If you roll Shaman, play Elemental until you can duel wield. Ignore anyone that says different.
[QUOTE=Bulmer;18901700]If you roll Shaman, play Elemental until you can duel wield. Ignore anyone that says different.[/QUOTE]
And I should choose you over others why?
Enhance shaman is pretty fun.
[QUOTE=facepuke;18901690]Rolling a dwarf hunter. Haft to see how I like it.[/QUOTE]
should of rolled a troll, dwarfs suck
[quote]Also, if a raid boss hits your healer, your healer will die, doesn't matter if the taunt is refreshed.
A small percent of one person's threat in a 25 person raid isn't all that much.[/quote]
When tanking every bit of threat counts, and even if 10% doesn't seem like a lot it helps.
[quote]Every class is designed to be able to do their job, right? just because paladin's use mana doesn't mean they go OOM a lot, they have a lot of ways of getting it back.
Bears get rage whenever they dodge or crit.[/quote]
True, but I believe getting your "mana" from getting hit is a bit more useful than traditional mana for a tank.
I'm not saying Paladins, Druids, or DKs suck at tanks or warriors are the very best, but I'm saying a warrior has his usefulness in his own situations while other tanking classes have their own usefulness.
[quote]Shamans also have a retarded amount of CC, so do druids. But they're both hybrids.
Frost shock, frostbrand weapon, grounding totem, hex, thunderstorm + wind shear
Cyclone, nature's grasp/entangling roots, pounce, maim, bash, typhoon.
With the recent AoE nerf, chain lightning just got a bunch better
Hurricane is basically the same as blizzard. Druids also have swipe.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying mage is the best, only that they are a viable class and they have their uses.
My favourite classes are: Druid and Mage. <3
[QUOTE=RidingKeys;18902481]should of rolled a troll, dwarfs suck[/QUOTE]
I wanted to play with friends so I needed alliance.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;18908921]
I'm not saying mage is the best, only that they are a viable class and they have their uses.[/QUOTE]
Difference is shamans can do three things, druds can do 4.
And both shamans and druids have better survivability in pvp, are easier to level (due to the fact they can heal and tank) and are generally more desired in raids, due to their buffs.
Shamans don't have 1/4 of the survivability of a frost mage.
And I'd argue that frost mages have more than resto druids as well.
The mage pretty much never dies first in arena, and uses half pve gear for a good reason.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;18912901]Shamans don't have 1/4 of the survivability of a frost mage.
And I'd argue that frost mages have more than resto druids as well.
The mage pretty much never dies first in arena, and uses half pve gear for a good reason.[/QUOTE]
The fact that shamans can heal and wear mail gives them a fuck bitch of survivability.
Plus thunderstorm is a bitch.
They use half pve gear, because frost does shitty damage.
Really shitty.
Ah hahahaha.
Come back when you get a clue really.
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So x2 ice block, constant ice barrier frost/fire ward blink and constant freezing enemies and stunning them in the freeze is nothing compared to mail? And a 51 point talent that most shamans won't even have.
Oh and shitty mages do shitty damage.
Protip- shattering helps.
[QUOTE=Wayword;18913101]The fact that shamans can heal and wear mail gives them a fuck bitch of survivability.
Plus thunderstorm is a bitch.
They use half pve gear, because frost does shitty damage.
Really shitty.[/QUOTE]
*sigh*
Do I really have to make you look stupid in this topic too?
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Never mind, A.C.I.D did it for me.
Hunter is going great.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;18913428]Ah hahahaha.
Come back when you get a clue really.
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So x2 ice block, constant ice barrier frost/fire ward blink and constant freezing enemies and stunning them in the freeze is nothing compared to mail? And a 51 point talent that most shamans won't even have.
Oh and shitty mages do shitty damage.
Protip- shattering helps.[/QUOTE]
I used to pvp as a frost mage. Got tired of it cause it was so gimped.
You have no decent counter to burst damage and you're heavily reliant on a good healer/other dps.
Even if you have good CC, you can't do any decent burst damage yourself. Sure a weak fireball, or a couple of shatter crits can do decent damage, but it's nothing like lava burst.
Also, ice barrer absorbs like 5k damage, and the wards absorb like half that, and they all have a 30 second cooldown. If you're taking constant hits, wards and ice barrier aren't going to help you.
If you look at the grand scheme of things, deep freeze requires your target to be frozen, and it has a 30 second cooldown. Cold snap has an 8 minute cooldown. So true you can get two ice blocks 30 seconds from each other, but then you can't do that again until ice block is off cooldown.
Also, iceblock can be shattered or mass dispelled, so it's not all that great anymore.
Also, almost all your abilities can be removed through dispells. Ice barrier, wards, roots, etc. can all be dispelled/stolen.
Also water elemental is a joke, his frost nova is decent, but has a 45 second cooldown and he doesn't do shit for damage.
Shattering doesn't help when frost bolt never crits for above 8k.
[QUOTE=Wayword;18913101]The fact that shamans can heal and wear mail gives them a fuck bitch of survivability.
Plus thunderstorm is a bitch.
They use half pve gear, because frost does shitty damage.
Really shitty.[/QUOTE]
shut the fuck up do you know anything hahahaha
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[quote=wayword;18914172]i used to pvp as a frost mage. Got tired of it cause it was so gimped.
You have no decent counter to burst damage and you're heavily reliant on a good healer/other dps.
Even if you have good cc, you can't do any decent burst damage yourself. Sure a weak fireball, or a couple of shatter crits can do decent damage, but it's nothing like lava burst.
[/quote]
holy fuck youre so bad
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;18912901]Shamans don't have 1/4 of the survivability of a frost mage.
And I'd argue that frost mages have more than resto druids as well.
The mage pretty much never dies first in arena, and uses half pve gear for a good reason.[/QUOTE]
Mages are pretty good to lock down with dispels, offensive and defensive. Imo.
Only in 2s.
And lets face it most dispel teams wouldn't have time to be doing that v a mage team.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;18917904]Only in 2s.
And lets face it most dispel teams wouldn't have time to be doing that v a mage team.[/QUOTE]
No, the first match we ever played against was an DMP (As in, FeralDru, Frostmage, Priest) and our set-up was some half-ass attempt with Restodruid/Affliwlock/Enhashaman, surprisingly we won. [b]Edit:[/b] The Mage was also the first one of them to die.
Oh and, they were all [b]Furious Gladiators[/b], their mage was rank1 in 5v5 as well!
Some other decent/good Mage teams weren't too hard either.
What spec priest and yes it matters
Disc. It was RMP, but Feral Druid instead of Rogue. Mage was frost too, so 2 unbreakable iceblocks almost every time.
Somebody told me nobody would take hunters into parties at higher levels. Is this true?
Warrior is coolio after 20.
I got 2x Butcher's Slicers from SFK in dual-wield, the combat goes like this:
Build up rage, build up rage, press heroic strike, RNG happens, explosions, screaming, raping, pillaging, death.
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;18913428]Ah hahahaha.
Come back when you get a clue really.
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So x2 ice block, constant ice barrier frost/fire ward blink and constant freezing enemies and stunning them in the freeze is nothing compared to mail? And a 51 point talent that most shamans won't even have.
Oh and shitty mages do shitty damage.
Protip- shattering helps.[/QUOTE]
On the other hand mages are weak if they're being trained by a dispel bot. Playing DRM we came across the highest RMP and they simply trained out mage mashing dispel and MDing the block. Regardless a good mage will win a duel 99% of the time.
[QUOTE=Wayword;18914172]I used to pvp as a frost mage. Got tired of it cause it was so gimped.
You have no decent counter to burst damage and you're heavily reliant on a good healer/other dps.
Even if you have good CC, you can't do any decent burst damage yourself. Sure a weak fireball, or a couple of shatter crits can do decent damage, but it's nothing like lava burst.
Also, ice barrer absorbs like 5k damage, and the wards absorb like half that, and they all have a 30 second cooldown. If you're taking constant hits, wards and ice barrier aren't going to help you.
If you look at the grand scheme of things, deep freeze requires your target to be frozen, and it has a 30 second cooldown. Cold snap has an 8 minute cooldown. So true you can get two ice blocks 30 seconds from each other, but then you can't do that again until ice block is off cooldown.
Also, iceblock can be shattered or mass dispelled, so it's not all that great anymore.
Also, almost all your abilities can be removed through dispells. Ice barrier, wards, roots, etc. can all be dispelled/stolen.
Also water elemental is a joke, his frost nova is decent, but has a 45 second cooldown and he doesn't do shit for damage.
Shattering doesn't help when frost bolt never crits for above 8k.[/QUOTE]
I don't exactly know what you are whining here, but in 2v2 at least, my [b]first[/b] attempt with Rogue/Mage, with a full furious (more or less) geared rogue, we went 2000rating without Any problems.
And 3v3.. well never really got into playing that bracket, but it didn't seem impossible.
Mages are in a pretty good fit right now.
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[QUOTE=facepuke;18927294]Somebody told me nobody would take hunters into parties at higher levels. Is this true?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=facepuke;18927294]Somebody told me nobody would take hunters into parties at higher levels. Is this true?[/QUOTE]
Hunters are very useful in raids and dungeons. However, there are a lot of hunters so finding a guild might be hard.
Just tanked RFK with a 25 warrior, was fun.
I lost corpsemaker to a fucking retardin but meh.
Hunter is great to get into the game.
For me, I don't play wow anymore, but on bc times, I was more than happy with a healdruid.
It's the most complicated healclass you can have (since there are always alot of heals to keep up on alot of people)
And yeah, that was the most fun class to play for me.
[QUOTE=varj;18936692]I don't exactly know what you are whining here, but in 2v2 at least, my [b]first[/b] attempt with Rogue/Mage, with a full furious (more or less) geared rogue, we went 2000rating without Any problems.
And 3v3.. well never really got into playing that bracket, but it didn't seem impossible.
Mages are in a pretty good fit right now.
[/QUOTE]
2v2 is cake.
With like 2-3 guys focusing fire on you in 3s or 5s, you won't last 5 seconds.
They always target the mage first too.
[QUOTE=Wayword;18951991]2v2 is cake.
With like 2-3 guys focusing fire on you in 3s or 5s, you won't last 5 seconds.
They always target the mage first too.[/QUOTE]
Alright so say you facing a RMP as an RMP playing as a mage and because the other team is bad they attempt to go for you instead of doing as everyone else does which is go after the rogue who is dead once CDs are up.
You being the mage on the other hand have double ice block constant barrier, melee can't touch you, constant freezing on the spot, the ability to lock the priest out of all his healing spells for ~7 seconds, to get his 60% of his mana and health back in a few seconds.
Even with all his CDs gone mages can still be constantly blinking away freezing, kiting off and silencing.
Compared with say the rogue that can't do anything but stand there and take damage when all his CDs are gone. Or the priest who can be outlasted by every other healing class.
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