[url]http://elophant.com/influence-points[/url]
am I late
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also does anyone on NA want to play with me? c:
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38258623]item wise, your main purpose as support is to buy wards. aura items etc are nice but you don't really need them early on.
i'd recommend buying gp10 runes if you play a lot of support. philo stone and heart of gold should be your first two items.
wards are already fairly cheap, giving back gold for them not getting destroyed seems a bit much. furthermore, warding isn't really something that involves skill - it seems pointless to reward a player for their ward not getting destroyed when that's the other team's fault for not finding it, and not their own expertise at putting wards in hard-to-reach places or something.[/QUOTE]
I've mained support for quite some time, this is nothing new to me. :v:
yeah i don't exactly spend a lot of time in this thread and a lot of people who post here are new/inexperienced. it's generally safe to assume, you don't need to be a smartass about me guessing wrong
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especially when your post was about how the game should reward you for something that takes no skill to do just because you're [i]generous enough[/i] to buy wards for your team.
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and based on your history of posting about how karma is a solid support, qss should be bought versus darius, and.. well.. [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1218977&p=38135535&viewfull=1#post38135535]this[/url], it's pretty logical to assume that you're either under 1300 elo or not summoner level 30 yet.
saying you "main support" means nothing when you consider the number of sub-1400 supports who don't know what first items to buy.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;38258552]Holy fuck, what have I done.[/QUOTE]
jesus christ
i'm glad i didn't get a response
[QUOTE=ashxu;38258557]wow
you're Yi horribly wrong
here's a guide
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-fIOrUTIOQ[/media][/QUOTE]
why did they change the video and add unfunny shit? (sanic, etc)
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;38258535]. I really like melee, but I had some fun playing with Ashe when I first played. Dealing a lot of damage is more fun to me than taking a lot of damage, so anyone who I should look into with all of that in mind? Thanks ahead for any suggestions.[/QUOTE]
I like to play ranged champs because I'm a pussy and hate dying. (Not sarcasm)
Hahahaha, wow. Just watched a new friend play for the first time, he did fairly well as Blitz but on his team he had a Yi who spent the entire game (also being an obvious smurf) bragging about how much better he was than everyone else, screaming KS like an angry toddler every time he didn't get the killing blow in teamfights and telling the enemy team to "1v1 me at dragon fag", I thought people exaggerated about low level play, I never remember it being like this when I played.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259049]yeah i don't exactly spend a lot of time in this thread and a lot of people who post here are new/inexperienced. it's generally safe to assume, you don't need to be a smartass about me guessing wrong[/QUOTE]
Wasn't really being a smart ass but ok
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259049]especially when your post was about how the game should reward you for something that takes no skill to do just because you're [i]generous enough[/i] to buy wards for your team.[/QUOTE]
Uhm no, I was just trying to reason out how exactly morello's planning on giving supports more money without just making a GP10 that gives more money that other laners might want as well, are you serious
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259049]and based on your history of posting about how karma is a solid support, qss should be bought versus darius, and.. well.. [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1218977&p=38135535&viewfull=1#post38135535]this[/url], it's pretty logical to assume that you're either under 1300 elo or not summoner level 30 yet.
saying you "main support" means nothing when you consider the number of sub-1400 supports who don't know what first items to buy.[/QUOTE]
Wow were you actually so enraged by me finding it kinda funny that you told me some basic info about supports that you went back and looked through my post history to find things you consider questionable? First off, QSS isn't a bad buy against darius because it'll allow you to take half damage from his ultimate if you time it right (especially considering his ultimate is true damage). Second of all, what's wrong with the MF comment? It's true that a good ezreal could dodge her ulti with his arcane shift and it's pretty devastating to negate an enemy's ultimate with a normal ability (excluding when you're hard CC'd I suppose). I can't tell if you're just awful or just really that mad and not thinking straight, but was this post really necessary?
AD Swain bot with Ryze support is the best.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ZwcCW.png[/IMG]
Ryze snare > Swain's E > Swain's snare > Laserbird > ??? > get fed
qss isn't a counter to darius if you only take away half the damage from his ult
you're wasting money buying MR, so darius will just shred you with his Q and W
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he's not only his ult you know
the mf comment shows that you have no idea how ad carries work. mf's ult is arguably one of the most useless ultimates in the game and ezreal having an [b]11 second[/b] cooldown skill to dodge a short-range, low damage skill used for picking off low health enemies doesn't make him a counterpick to her in lane. mf's entire damage comes from her auto attacks and her w passive.
if you're going to take up 20% of a team playing a role that entirely revolves around getting the ad carry to late game, you need to understand the ad carry's role on the team and what their strengths/weaknesses are.
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and again with darius - his ulti works best on low health enemies. the 1400 gold you're blowing on qss is better spent buying armor to negate his harass in lane so you don't get to that low health.
in general, what i'm saying is that your sense of priority is out of whack. just because something counters something else doesn't make it worth the gold or champion pick for it.
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and
without any runes or masteries, mf has about .8 attack speed at level 6 and 64.5 ad. her ulti does 65 damage per wave at its first level. an mf auto attacking does almost the same damage as her ult does with each wave of it. so explain how an 11 second cooldown hard counters her damage.
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;38259292]qss isn't a counter to darius if you only take away half the damage from his ult
you're wasting money buying MR, so darius will just shred you with his Q and W
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he's not only his ult you know[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it won't give you as much sustain in lane but in a short duration duel it appears to be mathematically more survivability considering his ultimate should be his most damaging ability. It's not like I'm recommending you stack MR against darius or anything, it's just one item that can be useful in some situations. It's also a big deal to prevent darius's ult from killing you itself, because if he does he gets to use it again immediately on one of your team-mates in a teamfight.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259306]the mf comment shows that you have no idea how ad carries work. mf's ult is arguably one of the most useless ultimates in the game and ezreal having an [B]11 second[/B] cooldown skill to dodge a short-range, low damage skill used for picking off low health enemies doesn't make him a counterpick to her in lane. mf's entire damage comes from her auto attacks and her w passive.
if you're going to take up 20% of a team playing a role that entirely revolves around getting the ad carry to late game, you need to understand the ad carry's role on the team and what their strengths/weaknesses are.[/QUOTE]
How is 1400 short range, and how is 1000 + 3.6*bonus AD low damage. Yeah, it's unlikely you're going to get a whole ulti on someone but that's why I think Ezreal should be better against her than most. I'm well aware that autoattacks are most of an AD carry's damage, but that doesn't mean you should think of an AD as right click to win exclusively, a well placed MF ulti can devastate a team.
there is really nothing else i can say to argue with you. i've already mathematically explained why mf's ult is useless early game and you still fail to see the holes in your logic.
you are either a very good troll or a very bad support.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259306]without any runes or masteries, mf has about .8 attack speed at level 6 and 64.5 ad. her ulti does 65 damage per wave at its first level. an mf auto attacking does almost the same damage as her ult does with each wave of it. so explain how an 11 second cooldown hard counters her damage.[/QUOTE]
What. Yeah, it's 65 damage per wave, but there's [B]8 waves in 2 seconds[/B], which is an effective attack speed of 4 hits per second, whereas the max attack speed you can even get is 2.5. So if you really wanna just consider basic attacks without her passive vs her ulti with 0 bonus damage, it'll be 520 damage for her ulti or 129 damage for her autoattacks since she won't even get a third off in 2 seconds. Her ulti will also be more than double the range and hopefully hit more than 1 person. So what point were you trying to make here? That her ulti is useless because...?
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259426]there is really nothing else i can say to argue with you. [b]i've already mathematically explained why mf's ult is useless early game[/b] and you still fail to see the holes in your logic.
you are either a very good troll or a very bad support.[/QUOTE]
You are very bad at math :suicide:
.8 auto attacks per second do 64.5 damage. one wave of ult does 65 damage and has a 2 minute cooldown.
mf can sit and auto attack you in lane while placing dot/healing reduction on you. dodging one auto attack's damage worth of her ult doesn't make a champion with a flash (REMINDER: most adcs have gap closers) doesn't make it a hard counter.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259306]without any runes or masteries, mf has about .8 attack speed at level 6 and 64.5 ad. her ulti does 65 damage per wave at its first level. an mf auto attacking does almost the same damage as her ult does with each wave of it. so explain how an 11 second cooldown hard counters her damage.[/QUOTE]
If her autoattacks do as much damage as her ult per wave she would need to be attacking at a 4.0 attack speed to match the damage from her ult as MF fires 4 waves per second for 2 seconds while ulting
Also MF's ult isn't bad or useless in any way, even early game it's still a massive damage aoe ult with a 1400 range, the only downside is that you have to stand still while using it
Edit: Is this argument really over some comment someone made over a week ago
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259525].8 auto attacks per second do 64.5 damage. one wave of ult does 65 damage and has a 2 minute cooldown.
mf can sit and auto attack you in lane while placing dot/healing reduction on you. dodging one auto attack's damage worth of her ult doesn't make a champion with a flash (REMINDER: most adcs have gap closers) doesn't make it a hard counter.[/QUOTE]
You're expecting an enemy AD carry to stand still while you auto-attack them and you're telling ME I don't know how AD carries work? Yeah, if an enemy is standing completely still while you autoattack them you're going to do more damage over time than your ulti because of the cooldown, but that's generally not how laning works.
yes, good job. mf's ult with a [b]120 second cooldown[/b] does a small amount of damage in a shorter period of time than a sustained series of auto attacks.
whether you die or not, if an mf is auto attacking you in lane and applying her dot to you constantly, if she's winning the lane you're going to be low health and have trouble csing. one kill equals 13 cs. if she's 13 cs ahead of you because you have to constantly b or lose cs because of low health, that's the equivalent of her having one kill over you.
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[QUOTE=Elspin;38259545]You're expecting an enemy AD carry to stand still while you auto-attack them and you're telling ME I don't know how AD carries work? Yeah, if an enemy is standing completely still while you autoattack them you're going to do more damage over time than your ulti because of the cooldown, but that's generally not how laning works.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kxGQ3gWdrM[/media]
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259548]yes, good job. mf's ult with a [b]50 second cooldown[/b] does a small amount of damage in a shorter period of time than a sustained series of auto attacks.
whether you die or not, if an mf is auto attacking you in lane and applying her dot to you constantly, if she's winning the lane you're going to be low health and have trouble csing. one kill equals 13 cs. if she's 13 cs ahead of you because you have to constantly b or lose cs because of low health, that's the equivalent of her having one kill over you.[/QUOTE]
Why do you keep saying it's a small amount of damage. By ratios and base damage it's one of the highest damaging ultimates in the game, and aoe at that. Why are you expecting an enemy to just sit there and take your auto attacks, and why are you expecting the enemy ad carry to have 0 sustain in lane.
MF's ult is also minimum 60 second cooldown?? (which is not bad for how powerful it is)
because you need to last hit? what part of this are you not understanding? killing 13 minions gives you the exact same advantage that one kill does. if you walk up to a minion to last hit it, the enemy can walk up and aa you.
and that was a typo, i already edited it.
lol
MF's ult is fine early game. It does decent damage but you should use it when it's appropriate. It can also be used to clear the minion wave or to force the enemy to recall.
my point isn't how powerful it is, my point is that playing a champion with a built-in flash isn't an auto win in a lane versus mf.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259564]because you need to last hit? what part of this are you not understanding? killing 13 minions gives you the exact same advantage that one kill does. if you walk up to a minion to last hit it, the enemy can walk up and aa you.
and that was a typo, i already edited it.[/QUOTE]
The lane is a mirror, the other person needs to CS as well, so what's your point? You're not making any convincing arguments and your arrogant attitude is only making you look more childish.
[QUOTE=Guy Mannly;38259578]my point isn't how powerful it is, my point is that playing a champion with a built-in flash isn't an auto win in a lane versus mf.[/QUOTE]
Nobody said anything about automatically wining the lane? Where did you pull that from? Even if you're playing a champion that does poorly against the enemy, outplaying them can do a lot.
team stacks armor against a 4 magic damage team with useless ashe
builds no mr
focuses tank morde
gg lol
Looks like we got our 3rd LoL streamer who got caught wanking on stream.
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12du6l/i_am_lod_caught_fapping_on_stream/[/url]
[QUOTE=ashxu;38259685]Looks like we got our 3rd LoL streamer who got caught wanking on stream.
[URL]http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12du6l/i_am_lod_caught_fapping_on_stream/[/URL][/QUOTE]
Oh god, and it's to Tristanna porn. Looks like Sseth [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5ktKJioeIB0#t=50s]was right[/url].
[QUOTE=ashxu;38259685]Looks like we got our 3rd LoL streamer who got caught wanking on stream.
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12du6l/i_am_lod_caught_fapping_on_stream/[/url][/QUOTE]
lmao the comments on that are hilarious
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26976530/a/dads.png[/img]
Holy shit, I'd fucking [I]die[/I]. But thankfully, I'm not inclined to livestream in the first place, nor do I look at cartoon porn. So I suppose it'd never happen to me. But hypothetically speaking, if it did? I'd fucking die.
It's funny because I found the reddit link on Doublelift's Twitter with the context that Locodoco wasn't the only one that got caught fapping on stream.
A bit mean considering Locodoco is CLG's new Support :v:
How the hell do streamers keep on fapping on steam by accident. The status of a webcam/live stream would be the first thing I check since it's a hell of a lot worse to broadcast it then have someone walk in on you.
Although I approve of the choice of material
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