Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward. - Games

I don't understand a single thing in the halo universe, but I play the games just for fun :buddy:

[QUOTE=Itszutak;27560776]plasma in halo is magical space goo[/QUOTE] Not goo, it disipates on impact meaning its not a liquid. Now Fallout on the other hand. [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27561847]It's a generally accepted fact that most Halo weapons are inferior to modern day weapons.[/QUOTE] Your ignorance is outstanding. In case you havent been listening to the opposition we've already estabilished that the guns are only bad in gameplay however are more effective than modern day weapons in canon.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27563671] Now Fallout on the other hand. .[/QUOTE] Plasma in Fallout is Gaseous. The remains of the body it hits are goo.

[QUOTE=Raiskauskone V2;27560890] Back to the Haloverse fluffyness; Why the writes couldn't just make it all realistic instead of backwards stupid shit with unrealistic mechanics and results. I mean, Grenadelauncher attachment that fucking hits targets [I]only[/I] 10 meters? Jesus christ what. And that it has tendency to blow up on it's users arm? What the fuck, even the taliban can make better shit than that. And what it comes to other weapons, it is said that UNSC employs Fusion [U]Rockets[/U], yes, un-fucking-guided rockets that even in the fluff are useless as a box of dust, and that they are actually weaker than fission weapons. God damnit why hasn't Bungie fired these retards, Jesus christ. Have they even bothered to read the stuff they write? How god-damned ignorant they are, seriously why, why, why, why [B]WHY?[/B][/QUOTE] Grenade launcher attachment? What the fuck are you on about. And give me a source on Fusion Rockets. [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=PunchedInFac;27563725]Plasma in Fallout is Gaseous. The remains of the body it hits are goo.[/QUOTE] Touche.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27563671]Not goo, it disipates on impact meaning its not a liquid. Now Fallout on the other hand. [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] Your ignorance is outstanding. In case you havent been listening to the opposition we've already estabilished that the guns are only bad in gameplay however are more effective than modern day weapons in canon.[/QUOTE] Oh really? I thought it was already established that most of the Halo weapons sucked. They fire similar round to modern day weapons, yet have lower range. Take the MA5 Assault Rifle: Range: 300m Round: 7.62x51mm SCAR-H: Range: 300-600m Round: 7.62x51mm Inb4 "Halo Encyclopedia is wrong lol"

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27564301]Oh really? I thought it was already established that most of the Halo weapons sucked. They fire similar round to modern day weapons, yet have lower range. Take the MA5 Assault Rifle: Range: 300m Round: 7.62x51mm SCAR-H: Range: 300-600m Round: 7.62x51mm Inb4 "Halo Encyclopedia is wrong lol"[/QUOTE] Well it is wrong, a SCAR can hit a target at 10m doesnt mean it is its maximum range. Dont be retarded, the book mentioned easily engaging targets at 300m doesnt mean thats its limit.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27564443]Well it is wrong, a SCAR can hit a target at 10m doesnt mean it is its maximum range. Dont be retarded, the book mentioned easily engaging targets at 300m doesnt mean thats its limit.[/QUOTE] Do you have any evidence to support this? Tell me, what is it's maximum range? Does the book even tell you? Since at the moment, the Halo Encyclopedia is the only reliable source of information, my point still stands that the Halo MA5 assault rifle has a range of 300m.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27564506]Do you have any evidence to support this? Tell me, what is it's maximum range? Does the book even tell you? Since at the moment, the Halo Encyclopedia is the only reliable source of information, my point still stands that the Halo MA5 assault rifle has a range of 300m.[/QUOTE] The book states that during a training excercise Jenkins engages practice targets at 300m which are deemed "Easy pickings" The book im refering to is not that shit Encyclopedia but Contact Harvest. Until you prove to me thats its maximum range we are at a standstill.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27564572]The book states that during a training excercise Jenkins engages practice targets at 300m which are deemed "Easy pickings" The book im refering to is not that shit Encyclopedia but Contact Harvest. Until you prove to me thats its maximum range we are at a standstill.[/QUOTE] Well, there is also the fact that the MA5 fires the same rounds as it's 500 year old counterpart. Can you really deny how far ahead Mass Effect weapons are, compared to Halo weapons? [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] As a previous poster once said, Master Chief is a perfect example of the developers trying to badassify everything about their protagonist, and not even doing it with a hint of humour, like Duke Nukem.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27565004]Well, there is also the fact that the MA5 fires the same rounds as it's 500 year old counterpart. Can you really deny how far ahead Mass Effect weapons are, compared to Halo weapons? [/QUOTE] What? Im not talking about Mass Effect. This has no relevance to Mass Effect. Name a protagonist where they didnt try to make him look good?

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27565127]What? Im not talking about Mass Effect. This has no relevance to Mass Effect. Name a protagonist where they didnt try to make him look good?[/QUOTE] That's not the point. The only reason Master Chief can win any battles is because Bungie basically portrayed him as an invincible killing machine; this doesn't even factor into the gameplay. It's almost like Bungie themselves are fanboys; they couldn't stand the idea of Master Chief being beaten by any other character, so they add a whole bunch of 'super soldier' fluff, which barely even affects the game.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27565255]That's not the point. The only reason Master Chief can win any battles is because Bungie basically portrayed him as an invincible killing machine; this doesn't even factor into the gameplay. It's almost like Bungie themselves are fanboys; they couldn't stand the idea of Master Chief being beaten by any other character, so they add a whole bunch of 'super soldier' fluff, which barely even affects the game.[/QUOTE] Ok what about Gordan Freeman, hes just the same, everyone makes out hes amazing but in gameplay he doesnt have many abilities, games like Crysis are the only ones that allow the user to use the abilities these characters claim to have.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27565501]Ok what about [B]Gordan[/B] Freeman[/QUOTE] [B]GORDAN[/B] :v: Anyway, Gordon, as much as I hate to say it, doesn't really have much going for him. He's wearing a puny environment suit from the 21st century compared to the new stuff like the Nanosuit and Mjolnewhosewhatsit with all the gadgets like AI, easy aiming with weapons, super speed and 3 cup-holders, and he's just a physicist who happens to be able to shoot light and heavy firearms. He really wouldn't compare to any of the characters we're discussing here.

[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27565501]Ok what about Gordan Freeman, hes just the same, everyone makes out hes amazing but in gameplay he doesnt have many abilities, games like Crysis are the only ones that allow the user to use the abilities these characters claim to have.[/QUOTE] It's not like Valve tried to portray Gordon Freeman as the ultimate soldier or anything. They didn't try to make him badass; that just came naturally. Gordon is badass because he is an average guy who manages to destroy half the US army, and take on hordes of aliens and zombies.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27566340]It's not like Valve tried to portray Gordon Freeman as the ultimate soldier or anything. They didn't try to make him badass; that just came naturally. Gordon is badass because he is an average guy who manages to destroy half the US army, and take on hordes of aliens and zombies.[/QUOTE] And it's not even him who's doing it, it's all luck and the help of others that keeps Freeman alive. Half Life 2 never would've happened if Barney hadn't decided to save him from boarding the train to Nova Prospekt based on the very tiny chance that this random citizen is actually the believed to be dead Freeman. [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] It's nice to see the thread is back.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27555823]I'm sorry, you can't actually believe that. Shepard has MUCH stronger shields and weapons, and is just as much of a super soldier as Master Chief. What advantages does MC have? [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] Oh by the way, repeatedly rating my comments dumb instead of replying doesn't make your opinion any more valid.[/QUOTE] I like how you ignored the rest of the sentence and tried to brush it off with "but shepherd has stronger shields :saddowns:" we don't know if he does have stronger shields, it's only after upgrading (overshield is a powerup too), and the weapons of the mass effect universe use completely different technologies for ballistics taking in reaction time and speed ALONE chief would beat every shepherd every time regardless of weapon or shield strength

[QUOTE=Android phone;27569649]taking in reaction time and speed ALONE chief would beat every shepherd every time regardless of weapon or shield strength[/QUOTE] We don't know THAT for sure either.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27564506]Do you have any evidence to support this? Tell me, what is it's maximum range? Does the book even tell you? Since at the moment, the Halo Encyclopedia is the only reliable source of information, my point still stands that the Halo MA5 assault rifle has a range of 300m.[/QUOTE] and then there's this shit Carlos Hathcock nuff said [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27569783]We don't know THAT for sure either.[/QUOTE] shepherd cannot react in a sixtieth of a second and cannot run at 65 mph do you honestly think anyone in either universe would stand a chance against a canon MC?

[QUOTE=Android phone;27569786]do you honestly think anyone in either universe would stand a chance against a canon MC?[/QUOTE] Because I'm not a Halo fan and don't know the canon very well, I don't think it'd be very appropriate to state my opinion, that would obviously be biased and have no basis in fact.

[QUOTE=Android phone;27569649]I like how you ignored the rest of the sentence and tried to brush it off with "but shepherd has stronger shields :saddowns:" we don't know if he does have stronger shields, it's only after upgrading (overshield is a powerup too), and the weapons of the mass effect universe use completely different technologies for ballistics taking in reaction time and speed ALONE chief would beat every shepherd every time regardless of weapon or shield strength[/QUOTE] Because a fast reaction speed instantly wins a battle right? I'm sorry, Master Chief is simply too outmatched. Sure, Master Chief may win if it was an unarmoured battle. However, they both have guns, so they would probably be shooting each other, and Master Chief would be put down quickly, with a combination of guns and biotic, if Shepard was an Adept or Sentinel. If Shepard was a Sentinel, he would have access to Tech Armour also, which would dramatically increase his shields, making him even harder to kill. If Shepard was a soldier, then he would have Adrenaline Rush, which would put his reflexes almost on par with Master Chief, and he would have disruptor ammo (basically EMP bullets.) The Soldier also gets heavy armour. In terms of heavy weapons, Master Chief has the Spartan Laser, Rocket Launcher, and Fuel Rod Cannon. That would be pretty impressive, if it weren't for the fact that Shepard has: [url]http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/ML-77_Missile_Launcher[/url] [url]http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Collector_Particle_Beam[/url] [url]http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/M-490_Blackstorm[/url] And: [url]http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/M-920_Cain[/url] And it's not like Shepard COULDN'T tank a rocket, or Spartan Laser blast anyway. He's survived much more powerful things. For your argument of Master Chief getting close enough to punch Shepard out, that is probably one of the most ludicrous scenarios I have ever heard. First of all, you are assuming that Master Chief could get close enough to Shepard without being shredded by his weapons or biotics, which would be very difficult for Master Chief already. IF Master Chief gets close enough, and is stupid enough to try and punch Shepard, he'd be leaving himself wide open to a shotgun blast to the face. And we've seen how devastating Mass Effect shotguns are. [editline]21st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27570104]Because I'm not a Halo fan and don't know the canon very well, I don't think it'd be very appropriate to state my opinion, that would obviously be biased and have no basis in fact.[/QUOTE] I highly doubt Android Phone has even played Mass Effect 2 for more than ten minutes; he's obviously a Halo fanboy.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27570112]I highly doubt Android Phone has even played Mass Effect 2 for more than ten minutes; he's obviously a Halo fanboy.[/QUOTE] Well I just proved who's more civil then, haven't I?

Just going to point out one thing before I quit this silly "who is best thing", since it is obviously impossible to agree on it. I feel I am on middle ground, since I love Halo as much as I love Mass Effect, and have played my fair share of both games, but seems some people are dead set on either one being massively better than the other. While, as I said, they are more balanced in my book. Anyway, that one point I wanted to.. uh, point out: Master Chief has one thing which can tip the scales to his favour, which I haven't seen mentioned yet. Grenades. With his knowledge of how to fight (he would not rambo head on like you do in the games), the added damage and distraction of grenades, his speed and luck, he would have a great chance of reaching Shepard. Who, frankly, wouldn't have time switching to a shotgun until his head is punched into a bloody pulp by a freakin' tank. That's the last thing I am going to say on the subject. Both characters are awesome in their own way. Now, how would the Power Armor in Fallout stand up to them? :v:

I doubt the Halo grenades would do any significant damage to Shepard, much less leave him open enough to let Master Chief punch him out. also, you act like Master Chief instantly kills Shepard with a single punch. Sure, melee damage might do more, but he still has to break through Shepard's very durable armour. I doubt, if anything, Master Chief would actually charge up to Shepard to punch him. He would be leaving himself wide open, as I said before.

[QUOTE=Durandir;27570662] Now, how would the Power Armor in Fallout stand up to them? :v:[/QUOTE] Power Armor is a bit of a wild card, depending on the armor. If it's the power armor heavy NCR soldiers wear, there's no contest that the power armor-wearer is going to die horribly. Advanced Power Armor Mk II or Hellfire Trooper Armor, on the other hand, would probably tip the scales. I say we have a Frank Horrigan vs. Master Chief vs. Gordon Freeman vs. Commander Shepard argument.

Matser Cheif wuld just armor lock and spam nades and dmr and stuff

[QUOTE=Bokito;27571231]Matser Cheif wuld just armor lock and spam nades and dmr and stuff[/QUOTE] I sincerely hope this isn't a serious post.

"Course not you silly

[QUOTE=Bokito;27571231]Matser Cheif wuld just armor lock and spam nades and dmr and stuff[/QUOTE] Pft works online enough.

Master Chief has a lot more military experience, he's been training since he was 6 essentially, and there are multiple times in the books where he has done well against bigger forces. During his training as a kid he knocked out adult soldiers many times and planned and executed a lot of escapes. They had a pitch black cave where they practiced in stealth and played team games. Multiple times he is thrown against overwhelming amounts of enemies.(I recall him engaging somewhere around a "sea" of grunts in one of the books.) I know shepard has proven himself a quite a few times, but Chief has none nothing else in his life but warfare, i'm pretty sure he could triumph over shepard in any environment.

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;27571014]I say we have a Frank Horrigan vs. Master Chief vs. Gordon Freeman vs. Commander Shepard argument.[/QUOTE] Gordon Freeman is gonna show up to the show late. Like, Valve Time late. And then, when he finally arrives, Gman is gonna teleport him out before he gets killed.