Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward. - Games

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27163677]Wheras boltgun rounds just blow up inside you and vary from high explosive to acidic and even highly incencdiary.[/QUOTE] yeah but you would die too fast i want to kill people horribly and painfully

Well I got to go but I'll be sure to check out how this thread goes tomorrow. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27163700]yeah but you would die too fast i want to kill people horribly and painfully[/QUOTE] Don't we all? [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=kevlar jens;27163688]in the future, humanity will face an alien threat that uses MG-42s [img_thumb]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/3135039142_a651f467a3.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Lulz.

Ground Warfare is rather rare in the Halo Universe while fighting the Covenant. We do excel at Ground Warfare but typically they just dominate the orbit around a planet and glass it, for which we have no real muscle to stop. The only time the Covenant invade planets is to locate their 'Holy Relics' (See: Forerunner Artifacts) and usually, after they get them they all withdraw and glass the planet anyway. This has been standard operating procedure since Harvest.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27163700]yeah but you would die too fast i want to kill people horribly and painfully[/QUOTE] Which is why we need incendiary cancer guns.

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;27163688]in the future, humanity will face an alien threat that uses MG-42s [img_thumb]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/3135039142_a651f467a3.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Makes me think of alternate-history Nazis that invent time travel and go forward in time to steal advanced weaponry and win WWII. Edit: No really, that was literally what sprang to mind.

[QUOTE=fskman;27163726]Which is why we need incendiary cancer guns.[/QUOTE] bullet cancer

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27163745]bullet cancer[/QUOTE] yes

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;27163717]Ground Warfare is rather rare in the Halo Universe while fighting the Covenant. We do excel at Ground Warfare but typically they just dominate the orbit around a planet and glass it, for which we have no real muscle to stop. The only time the Covenant invade planets is to locate their 'Holy Relics' (See: Forerunner Artifacts) and usually, after they get them they all withdraw and glass the planet anyway. This has been standard operating procedure since Harvest.[/QUOTE] The Empire doesn't do ground warfare, if there's an enemy base on it they either bombard the planet from space or just blow the entire thing to pieces.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27163700]yeah but you would die too fast i want to kill people horribly and painfully[/QUOTE] If it hurts, it works. Typically you want to injure your enemy so that they have to treat him and spend time and resources to do so. Then they send him home and everyone gets to see why it's not such a good idea to be in a war with you. Not sure how Covenant society works, but I believe that it runs off an honor system where severe injury in combat would be a mark of shame. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27163759]The Empire doesn't do ground warfare, if there's an enemy base on it they either bombard the planet from space or just blow the entire thing to pieces.[/QUOTE] The Empire? We're talking Star Wars now?

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;27163761]If it hurts, it works. Typically you want to injure your enemy so that they have to treat him and spend time and resources to do so. Then they send him home and everyone gets to see why it's not such a good idea to be in a war with you. Not sure how Covenant society works, but I believe that it runs off an honor system where severe injury in combat would be a mark of shame.[/QUOTE] yeah, make them use their resources. it's smart.

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;27163688]in the future, humanity will face an alien threat that can perform intergalactic flight, has hover bikes and cloaking devices and weaponry from 1942(?) [img_thumb]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/3135039142_a651f467a3.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] I'd piss my pants.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;27163761]If it hurts, it works. Typically you want to injure your enemy so that they have to treat him and spend time and resources to do so. Then they send him home and everyone gets to see why it's not such a good idea to be in a war with you. Not sure how Covenant society works, but I believe that it runs off an honor system where severe injury in combat would be a mark of shame. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] The Empire? We're talking Star Wars now?[/QUOTE] Which is why cancer guns/bombs would be so effective. Coming home from battle only to die years later from a large lump? Humiliating.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27162480] most combat takes place at long range.[/QUOTE] AHAHAHAHAHHA. No.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27163677]Wheras boltgun rounds just blow up inside you and vary from high explosive to acidic and even highly incencdiary.[/QUOTE] Any race in warhammer could fare well against any universe here though so be fair.

i like games where you can see and hear enemies feel immense pain it makes me feel badass

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;27163717]Ground Warfare is rather rare in the Halo Universe while fighting the Covenant. We do excel at Ground Warfare but typically they just dominate the orbit around a planet and glass it, for which we have no real muscle to stop. The only time the Covenant invade planets is to locate their 'Holy Relics' (See: Forerunner Artifacts) and usually, after they get them they all withdraw and glass the planet anyway. This has been standard operating procedure since Harvest.[/QUOTE] The Prophets were able to defeat the Sangheili using a single Keyship when the Sangheili were roughly using the ships/tech we know the Covenant used in Halo. I think that shows how powerful the Forerunner were.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27163804]i like games where you can see and hear enemies feel immense pain it makes me feel badass[/QUOTE] I suggest the military. Results may vary.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27163804]i like games where you can see and hear enemies feel immense pain it makes me feel badass[/QUOTE] Your sentence makes me feel worried.

I thought the plasma shots in Halo didn't dissipate because they were surrounded by an electromagnetic field? When that field is broken by some degree of force or interaction with another object, the plasma is free to wreck shop in the few meters around it before the heat diffuses. The concept that there's a mass core in the center of each shot seems silly to me, as weapons like the plasma pistol and plasma rifle don't have any means of placing mass in the middle of the "prongs" that plasma is ejected from. Wouldn't debris and whatnot render plasma weapons virtually useless? I mean, if a plasma shot even nicks a wall, it's going to explode and cease to travel any further, whereas bullets can impact with things and keep going. I figured humans could enshroud armored vehicles in a much denser version of modern RPG cages and effectively render most incoming plasma ineffective. That, or have magnetic sloped armor. It'd take an unrealistically powerful magnet to repel an incoming plasma shot away at the direction it came from, but if you take a strong magnetic armor and slope it, some plasma shots could be magnetically "bounced" off the armor.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27163836]I thought the plasma shots in Halo didn't dissipate because they were surrounded by an electromagnetic field? When that field is broken by some degree of force or interaction with another object, the plasma is free to wreck shop in the few meters around it before the heat diffuses. The concept that there's a mass core in the center of each shot seems silly to me, as weapons like the plasma pistol and plasma rifle don't have any means of placing mass in the middle of the "prongs" that plasma is ejected from. Wouldn't debris and whatnot render plasma weapons virtually useless? I mean, if a plasma shot even nicks a wall, it's going to explode and cease to travel any further, whereas bullets can impact with things and keep going. I figured humans could enshroud armored vehicles in a much denser version of modern RPG cages and effectively render most incoming plasma ineffective. That, or have magnetic sloped armor. It'd take an unrealistically powerful magnet to repel an incoming plasma shot away at the direction it came from, but if you place a strong magnetic armor and sloped it, plasma shots could be magnetically "bounced" off the armor.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the books outright say the small arms are magnetic in nature, but IIRC, never really said much about the Torpedoes. And an rpg cage/magnetically sloped armor wouldn't help much because the main anti-vehicle weapon the Covenant uses are Fuel-Rod guns and really big balls of plasma.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27163677]Wheras boltgun rounds just blow up inside you and vary from high explosive to acidic and even highly incencdiary.[/QUOTE] Lets not even start with heavy bolters, plasma cannons or meltaguns, shall we? Or Titans. :ohdear:

Oh god that Carby kid on the bungie forums...

[QUOTE=Coridan;27163626]Covenant plasma weapons have never made sense to me. Plasma is super heated gas made up of free electrons. The stuff they shoot out of their weapons seems to have some sort of mass and seems very globular. If it was real plasma it would just mist out of the barrel of the weapon and dissipate in the air. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE] Unless they managed to contain the plasma in some sort of high-tech shell casing that disintegrated on impact.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;27163919]Lets not even start with heavy bolters, plasma cannons or meltaguns, shall we?[/QUOTE] or Splinter Weapons

[QUOTE=st ef you;27163944]Unless they managed to contain the plasma in some sort of high-tech shell casing that disintegrated on impact.[/QUOTE] Like I mentioned in an earlier post, they are enshrouded in an electromagnetic field that keeps the plasma from diffusing into the atmosphere.

[img]http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/261/3/2/Overwatch_Pulse_Rifle_Textured_by_SgtHK.jpg[/img] This is the weapon I want.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;27163919]Lets not even start with heavy bolters, plasma cannons or meltaguns, shall we? Or Titans. :ohdear:[/QUOTE] Lets start with necron weaponry?

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;27163943]Oh god that Carby kid on the bungie forums...[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;27163836]I thought the plasma shots in Halo didn't dissipate because they were surrounded by an electromagnetic field? When that field is broken by some degree of force or interaction with another object, the plasma is free to wreck shop in the few meters around it before the heat diffuses. The concept that there's a mass core in the center of each shot seems silly to me, as weapons like the plasma pistol and plasma rifle don't have any means of placing mass in the middle of the "prongs" that plasma is ejected from. Wouldn't debris and whatnot render plasma weapons virtually useless? I mean, if a plasma shot even nicks a wall, it's going to explode and cease to travel any further, whereas bullets can impact with things and keep going. I figured humans could enshroud armored vehicles in a much denser version of modern RPG cages and effectively render most incoming plasma ineffective. That, or have magnetic sloped armor. It'd take an unrealistically powerful magnet to repel an incoming plasma shot away at the direction it came from, but if you take a strong magnetic armor and slope it, some plasma shots could be magnetically "bounced" off the armor.[/QUOTE] Hookey-jookey alien voodoo magic

[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27163599]Not to mention, the Covenant's air force (banshees etc.) would be easily outclassed by modern day fighter jet etc.[/QUOTE] Based on how they're used in game, I'm fairly certain that Banshees aren't true air units per say, more of a light strafe fighter, seeing as they don't even go very fast. The Seraphs would pose a pretty big threat, however.