Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward. - Games

Look, this discussion isn't getting us anywhere. You made some good points, as did I, but I still think Shepard would win and you think Master Chief would win. Let's stop now.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27587184]Gordon Freeman would win if he had his dark energy gravty gun.[/QUOTE] Now THAT is a fight I'd like to see. It'd be interesting to see the effects Zero Point Energy has on the respective technology of those two characters.

In a post that was completely disregarded, I talked about how Shepard's shields are far more advanced than MC's. Why? Because the weaponry in ME has way more energy behind it. ME guns shoot bullets the size of a grain of sand, but they shoot them at close to the speed of light. Accelerating even a small mass that quickly to that speed would produce monumental amounts of recoil in a "realistic" situation, but that's where the technology of ME kicks in. Mass effect fields are what allows guns to shoot projectiles with such immense force and still have very little recoil. The same technology is used to allow faster-than-light travel in ME, mass effect fields surround craft and make their mass essentially zero. A shot from a ME gun, especially one of a specific ammo type like incendiary, would decimate any modern armor. The armor beneath shields in ME is designed a lot like an astronauts suit is (which is designed to stop tiny projectiles flying through space at thousands of kilometers and hour), "catching" projectiles through layers of armor instead of being extremely hard, which would allow the kinetic energy of the projectile to pass right through the armor into the wearer. Shooting a modern plate of metal with an ME gun would cause the metal to explode out the back side, even if the projectile itself doesn't make it through. Once MC's shields are worn away (which wouldn't take long considering how powerful ME guns are relative to conventional firearms), his armor plating would actually prove to be his downfall. A single shot to an area with armor plating would mean the end for MC, as it would explode out the other side into him. In ME, everyone has the same weapons and defensive technology has improved so they don't appear to be anything special, but a gun from ME is practically a superweapon when compared to a conventional modern firearm. Hell, the guns in ME even have computer systems that automatically adjust for gravity, wind, and even weather conditions like rain. MC simply isn't designed to defend himself against ME's style of weaponry, his armor and shields are specifically designed to defend against conventional and plasma weaponry.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27587687]In a post that was completely disregarded, I talked about how Shepard's shields are far more advanced than MC's. Why? Because the weaponry in ME has way more energy behind it. ME guns shoot bullets the size of a grain of sand, but they shoot them at close to the speed of light. Accelerating even a small mass that quickly to that speed would produce monumental amounts of recoil in a "realistic" situation, but that's where the technology of ME kicks in. Mass effect fields are what allows guns to shoot projectiles with such immense force and still have very little recoil. The same technology is used to allow faster-than-light travel in ME, mass effect fields surround craft and make their mass essentially zero. A shot from a ME gun, especially one of a specific ammo type like incendiary, would decimate any modern armor. The armor beneath shields in ME is designed a lot like an astronauts suit is (which is designed to stop tiny projectiles flying through space at thousands of kilometers and hour), "catching" projectiles through layers of armor instead of being extremely hard, which would allow the kinetic energy of the projectile to pass right through the armor into the wearer. Shooting a modern plate of metal with an ME gun would cause the metal to explode out the back side, even if the projectile itself doesn't make it through. Once MC's shields are worn away (which wouldn't take long considering how powerful ME guns are relative to conventional firearms), his armor plating would actually prove to be his downfall. A single shot to an area with armor plating would mean the end for MC, as it would explode out the other side into him. In ME, everyone has the same weapons and defensive technology has improved so they don't appear to be anything special, but a gun from ME is practically a superweapon when compared to a conventional modern firearm. Hell, the guns in ME even have computer systems that automatically adjust for gravity, wind, and even weather conditions like rain. MC simply isn't designed to defend himself against ME's style of weaponry, his armor and shields are specifically designed to defend against conventional and plasma weaponry.[/QUOTE] This is very true, but unless we specifically know how EXACTLY how both of their shields and armor work, we shouldn't jump to a conclusion based on that.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27587687]In a post that was completely disregarded, I talked about how Shepard's shields are far more advanced than MC's. Why? Because the weaponry in ME has way more energy behind it. ME guns shoot bullets the size of a grain of sand, but they shoot them at close to the speed of light. Accelerating even a small mass that quickly to that speed would produce monumental amounts of recoil in a "realistic" situation, but that's where the technology of ME kicks in. Mass effect fields are what allows guns to shoot projectiles with such immense force and still have very little recoil. The same technology is used to allow faster-than-light travel in ME, mass effect fields surround craft and make their mass essentially zero. A shot from a ME gun, especially one of a specific ammo type like incendiary, would decimate any modern armor. The armor beneath shields in ME is designed a lot like an astronauts suit is (which is designed to stop tiny projectiles flying through space at thousands of kilometers and hour), "catching" projectiles through layers of armor instead of being extremely hard, which would allow the kinetic energy of the projectile to pass right through the armor into the wearer. Shooting a modern plate of metal with an ME gun would cause the metal to explode out the back side, even if the projectile itself doesn't make it through. Once MC's shields are worn away (which wouldn't take long considering how powerful ME guns are relative to conventional firearms), his armor plating would actually prove to be his downfall. A single shot to an area with armor plating would mean the end for MC, as it would explode out the other side into him. In ME, everyone has the same weapons and defensive technology has improved so they don't appear to be anything special, but a gun from ME is practically a superweapon when compared to a conventional modern firearm. Hell, the guns in ME even have computer systems that automatically adjust for gravity, wind, and even weather conditions like rain. MC simply isn't designed to defend himself against ME's style of weaponry, his armor and shields are specifically designed to defend against conventional and plasma weaponry.[/QUOTE] We still don't know how they'd affect the Chief's shields, and how the Chief's weapons would affect Shepherd's shields. Don't start with the 4x is bigger than 1y shit either.

Well if that's the case, then there is no point to have any discussion whatsoever. Following your logic, Android, Mario would have a chance at killing Master Chief because we don't know how Mario jumping on Chief's head would affect his shields, and we also don't know how Master Chief's bullets would react when hitting Mario.

[quote=mass effect armor]If a bullet or other incoming object gets past the barrier, it contends with the more traditional body armor. A sealed suit of non-porous ballistic cloth provides kinetic and environmental protection, reinforced by lightweight composite ceramic plates in areas that either don't need to flex or require additional coverage, such as the chest and head.[/quote] [quote=halo]In its final phase the MJOLNIR battlesuit weighs half a ton, or 1000 Lbs and when in use, is a fully neural-linked system. With an on board A.I using the human mind for parallel processing, the SPARTAN-II/MJOLNIR combination is designed to be the most devastating intelligence tool ever created. [/quote] yeah i didn't want to quote the entire halo thing but unless shepard can take out a starship or a tank with his assault rifle then i'm pretty sure master chief can win comparing masterchiefs armor to shepards is like comparing a tank to a kevlar vest [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] a tank that can move 65mph in any direction have you ever seen cars on a highway on foot yeah imagine something moving that fast inside of a little room [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] not only that but shepards kevlar armor basically stops multiple shots from a weapon in masseffect easy now imagine a tank or a krogan who can move 65mph and is armored with starship plating

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27588363]Well if that's the case, then there is no point to have any discussion whatsoever. Following your logic, Android, Mario would have a chance at killing Master Chief because we don't know how Mario jumping on Chief's head would affect his shields, and we also don't know how Master Chief's bullets would react when hitting Mario.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Nice logic huh? I mean, for all we know, Mario's fireballs would totally destroy MC's shields and automatically kill him.

Black hole gun derp

[QUOTE=Android phone;27588218]We still don't know how they'd affect the Chief's shields, and how the Chief's weapons would affect Shepherd's shields. Don't start with the 4x is bigger than 1y shit either.[/QUOTE] Conventional bullets would barely scathe Shepard's shields. A .50 caliber bullet would hit Shepard with what, around 15000 joules? The projectiles from ME have far more energy behind them, especially if you take into account that the closer to the speed of light an object is traveling, the more mass it has. Shields in ME most likely produce a mass effect shield that negates the extreme mass of oncoming projectiles and then attempts to deflect them. However, Chief has no such capability. A piece of sand traveling near the speed of light would hit Chief with way more energy than any weapon he's ever been struck with. If a conventional large-caliber sniper rifle bullet can penetrate Chief's shields, then a shot from an ME firearm would easily get through.

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27588783]Black hole gun derp[/QUOTE] if it's going to take out masterchief then it's going to need enough force to pull 1000lb and if it has that much force it will also pull shepard in and everything around it derp

Maybe we could discuss what's the best weapo in each series and pit them against each other? Half Life: AR2 Halo: ? Mass Effect: ? And maybe other series.

That wasn't a serious post by the way.

because you can read sarcasm

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27588817]Conventional bullets would barely scathe Shepard's shields. A .50 caliber bullet would hit Shepard with what, around 15000 joules? The projectiles from ME have far more energy behind them, especially if you take into account that the closer to the speed of light an object is traveling, the more mass it has. Shields in ME most likely produce a mass effect shield that negates the extreme mass of oncoming projectiles and then attempts to deflect them. However, Chief has no such capability. A piece of sand traveling near the speed of light would hit Chief with way more energy than any weapon he's ever been struck with. If a conventional large-caliber sniper rifle bullet can penetrate Chief's shields, then a shot from an ME firearm would easily get through.[/QUOTE] Now this is some stuff where we know how Spartan armor works and how Mass Effect weapons work, so this could be very accurate to how it would be if it was actually used on it. [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27588880]because you can read sarcasm[/QUOTE] He did say "derp" and I've never seen Chosen say that say any point in this entire thread or make a similar post so it's safe to assume that he's being sarcastic.

Mass Effect: M-98 Widow or M-96 Mattock I think

I wonder how the energy sphere's from Half Life 2 would do against armor from Halo and ME... I mean, it TOTALLY disintegrates most things, except for some armor and extremely solid objects. (Like the armor on the Combine APCs which are said to have armor especially made to protect it from Energy weapons)

Also Warhammer 40,000: Vortex Grenade :v:

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27588908]I wonder how the energy sphere's from Half Life 2 would do against armor from Halo and ME... I mean, it TOTALLY disintegrates most things, except for some armor and extremely solid objects. (Like the armor on the Combine APCs which are said to have armor especially made to protect it from Energy weapons)[/QUOTE] it would probably bounce off

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27588908]I wonder how the energy sphere's from Half Life 2 would do against armor from Halo and ME... I mean, it TOTALLY disintegrates most things, except for some armor and extremely solid objects. (Like the armor on the Combine APCs which are said to have armor especially made to protect it from Energy weapons)[/QUOTE] Well it seems that Gordon can take a hit from it, I'm assuming that everyone else is rather safe from it.

[QUOTE=imadaman;27588940]Also Warhammer 40,000: Vortex Grenade :v:[/QUOTE] everything from warhammer 40k would beat everything lol a flashlight is the equivalent to halo's and masseffects strongest weapons

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27588908]I wonder how the energy sphere's from Half Life 2 would do against armor from Halo and ME... I mean, it TOTALLY disintegrates most things, except for some armor and extremely solid objects. (Like the armor on the Combine APCs which are said to have armor especially made to protect it from Energy weapons)[/QUOTE] Well, it is Dark Energy plasma that disrupts spacetime....

[QUOTE=Erebus.;27588948]Well it seems that Gordon can take a hit from it, I'm assuming that everyone else is rather safe from it.[/QUOTE] Gordan taking a hit from it is either his HEV suit or gameplay reasons, as the game would suck if the Combine could kill you in one hit with it.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27589001]Gordan taking a hit from it is either his HEV suit or gameplay reasons, as the game would suck if the Combine could kill you in one hit with it.[/QUOTE] Isn't the ALT fire for the AR2 a big ball of concentrated energy? Gordon has been shown to survive large bolts of energy (Vorts from HL1) so I'm assuming that it's canonical to survive an ALT fire from an AR2.

[QUOTE=Erebus.;27589038]Isn't the ALT fire for the AR2 a big ball of concentrated energy? [b]That's what i meant when I said "energy spheres."[/b] Gordon has been shown to survive large bolts of energy (Vorts from HL1) so I'm assuming that it's canonical to survive an ALT fire from an AR2. [b] Electricity from the Vorts is different than a sphere of pure energy that disintegrates most matter.[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Erebus.;27589038]Isn't the ALT fire for the AR2 a big ball of concentrated energy? Gordon has been shown to survive large bolts of energy (Vorts from HL1) so I'm assuming that it's canonical to survive an ALT fire from an AR2.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=imadaman;27588989]Well, it is Dark Energy plasma that disrupts spacetime....[/QUOTE] [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] So don't really know how Gordon survives...

[QUOTE=imadaman;27589141][editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] So don't really know how Gordon survives...[/QUOTE] Like I said, gameplay reasons. That is definitely a legitimate gameplay reason, as it'd also be very possible for players to kill themselves or way too easy for the Combine to kill you, detracting from the fun of the game.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27589087][b] Electricity from vorts is different than a sphere of pure energy that disintegrates most matter.[/b][/QUOTE] Yeah. Then again most of the people that are affected by these spheres either have no armor on or they have primitive armor that is probably recycled armor from the armies and police forces that resided that area.

I also think that it MIGHT be the HEV suit as even Valve has claimed that the energy spheres in portal are VERY similar to the energy spheres used by the Combine and they kill Chell in one hit. Even Valve said that "they might or might not be related." [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Erebus.;27589191]Yeah. Then again most of the people that are affected by these spheres either have no armor on or they have primitive armor that is probably recycled armor from the armies and police forces that resided that area.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and I can assure you that Kevlar made to stop bullets isn't as protective as the HEV suit against energy weapons. (The U.S Military was also developing energy weapons in Black Mesa before the events of Half Life so you could hypothesize that they tried making it resistant to energy weapons) [editline]22nd January 2011[/editline] So I think it's safe to assume that the HEV suit MIGHT protect users from the energy balls in the story also. (And other energy weapons, as he was also more resistant to the damage from the AR2's regular pulse fire)

How about Samus? She could take down Chief easy.