend on having electricity a LOT.