[QUOTE=Informative Man;28384073]btw I just realized that if a karthus is on the enemy team and you have a leaver before you even join the game, he can feed off the level 1 leaver by using his ult. Can someone confirm this because it sounds funny[/QUOTE]
He used to, but you needed items + not level 1 ulti usually. It also depends on what global objectives they get to give them more XP
[editline]2nd March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Informative Man;28384153]chill bro things get weird when i think of strategies[/QUOTE]
SataniX is mad because cassiopeia is bad don't worry
[QUOTE=suppertime;28384131]She's bad because her ulti almost never stuns (there's enough time for everyone to turn around), she doesn't have enough mana to sustain her combo, and she relies heavily on chaining her skills.
Compare her to other AP casters:
Ryze: He's a joke now, spam Q is his combo. 400 damage every 3 seconds, his full combo is something stupid like 1k+ damage every 9-10 seconds.
Annie: AoE stun which ALWAYS works. 3 Second Q = ~400 damage. Tibblers = AoE stun, AoE Burst + sustained damage ~140 per second to one target, ~80 per second to other targets
Malzahar: His ulti is a long long long stun. His Dots + silence + pool have crazy scaling, he spams his skills a lot.
Leblanc: Fuck off her base damage is ridiculous, she's not item dependant at all, and then she gets items and snowballs hard
Anivia: Easy to combo (still) and combos more often + more consistently than cassiopeia, combos more than any other AP champ
Kassadin: Massive AoE damage, Massive damage with silence, 3 second flash <- crazy good ulti
Sion: As an AP burst he has lots of things going for him. Easy farming (shield pop it lock it). Great scaling (both are 1.0 scaling herp derp). 2 second stun which has the 1.0 scaling and easily chains into his shield.
Veigar: More consistent stun, good AoE damage, has an amazing Q which farms him free AP, his ulti wrecks anyone else who has AP
[editline]2nd March 2011[/editline]
Since when do they get 1k MR? Must have missed that patch... I feel like you're calling us retards for bashing cassiopeia who is never played in Elos above 1400[/QUOTE]
Next time Cassio is free, play me. Honest to god. Cassio can out-nuke Ryze. Pre-change Ryze, atleast, I haven't played her since then.
idk man in that riot video humans vs bots soraka bot solo'd olaf
:v:
Explain to me, exactly, how Cassio is bad.
YES, she is counterable, but what champion isn't??!
YES, if she gets CC'ed she gets fked over, but what squishy caster doesn't?
YES, she needs mana. That's what Archangel's Staff is for.
[QUOTE=SataniX;28384208]Explain to me, exactly, how Cassio is bad.
YES, she is counterable, but what champion isn't??!
YES, if she gets CC'ed she gets fked over, but what squishy caster doesn't?
YES, she needs mana. That's what Archangel's Staff is for.[/QUOTE]
she's ugly
[QUOTE=SataniX;28384294]So's Eve, so's Trundle.[/QUOTE]
but trundle has sass
Ok Theory crafting why Cass is bad:
1150 mana with no items @ 18
Costs:
NB, 235 + 0.9 (over 3 seconds)
3 second cool down 75 mana
Miasma, 65+0.15 (per second for 2 seconds) cloud lasts 7 seconds
costs 110 mana
Twin fang, 200 + 0.55
90 mana cost, CD is 5 seconds, if they were poisiond CD is 0.5 seconds
Ulti: 400 + 0.6
costs 200 mana, stuns for 2 seconds, slows for 60%
110 CD
Enemy needs to be poisoned for twin fang to be good. Poison only happens every 9 seconds, enemies counter this by NOT WALKING INTO THE POISON which makes twin fang really bad.
Her Noxious blast is also bad since champs can WALK OUT OF THE EFFECT and take a lot less damage.
Her ulti has ok damage but the 2 second stun? What? Annie's is 1.75 seconds and is free and happens every 20-25 seconds or so... Not every 110 seconds...
Sion's is 2 seconds at level 1, same with Taric's... Jarvan's ulti is a 3 second blockage with better damage and scaling than cassiopeia's...
Annie's tibblers does 450 + 0.7 damage AoE which is more base + better scaling, same stun but it ALWAYS 100% works, way more sustained damage...
How about instead of me pointing out why she's bad (since you refuse to believe me) you tell me why she's good?
Also, ryze has way more survivability so he nukes harder and longer, and doesn't need to combo.
[QUOTE=SataniX;28384208]Explain to me, exactly, how Cassio is bad.
YES, she is counterable, but what champion isn't??!
YES, if she gets CC'ed she gets fked over, but what squishy caster doesn't?
YES, she needs mana. That's what Archangel's Staff is for.[/QUOTE]
Her ratios suck, her CC is awful, two out of three of her abilities are easily dodgeable if you have hands.
[QUOTE=Banned?;28384351]Her ratios suck, her CC is awful, two out of three of her abilities are easily dodgeable if you have hands.[/QUOTE]
kogmaw can't dodge? :smith:
[QUOTE=Banned?;28384351]two out of three of her abilities are easily dodgeable if you have hands.[/QUOTE]
THE STUN
/facepalm at the people not reading my posts.
[QUOTE=SataniX;28384396]THE STUN
/facepalm at the people not reading my posts.[/QUOTE]
The stun is bad, read my posts :|
[QUOTE=SataniX;28384396]THE STUN
/facepalm at the people not reading my posts.[/QUOTE]
YOU HAVE TO BE FACING HER. You can easily turn you character around before it goes off because there is a windup animation and a sound before it triggers giving you all the time you need to look away.
[QUOTE=suppertime;28384321]Ok Theory crafting why Cass is bad:
1150 mana with no items @ 18
Costs:
NB, 235 + 0.9 (over 3 seconds)
3 second cool down 75 mana
Miasma, 65+0.15 (per second for 2 seconds) cloud lasts 7 seconds
costs 110 mana
Twin fang, 200 + 0.55
90 mana cost, CD is 5 seconds, if they were poisiond CD is 0.5 seconds
Ulti: 400 + 0.6
costs 200 mana, stuns for 2 seconds, slows for 60%
110 CD
Enemy needs to be poisoned for twin fang to be good. Poison only happens every 9 seconds, enemies counter this by NOT WALKING INTO THE POISON which makes twin fang really bad.
Her Noxious blast is also bad since champs can WALK OUT OF THE EFFECT and take a lot less damage.
Her ulti has ok damage but the 2 second stun? What? Annie's is 1.75 seconds and is free and happens every 20-25 seconds or so... Not every 110 seconds...
Sion's is 2 seconds at level 1, same with Taric's... Jarvan's ulti is a 3 second blockage with better damage and scaling than cassiopeia's...
Annie's tibblers does 450 + 0.7 damage AoE which is more base + better scaling, same stun but it ALWAYS 100% works, way more sustained damage...
How about instead of me pointing out why she's bad (since you refuse to believe me) you tell me why she's good?
Also, ryze has way more survivability so he nukes harder and longer, and doesn't need to combo.[/QUOTE]
350 damage every .5 seconds.
Is that not good?
Jarvan is really nice support for the team!
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/JarvanIV.png[/img]
[QUOTE=TyHap;28384473]Jarvan is really nice support for the team!
[img_thumb]http://filesmelt.com/dl/JarvanIV.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
jarvan's a bro
[QUOTE=SataniX;28384459]350 damage every .5 seconds.
Is that not good?[/QUOTE]
Because it ISN'T 350 damage every .5 seconds. They just have to walk OUT of your poison and your combo is ruined. People aren't god damn retards who stand around in poison derpin' it up. It's 350 every 5 seconds
How are you people building Partyvan?
I do Last Whisper, Bloodthirster, and then team depending I either go Banshee's Veil or a third offensive item.
[QUOTE=TyHap;28384473]Jarvan is really nice support for the team!
-snip-[/QUOTE]
10 deaths, oh lawd.
How to carry as Jarvan bob style:
Q, E, Q, W, follow the progression, R->Q->W->E
Build
Rewgrowth pendant
Philo stone
boots 1
yoomuu's
merc treads
Everything else is situational.
Sometimes early ruby, sometimes infinity edge, bob likes warmogs.
That stun is so puny it makes Mundo's cleaver look like a Sion stun.
[QUOTE=Banned?;28384516]How are you people building Partyvan?
I do Last Whisper, Bloodthirster, and then team depending I either go Banshee's Veil or a third offensive item.[/QUOTE]
Well the way I saw my friend go was to build half tank half damage. As I said before he died only twice in three games and had the highest k/d, but aside from that he was great 1v1 and generally raped
[QUOTE=Informative Man;28384591]Well the way I saw my friend go was to build half tank half damage. As I said before he died only twice in three games and had the highest k/d, but aside from that he was great 1v1 and generally raped[/QUOTE]
Yeah, build him as an initiator. Some survivability items, lots of AD items. Merc treads because fuck slows / stuns.
Bob theory crafted the shit out of warmogs and it's apparently awesome. Warmogs is the most efficient defensive item for one slot. Which matters if the game takes more than 40 minutes. Atma's is bad though.
[editline]2nd March 2011[/editline]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpxWo28sT6U[/media]
Bob's philosophy on reading guides / recommended runes for champions.
[img]http://i.cubeupload.com/i2YAeB.png[/img]
Shen's ultimate is so awesome, allowing a quick teleport for tower diving the enemy and then destroying it, or helping a 1 vs 1 and turning it into your favor.
[QUOTE=PirateMax;28384947][img_thumb]http://i.cubeupload.com/i2YAeB.png[/img_thumb]
Shen's ultimate is so awesome, allowing a quick teleport for tower diving the enemy and then destroying it, or helping a 1 vs 1 and turning it into your favor.[/QUOTE]
when I play kogmaw, shen is the best teammate ever
Some people are just learning how OP shen is??
[QUOTE=suppertime;28385023]Some people are just learning how OP shen is??[/QUOTE]
the more shens, the better
Nothing but fucking scrubs all day. Really?
I get people that die 3-4 times in 12-15 minutes in every single match today. Omfg.
[QUOTE=Daniellynet;28385060]Nothing but fucking scrubs all day. Really?
I get people that die 3-4 times in 12-15 minutes in every single match today. Omfg.[/QUOTE]
All patch day erryday... wait patch day was yesterday... Guess it's because the LoL community features a diverse selection of gamers? ie pros and scrubs.
[QUOTE=Informative Man;28385051]the more shens, the better[/QUOTE]
I disagree. I don't want anymore attention on him than he already has.
[QUOTE=Banned?;28385393]I disagree. I don't want anymore attention on him than he already has.[/QUOTE]
How can there be more attention than every pro calling him tier 1, and him being instant ban 90% of the time. AND he destroyed so many matchs in the NESL games?
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