One thing I'll say about Cho'Gath is that he is fucking [I]terrible[/I] at pushing a tower. He can take out the creepwaves instantly, sure, but he can smack on the tower all day long without bringing it down. It's very frustrating when I want to go roam, but I can't get any help in taking the tower up top!
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;38233160]One thing I'll say about Cho'Gath is that he is fucking [I]terrible[/I] at pushing a tower. He can take out the creepwaves instantly, sure, but he can smack on the tower all day long without bringing it down. It's very frustrating when I want to go roam, but I can't get any help in taking the tower up top![/QUOTE]
How are you building him? Generally.
[QUOTE=Espio;38233103]But flubadoo you're forgetting about his short cooldown teleport ultimate that is entirely unmatched by any champion, especially those like diana and gragas that have better burst and utility[url=http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/1/19/1263942659123/SarcMark-002.jpg].[/url][/QUOTE]
i know that his ult is pretty good, and basically is insurance for his laning, but in the end, he only has two damage abilities, and as a result will probably be using the ult to haul ass out of a lane because he's getting out-traded by better damage
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you can't gank him, but you sure as hell can just zone him and deny cs
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;38233180]i know that his ult is pretty good, and basically is insurance for his laning, but in the end, he only has two damage abilities, and as a result will probably be using the ult to haul ass out of a lane because he's getting out-traded by better damage
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you can't gank him, but you sure as hell can just zone him and deny cs[/QUOTE]
All four of his abilities do damage and his ultimate is a pretty big part of his burst.
[QUOTE=Clive;38233167]How are you building him? Generally.[/QUOTE]
I'm tweaking it all the time, but lately I've been going
Boots and potions
Chalice of Harmony and Boots 2 on first back
Rod of Ages
Finish Athene's Unholy Grail
Frozen Heart (sometimes swap order of Athene's and Frozen Heart, depending on which I need more)
FLEXIBLE (Rylai's, Abyssal Scepter, Force of Nature)
Guardian Angel
The problem with this build so far is that, while it gives me lots of early game survivability, my damage is very underwhelming, meaning I can't push tankier champions out of lane. I'll probably need to adjust, a bit.
[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;38233217]All four of his abilities do damage and his ultimate is a pretty big part of his burst.[/QUOTE]
his W you aren't going to level more than once
his ult requires stacks to start dealing damage, which you won't be doing in laning due to mana issues
other casters have up to 4 real damage abilities
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;38233219]I'm tweaking it all the time, but lately I've been going
Boots and potions
Chalice of Harmony and Boots 2 on first back
Rod of Ages
Finish Athene's Unholy Grail
Frozen Heart (sometimes swap order of Athene's and Frozen Heart, depending on which I need more)
FLEXIBLE (Rylai's, Abyssal Scepter, Force of Nature)
Guardian Angel
The problem with this build so far is that, while it gives me lots of early game survivability, my damage is very underwhelming, meaning I can't push tankier champions out of lane. I'll probably need to adjust, a bit.[/QUOTE]
It's a solid build however it doesn't really give you much of anything expect being a tank and a not very armored one at that. You shouldn't really mix the two, AP and Tank either go one or the other. I used it play Cho'Gath a lot and all I can really advise you on is.
Boots and Pots
(You don't really need the chalice because of your passive)
Rod of Ages
Either: Abyssal or Deathcap
Wits end (Assuming that you are maxing E after Q)
Then you can carry on your build as normal. The wits end gives you the pushing power you need and a little bit of defense. You could get a frozen heart after that, your Q will do a fair bit of damage but you are mainly there for the CC.
I never really liked Twisted Fate, but then i was watching phreak play as him and i kinda got interested, and then today all i have really done is play Twisted fate.
Wait, maxing Q first and E second? Why do you do that? The Q is too unreliable to max first, and the E doesn't give you all that much extra damage (and will push your lane quite hard).
I max Feral Scream first, because its a very reliable high damage AOE silence move. I max Q second, and E Last, and in Teamfights just focus on eating their carry and throwing out high-damage disruptions to aid my own.
It sounds like we play Cho'Gath very differently. Why do you max Q and E first, if I might ask?
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;38233180]i know that his ult is pretty good, and basically is insurance for his laning, but in the end, he only has two damage abilities, and as a result will probably be using the ult to haul ass out of a lane because he's getting out-traded by better damage
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you can't gank him, but you sure as hell can just zone him and deny cs[/QUOTE]
I was being sarcastic and tried to make it obvious with the image link under the full stop but w/e, I really think Gragas' e is just a plain better version of kass' ult, it has 100 less range and a flat 7 second cd but everything else is far better
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;38233323]Wait, maxing Q first and E second? Why do you do that? The Q is too unreliable to max first, and the E doesn't give you all that much extra damage (and will push your lane quite hard).
I max Feral Scream first, because its a very reliable high damage AOE silence move. I max Q second, and E Last, and in Teamfights just focus on eating their carry and throwing out high-damage disruptions to aid my own.
It sounds like we play Cho'Gath very differently. Why do you max Q and E first, if I might ask?[/QUOTE]
Q because of the High Damage output, I see your point that is unreliable to hit. Personally I don't find it that hard to connect it, If they are melee e.g. Irelia as soon as so Q's you, you put the Q on yourself. If they are ranged then just follow their movements it's easy once you get the hang of it. It is also great for escapes if you are being chased by an enemy turn and Q will give you a huge space between you and will let you escape.
I max E second because it scales with your feast (The bigger you are the bigger the spikes). It's easier for farming (Although sometimes you will need to turn it off not to push your lane). Once you get a Wits end your E will do huge damage and it hits see fast.
I always take Feral Scream last because it's a low output of damage compared to Q and E. You will need to hit and enemy twice with E to get the damage that W gives you (Both at level one) and this is easy when you connect a Q. I put a point in at level 4 for CC purposes that's it.
If you try a couple of games this way, hopefully you will see what I mean.
why would you not max W on cho first, its a 3 second long AoE silence at max rank
Maxing Q isn't TOO bad, it's just maxing W is much more reliable.
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;38232894]kassadin probably counters like 1 champion and that's it
he's not an antimage[/QUOTE]
Kassadin became bad after his first nerf which was q range, riot just doesn't know when to stop when it comes to nerfing, they over do everything and refuse to revert nerfs.
carrying hard with xin bot
ad carries are for weaklings
Man playing support in ranked is the hardest thing Ive ever had to do. It's like baby sitting a mentally handicapped child.
ad carries are a pain to maintain in normals/lower elos
i mean:
-need tons of gold
-squishy as hell and easy to kill
-suck until mid-lategame
-never position right
better to have a tanky dps who can:
-need less gold
-tanky
-destroys throughout all of the game
-positioning matters way less
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granted, ad carries still become a lot more useful than a tanky dps with enough farm past 40 minutes no matter what usually, but still don't like the concept of most of a team's gold being funneled into a single player and relying on them
Double bruiser bot works but it has to be hyper aggressive to make it have a worthwhile payoff.
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Ap carry bot works too.
[img]http://puu.sh/1k5zd[/img]
Fuck that Ez, good thing I counted as 3 people, also can't believe that Morde and WW ganks didn't work, they underestimated my early game hard and I snowballed the fuck out of there.
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Also Flub forgive me ;_;
if you didn't leave us you wouldn't have had to try so hard
7/1 xin 2 ez
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;38233219]I'm tweaking it all the time, but lately I've been going
Boots and potions
Chalice of Harmony and Boots 2 on first back
Rod of Ages
Finish Athene's Unholy Grail
Frozen Heart (sometimes swap order of Athene's and Frozen Heart, depending on which I need more)
FLEXIBLE (Rylai's, Abyssal Scepter, Force of Nature)
Guardian Angel
The problem with this build so far is that, while it gives me lots of early game survivability, my damage is very underwhelming, meaning I can't push tankier champions out of lane. I'll probably need to adjust, a bit.[/QUOTE]
you should try jungle cho
0/21/9 masteries
atk speed reds, armor yellow, mr per level blues and choice quints (i use MS quints)
go boots 3 pots and start blue, EQEW skillorder then whatever, cause of his passive you won't get bellow half health ever
rush philo stone and HoG then wit's end and frozen heart then whatever you want (GA, FoN w/e)
it's p awesome
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;38234081]if you didn't leave us you wouldn't have had to try so hard
7/1 xin 2 ez[/QUOTE]
Delicious tears when Sona started trolling when she was only lvl7 while we were around 12-14
Started playing LoL.
Jezus fuck, the people who play it always cry.
[QUOTE=LiquidBullet;38234125]Started playing LoL.
Jezus fuck, the people who play it always cry.[/QUOTE]
It comes with the territory. MOBAs have a higher percentage of dickheads because the success of the match usually requires all 5 members of the team to perform well. Unlike FPS games where bad players aren't as impactful, in MOBA games a bad player can spell defeat no matter how hard you try. It's also a lot easier to call people out for mistakes as there are a lot more statistics to pick at.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOr_kmyvxVY[/media]
how can you be so dumb
Eh to be fair it's like an automatic response. When you see someone hug the wall you instantly flash over to catch them.
But she used her flash already and her E couldnt do shit :v:
to be fair her e only had around 1 second cd remaining so she could have e'd to dragon pit
reminds me of this time a shyvana flashed over a wall while i was chasing her as ezreal, then she proceeded to dragonjump back over to me and die. she thought i was going to arcade shift to get to her but i didn't
that video reminds me of
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcWlkZSfey8[/media]
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