Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward. - Games

[QUOTE=RubberFruit;27527296]What? I'm not saying CoD is amazing, I'm contrary to this theory. I'm saying my friends say it is, and I disagree with them. Learn2read[/QUOTE] You need to, I said that you appear to be under the impression that we hate every game that isn't CoD, as you post. [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RubberFruit;27526937][b]How ignorant can you get? Anything that isn't CoD nowadays gets flamed on. Not good[/b] [/QUOTE] See that? It's you saying that [b]WE[/b] are ignorant because we obviously only like CoD because some of us dislike Halo. [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RubberFruit;27527296]I'm not saying CoD is amazing[/QUOTE] Never said you did. "Learn2read"

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27527443]You need to, I said that you appear to be under the impression that we hate every game that isn't CoD, as you post. [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] See that? It's you saying that [b]WE[/b] are ignorant because we obviously only like CoD because some of us dislike Halo.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about you, or facepunch directly but about the people I know and talked to about it. If you have a different opinion, great

[QUOTE=RubberFruit;27527541]I'm not talking about you, or facepunch directly but about the people I know and talked to about it. If you have a different opinion, great[/QUOTE] But you said that "[b]anything that isn't CoD gets flamed on[/b]" yet none of us are talking about how great CoD is so that's a very unneeded statement that could offend or anger. Please just don't do it again. And I should add that this offended me which is why I responded in a relatively angry manner and I apologize if I seemed rude or offended you.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27527577]But you said that "[b]anything that isn't CoD gets flamed on[/b]" yet none of us are talking about how great CoD is so that's a very unneeded statement that could offend or anger. Please just don't do it again. [/QUOTE] How can people get this butthurt about a misconception? Fine, maybe what I wrote came out wrong, but you get what I what I meant (I hope) [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [quote]And I should add that this offended me.[/quote] Cry me a river.

[QUOTE=RubberFruit;27527637]Cry me a river.[/QUOTE] That's not very polite. If you're not going contribute to the thread with actual discussion then please leave. We're trying to have a civilized debate. You actually haven't contributed in ANY way, all you did was comment about how CoD sucks (which I do agree on) and then this started.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27527771]That's not very polite. If you're not going contribute to the thread with actual discussion then please leave. We're trying to have a civilized debate. You actually haven't contributed in ANY way, all you did was comment about how CoD sucks (which I do agree on) and then this started.[/QUOTE] Okay, deal we could so be friends

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27519251]I still really don't see how Master Chief could win. We've already established that Shepard has much stronger armour, weapons, and shields. It's also been established that Shepard's super human abilities can at least match those of Master Chief. Master Chief may take the cake in pure combat experience, but that doesn't really count for much when you are outmatched in every way.[/QUOTE] you do not read a god damn thing do you

[QUOTE=Android phone;27527965]you do not read a god damn thing do you[/QUOTE] There is no need to be insulting. I have read, and acknowledged the arguments of both Erebus and Durandir. At least they have the decency to post substantial evidence to back up their opinions and statements, unlike you and your invisible friend Fire Kracker.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27528330]There is no need to be insulting. I have read, and acknowledged the arguments of both Erebus and Durandir. At least they have the decency to post substantial evidence to back up their opinions and statements, unlike you and your invisible friend Fire Kracker.[/QUOTE] This is true. (And I appreciate you guys ignoring the small argument that I had with Rubber Fruit, it isn't important)

Yeah, I don't see anything wrong here now. Not many places on the internet you can have civil discussions about this. You guys rock :3: And yeah, as I said. John would win against some of the Shepard classes, he would lose against others. The important point, I think, is that both of them rock serious ass.

[QUOTE=archangel125;27160425]Well, yeah. But look at Mass Effect. That was a game - and yet all the tech was really improved by a great degree.[/QUOTE] I say underpowered if they are able to beat the speed of light.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27528427]This is true. (And I appreciate you guys ignoring the small argument that I had with Rubber Fruit, it isn't important)[/QUOTE] But it's settled now so it wouldn't matter I guess

This thread is probably the most interesting and stimulating thread in General Games Discussion at the moment.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27529380]This thread is probably the most interesting and stimulating thread in General Games Discussion at the moment.[/QUOTE] Too bad it's been dying. At the time of this post's writing, this thread is on the [b]THIRD[/b] page.

BmB is back. God help us.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27547617]BmB is back. God help us.[/QUOTE] No, no, no, NO!!!!!! How could this happen? Maybe if we're lucky the thread dying will make it harder to find us among the other threads! GOD HELP US!

Riddle me this! If Master chief can survive re-entry and terminal velocity impacts, which can be around 100-120 Mph, how come they splatter when run over by something going 40 Mph? Like a warthog? Also, imagine reactive body armor.

[QUOTE=Mipit;27554599]Riddle me this! If Master chief can survive re-entry and terminal velocity impacts, which can be around 100-120 Mph, how come they splatter when run over by something going 40 Mph? Like a warthog? [/QUOTE] Halo is horribly inconsistant. In the books, they portray Master Chief as an invincible Rambo-Robocop super-soldier. In the gameplay, Master Chief is so frail as to die from a light slap to the back, get hit by a pylon, or get nicked by a warthog. The cutscenes are kind of in between.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27547617]BmB is back.[/QUOTE] Gentlemen, pull out your boxes. [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] But yeah, the survivability of a spartan is so inconsistant you can almost laugh at it. I guess it's to balance the games, but still, you could always just have the books not say he's some invincible guy.

[QUOTE=Mipit;27554599]Riddle me this! If Master chief can survive re-entry and terminal velocity impacts, which can be around 100-120 Mph, how come they splatter when run over by something going 40 Mph? Like a warthog? Also, imagine reactive body armor.[/QUOTE] The gameplay in halo is consistent for multiplayer, not for story if you could run 65 mph, had %1500 the reflexes of a regular man and an AI targeting assistant the game would play itself, and going by the mythos and NOT the gameplay Chief beats any Shepherd any day [editline]20th January 2011[/editline] you guys are trying to take the characteristics of chief from the games instead of the actual character, it'd be like saying the video game versions of star wars characters are canon and the movie versions aren't "oh well darth vader only knows force push and lightning because that's all he could do in battlefront 2 :downs:"

[QUOTE=Android phone;27555481]and going by the mythos and NOT the gameplay Chief beats any Shepherd any day[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, you can't actually believe that. Shepard has MUCH stronger shields and weapons, and is just as much of a super soldier as Master Chief. What advantages does MC have? [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] Oh by the way, repeatedly rating my comments dumb instead of replying doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

Ive got a large WTF here... Augmentations Carbide Ceramic Ossification Advanced material grafting onto skeletal structures to make bones virtually unbreakable. Recommended coverage not to exceed 3% total bone mass because of significant white blood cell necrosis. Risks: Specific risk for pre-and near-postpubescent adolescents: skeletal growth spurts may cause irreparable bone pulverization. Catalytic Thyroid Implant Platinum pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in the thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissues. Wouldn't their bones pulverize them? Also, a Spartans reaction time is around 15 milliseconds, without AI intervention, and without adrenaline. In other words, 0.015 seconds, or 60th of a second.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27555823]I'm sorry, you can't actually believe that. Shepard has MUCH stronger shields and weapons, and is just as much of a super soldier as Master Chief. What advantages does MC have? [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] Oh by the way, repeatedly rating my comments dumb instead of replying doesn't make your opinion any more valid.[/QUOTE] how can we compare the shields shepard and the MC use?

By looking at the weaponry. Even though ME's weapons are hauling projectiles the size of sand, there's a ridiculous amount of energy behind them, as they travel near the speed of light. Mass effect fields allow this to be done with minimal recoil. The weaponry in ME is faaaaar more powerful than conventional bullets and whatnot. Also, the armor piercing capabilities when compared to modern weaponry would be phenomenal, as the small ME projectiles would find their way through armor easily. The offensive/defensive technology in ME is far more advanced than what is found in Halo, I don't even know if conventional bullets would damage Shepard's shields.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27559503]By looking at the weaponry. Even though ME's weapons are hauling projectiles the size of sand, there's a ridiculous amount of energy behind them, as they travel near the speed of light. Mass effect fields allow this to be done with minimal recoil. The weaponry in ME is faaaaar more powerful than conventional bullets and whatnot. Also, the armor piercing capabilities when compared to modern weaponry would be phenomenal, as the small ME projectiles would find their way through armor easily. The offensive/defensive technology in ME is far more advanced than what is found in Halo, I don't even know if conventional bullets would damage Shepard's shields.[/QUOTE] Not sure if this is true in the second game, but in the first game the shields worked on projectiles but melee hits would completely ignore them (the thorians come to mind). I imagine a "slow blade penetrates the shield" effect is in play-- the only question is the cutoff, which I'd have to assume would be above the speed of a bullet. If a spartan could get into hand to hand combat with Shepard before being torn to shreds, I imagine the fight might turn the other way.

[QUOTE=Itszutak;27560516]Not sure if this is true in the second game, but in the first game the shields worked on projectiles but melee hits would completely ignore them (the thorians come to mind). I imagine a "slow blade penetrates the shield" effect is in play-- the only question is the cutoff, which I'd have to assume would be above the speed of a bullet. If a spartan could get into hand to hand combat with Shepard before being torn to shreds, I imagine the fight might turn the other way.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that MC shield works in a way that nothing can get through wherever theres a shield. Because of this, he needs to lower the shields in joints, he hands and on his feet. Trivia time! How does air pass through the shield which he breathes in, but plasma, very hot air, doesn't?

[QUOTE=Mipit;27556432]Ive got a large WTF here... -snip-[/QUOTE] [i]May[/i] cause irreparable bone pulverization. Only 33 of the Spartan II's actually survived the process without any complications. 30 died and 12 became heavily handicapped. When all of the procedures worked as intended, you made a superior human. With lowered sex drive and other minor faults like that. And again folks, yes, Shepard has stronger weapons and possibly shields. But he is nowhere near the super soldier as Master Chief is. His body hasn't been augmented enough for that. He isn't strong enough or fast enough (speed or reflexes) to compare with the Chief. And I am in the middle of beating ME2 as we speak, so this is no kind of bias on my side. That is just cold, hard facts. The only edge Shepard has is technological, with his biotics, shields and weapons. So it all comes down to which class of Shepard we are thinking about whether he would win. I'd say that if the Chief managed to get close to Shepard he would win. We have seen in ME2 that shields don't stand up well to close combat (you manage to punch out a man in seemingly high-tech armor and shields on the Miranda's Sister mission, then shoot him dead with a few shots), which means that Shepard is dead if the 2.1 m tall half a ton heavy man who can lift his own weight comes within punching range. And for a man who can run at 105 km/h if he have to, with a reaction time of 20 milliseconds when not in a battle situation and not using his in-brain AI for help... well, some classes of Shepard wouldn't stand a chance. The class I play, Infiltrator, would have one shot to get him with the sniper, which could kill him if he got a headshot. But the sniper slowdown time you get is about what I believe the Chief experiences all the time an a battle situation, so Shepard might as well miss. The reload time is all he needs to get up close to do some good old punch in the face action. Some of the more biotic heavy classes would manage to freeze John to the ground without problems. So again, it all comes down to class. But saying that Shepard is as much of a super soldier as Master Chief is wrong, and also saying that he would beat him without any problems at all. EDIT: Great, I got ninja'd on the "melee fucks shields up" point while typing up my big-ass post. Way to go guys! :smith:

[QUOTE=Mipit;27560652]Not to mention that MC shield works in a way that nothing can get through wherever theres a shield. Because of this, he needs to lower the shields in joints, he hands and on his feet. Trivia time! How does air pass through the shield which he breathes in, but plasma, very hot air, doesn't?[/QUOTE] plasma in halo is magical space goo

Stop the Mass Sexyness vs Halo thing for a moment. Back to the Haloverse fluffyness; Why the writes couldn't just make it all realistic instead of backwards stupid shit with unrealistic mechanics and results. I mean, Grenadelauncher attachment that fucking hits targets [I]only[/I] 10 meters? Jesus christ what. And that it has tendency to blow up on it's users arm? What the fuck, even the taliban can make better shit than that. And what it comes to other weapons, it is said that UNSC employs Fusion [U]Rockets[/U], yes, un-fucking-guided rockets that even in the fluff are useless as a box of dust, and that they are actually weaker than fission weapons. God damnit why hasn't Bungie fired these retards, Jesus christ. Have they even bothered to read the stuff they write? How god-damned ignorant they are, seriously why, why, why, why [B]WHY?[/B]

It's a generally accepted fact that most Halo weapons are inferior to modern day weapons. Shepard has a huge advantage in tech, armour, shields, and weapons. Maybe Master Chief is stronger, and has better reflexes. This can only help up to a point. The fact is, in terms of equipment, he is outmatched in every way. Biotic powers could severely screw up Master Chief also. Really, the only argument I've heard is "MC is a super soldier with augmented XXX and super fast YYY."