Valve should make a MMORPG - Games

[QUOTE=77boy84;19712557]A MMO from valve would be great. They could bundle it with Episode 3 and L4D4 and Portal 3. :argh:[/QUOTE] What happened to L4D3 & Portal 2?

Oh, didn't you hear? It's been in production for 37 years. The release date is unkown, but speculation puts it around spring 2020.

[QUOTE=neos300;19712663]What happened to L4D3 & Portal 2?[/QUOTE] The joke is that by the time they release episode 3 they'll have already made four more games. I suck at jokes. :sigh:

Weren't they planning on making one before they made Half-Life 1?

Just me or would a believable HL2 MMO be boring as dick? Either you're a monochrome-clothed citizen being oppressed by Combine NPCs in City 123 or you mangle the HL2 plot so that somehow rebels are evenly matched with combines both one-on-one and on the grand scale, so you've got safe areas and battlezones and stuff. Lose lose.

NOT A HL2 MMO Just an MMORPG.

[QUOTE=Elexar;19711257]I'd like a sneaking/assassinating game within the HL2 universe.[/QUOTE] This. It would be amazing if it was like Assassins Creed or Saboteur. Once you have done something hugely uncivic - killed a Metrocop, blown something up, and had been noticed and photographed by a camera, you'd be permanently set into the wanted database, so further on moments when you are caught on camera can lead up to some major shit - apartment blocks raided, huge civilian checks, increased Scanner and Areal Support. So checkpoints and almost any public area would soon be off-limits if you got caught. A realistic destruction system might be awesome too - Battles against Striders would be epic if it could destroy entire buildings to get to you if you're wanted enough. Just picture yourself running away from the heat, when suddenly an explosion knocks you off your feet - a Strider steps trough a huge, crumbling hole, an improvised gateway, in the middle of an apartment block. Some beds or other household furniture idly hang on the destroyed sides.

Oh Paravin you're on to something. It could be called: Half-Red-Creed episode 2 & 1/2 It's Half Life, with Red Faction: Guerilla destruction, and Assassin's Creed II style gameplay. Quite epic perhaps.

OK Let's read through your post. [QUOTE=The DooD;19710761]You heard me right, I think that Valve should make a PPM [B](although it doesn't have to be, it just might promote more quality)[/B] MMORPG, that could either be entirely different to all their games so far, or it could be based on the Half Life universe or something.[/QUOTE] Ok this is so fucking general, I don't even know where to start. Some game developer should make an MMO on some subject that may or may not be related to one of their more successful IPs. Also, the bolded part does not make any fucking sense at all. I really have no clue what you are saying. [QUOTE=The DooD;19710761]I think it would be really good to see, as I've been seeing a lot of developer studios try (and fail hard) to create MMORPGs that just don't cut it like WoW does ([B]and I've never even had to play WoW. Just seeing how addictive it is is good enough reason to get in on that cream pie[/B]). [/QUOTE] Alright. What studios, and how are we defining 'failure' or 'sucsess'? Also, given those definitions why would you want a developer developer, that [U][B][I]has absolutely no previous experience making an mmos[/I][/B][/U] to make one? Valve has typically made relatively small to medium scale Multiplayer games. I don't understand why you would compare Valve, to Blizzard, which has already made a sucsessful established MMO. With the bolded part: have you been living under a fucking rock, or are you just stupid? Yes MMOs are sucsessful, they grant the player a persistant avatar that they can 'grow' and collect stuff for, and it is a good medium through which players can make 'friends' and form large player organizations. [U][B]This is common fucking knowledge.[/B][/U] Also, Gabe N is a buisnessman, one that has run one of the most sucsessful companies, and electronic distribution services in the industry. I think he would know when or when not to jump into something Valve has never done before. [QUOTE=The DooD;19710761] Post ideas and suggestions for an MMORPG that Valve should make. [/QUOTE] How about you play Gmod rp, and forget about it? What you are asking for/ asking us to think about makes no sense at all. You say you want them to make 'something that has not been done before' yet you compare it to WoW and Half Life 2. What the fuck.

[QUOTE=Stickmna;19746208]OK Let's read through your post. Ok this is so fucking general, I don't even know where to start. Some game developer should make an MMO on some subject that may or may not be related to one of their more successful IPs. Also, the bolded part does not make any fucking sense at all. I really have no clue what you are saying. Alright. What studios, and how are we defining 'failure' or 'sucsess'? Also, given those definitions why would you want a developer developer, that [I]has absolutely no previous experience making an mmos[/I][/B][/U] to make one? Valve has typically made relatively small to medium scale Multiplayer games. I don't understand why you would compare Valve, to Blizzard, which has already made a sucsessful established MMO. With the bolded part: have you been living under a fucking rock, or are you just stupid? Yes MMOs are sucsessful, they grant the player a persistant avatar that they can 'grow' and collect stuff for, and it is a good medium through which players can make 'friends' and form large player organizations. [U][B]This is common fucking knowledge. Also, Gabe N is a buisnessman, one that has run one of the most sucsessful companies, and electronic distribution services in the industry. I think he would know when or when not to jump into something Valve has never done before. [QUOTE=The DooD;19710761] Post ideas and suggestions for an MMORPG that Valve should make. [/QUOTE] How about you play Gmod rp, and forget about it? What you are asking for/ asking us to think about makes no sense at all. You say you want them to make 'something that has not been done before' yet you compare it to WoW and Half Life 2. What the fuck.[/QUOTE] I am agreeable to that. Come on. You don't say. Blimey. Some may game developer should make an MMO on some subject that may or may not be related to one of their more successful IPs, but not all. Thanks for the info. You really do? I don't know anyone named CLUELESS. OK. There might be more than one. Where did he get it? Where did he get it? Oh you don't understand? Perhaps I can explain it to you better. Which part are you confused about? That sounds like a plan. Ah. All of them? Are they exactly the same? I think Gabe N is more than that. Why? I think I know when or when not to jump into something Valve has never done. I only hear that type of response less than five percent of the time. "it" being QUOTE The DooD 19710761 Post ideas and suggestions for an MMORPG that Valve should make? I like to socialize. If I had it what would I do with it? Please don't be so rude.

[QUOTE=Lavatory <333;19747341]I am agreeable to that. Come on. You don't say. Blimey. Some may game developer should make an MMO on some subject that may or may not be related to one of their more successful IPs, but not all. Thanks for the info. You really do? I don't know anyone named CLUELESS. OK. There might be more than one. Where did he get it? Where did he get it? Oh you don't understand? Perhaps I can explain it to you better. Which part are you confused about? That sounds like a plan. Ah. All of them? Are they exactly the same? I think Gabe N is more than that. Why? I think I know when or when not to jump into something Valve has never done. I only hear that type of response less than five percent of the time. "it" being QUOTE The DooD 19710761 Post ideas and suggestions for an MMORPG that Valve should make? I like to socialize. If I had it what would I do with it? Please don't be so rude.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is that?

[QUOTE=Stickmna;19746208]OK Let's read through your post. Ok this is so fucking general, I don't even know where to start. Some game developer should make an MMO on some subject that may or may not be related to one of their more successful IPs. Also, the bolded part does not make any fucking sense at all. I really have no clue what you are saying. Alright. What studios, and how are we defining 'failure' or 'sucsess'? Also, given those definitions why would you want a developer developer, that [U][B][I]has absolutely no previous experience making an mmos[/I][/B][/U] to make one? Valve has typically made relatively small to medium scale Multiplayer games. I don't understand why you would compare Valve, to Blizzard, which has already made a sucsessful established MMO. With the bolded part: have you been living under a fucking rock, or are you just stupid? Yes MMOs are sucsessful, they grant the player a persistant avatar that they can 'grow' and collect stuff for, and it is a good medium through which players can make 'friends' and form large player organizations. [U][B]This is common fucking knowledge.[/B][/U] Also, Gabe N is a buisnessman, one that has run one of the most sucsessful companies, and electronic distribution services in the industry. I think he would know when or when not to jump into something Valve has never done before. How about you play Gmod rp, and forget about it? What you are asking for/ asking us to think about makes no sense at all. You say you want them to make 'something that has not been done before' yet you compare it to WoW and Half Life 2. What the fuck.[/QUOTE] Okay so I just wrote a really childish reply because I thought that's what you wanted, but after reading your post I think we should go through yours aswell. [quote]Ok this is so fucking general, I don't even know where to start. Some game developer should make an MMO on some subject that may or may not be related to one of their more successful IPs. Also, the bolded part does not make any fucking sense at all. I really have no clue what you are saying.[/quote] Great you don't know where to start, so you didn't. Nice try. This is pretty much what I am getting at though. A game developer should make an MMO on some subject that may or may not be related to one of their more successful IPs [b]I have changed my mind slightly though. Originally I was thinking that it shouldn't be a Half Life based MMO, but now I do as that is an established IP that people are very interested.[/b] If you can't understand what I am saying, then you must be blind and dumb. I'm saying that if an MMORPG is a Pay Per Month game, then it's going to promote more quality in the game as the developer will be working on it (consumers wouldn't pay to play an MMO if it was getting updated AT LEAST monthly). [quote]Alright. What studios, and how are we defining 'failure' or 'sucsess'? Also, given those definitions why would you want a developer developer, that has absolutely no previous experience making an mmos to make one? Valve has typically made relatively small to medium scale Multiplayer games. I don't understand why you would compare Valve, to Blizzard, which has already made a sucsessful established MMO.[/quote] Do you know the definition of failure and success? I will copy+pasta something for you if you really need it. I wouldn't base my decision on wanting a developer to make an MMO on those definitions, as that isn't relevant. Take Mythic for example. Their first MMO, Dark Age of Camelot, was a very successful game, that still has people playing it, even though by todays standards it's a piece of crap (because it hasn't been updated, graphically and has an ugly UI). However their second MMO, Warhammer Online, is a game that was over hyped and turned out to be very bad, even though it was based on the principles on DAoC, with the Warhammer Fantasy IP as the setting for the game. Another note to add is that perhaps the only reason WAR still exists is thanks to the IP. This could be a reason why Valve would want to base an MMO on the Half Life IP, as it means that even if they don't get it quite right, people will stick around as the game is still fun to be in (not to mention, we know Valve, and we know that they listen, unlike Mythic). The reason I compare Valve to Blizzard is a very good one. Before Blizzard made World of Warcraft, they made RTS games. Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft. I'm sure all of these are very successful, but Warcraft lent it's self to an MMORPG format. Blizzard then went on to make World of Warcraft (their first MMO as far as I can tell), which is now undoubtedly the best MMORPG in existence. Valve could be exactly the same, except instead of making RTS games before making an MMO, they would've made FPS games. There's no reason that they should do as bad as Blizzard except that Blizzard perhaps beat them in the MMO race, but that doesn't matter. Just because they might not be able to catch up with WoW subscribers, doesn't mean that the MMORPG failed financially. [quote] With the bolded part: have you been living under a fucking rock, or are you just stupid? Yes MMOs are sucsessful, they grant the player a persistant avatar that they can 'grow' and collect stuff for, and it is a good medium through which players can make 'friends' and form large player organizations. This is common fucking knowledge. Also, Gabe N is a buisnessman, one that has run one of the most sucsessful companies, and electronic distribution services in the industry. I think he would know when or when not to jump into something Valve has never done before. [/quote] Neither because I apparently know more about what I'm talking about than you do. You just stated an exact reason why Valve should make an MMO. [b]They're successful[/b]. I'm sure Gabe N is a business man, and could see how MMORPGs are a way to bring the Steam community together even more, with possibilities of adding in new features to Steam that could link with the game, which no other MMORPG has. Whether he would know when or when not to jump into something Valve has never done before is just a possibility of a risk which every game developing company has to take at some point in their lives. Surely you know how Valve was created, with Gabe Newell and a colleague of his from Microsoft quitting their jobs to create a game developing company [b]which they had never done before[/b]. [i]If people never did anything because they'd never done it before, then no one would ever do anything. ~ The DooD, 20/01/10[/i] [quote]How about you play Gmod rp, and forget about it?[/quote] Now you're just being stupid. GMRP has [b]absolutely fuck all[/b] to do with MMORPGs. Not to mention the problems that GMod RP has, because the engine it was built on wasn't completely meant for it (although I would imagine it's been modified to cope with since the release of GMod 10). It's first person, it's on a demanding engine that crashes often, most admins are abusers and people are terrible RPers. GMod RP is very different to an MMORPG. Like you said, an MMORPG is a persistent universe, where the player can level, collect better gear, do quests and make a lot of friends. GMod RP on the other hand, is in a small map that gets changed at the will of the masses/admin, the player can't level, because it's not that type of game, they can't collect better gear because there is no itemization in GMRP, they can't do quests because there are no quests and they can't make friends because they don't play with many people, and the people they do play with are in character and tend to be absolute dick heads out of character (and in character to, if they like RPing themselves). [quote]What you are asking for/ asking us to think about makes no sense at all. You say you want them to make 'something that has not been done before' yet you compare it to WoW and Half Life 2. What the fuck.[/quote] It makes perfect sense, you just aren't trying at all. I never said that is should be "something that has not been done before". I said that it could be entirely different, or it could be based on the Half Life universe (which a lot of people in this thread assumed anyway). When I compare it to WoW, it's because WoW is a successful MMORPG that professional companies would want to take merit from, as they risk losing a lot of money if they don't do it right. I never personally compared it to Half Life 2, either. However if the MMORPG was going to be based off of the Half Life IP, then it is inevitably going to contain locations from Half Life 1 & 2 aswell as the episodes.

Isn't Mabinogi heroes on the source engine?

I don't see an MMO coming from Valve for a while because of two closely related reasons: 1. The Source Engine could never handle what it takes to make an MMO. 2. Valve doesn't seem to be willing to let go of the Source engine, and probably won't for years.

[QUOTE=The DooD;19748191]stuff[/QUOTE] OK, [I]fine. [/I]I jumped the gun on this thread, and though it was going to simply be another 'hey guys let me propose a dumb idea', so I apologize. However, you could have included some of that stuff in the first post, so people would take it more seriously. [editline]09:48PM[/editline] [QUOTE=koekje4life;19748211]Isn't Mabinogi heroes on the source engine?[/QUOTE] Yes, it is.

[QUOTE=Xenomoose;19748320]I don't see an MMO coming from Valve for a while because of two closely related reasons: 1. The Source Engine could never handle what it takes to make an MMO. 2. Valve doesn't seem to be willing to let go of the Source engine, and probably won't for years.[/QUOTE] Ah I was going to say they'd be pretty silly for making an MMO on the Source engine. But if they'd make it on the source engine just because they don't want to let go of it then it's probably a good thing they aren't. [editline]09:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Stickmna;19748398]OK, [I]fine. [/I]I jumped the gun on this thread, and though it was going to simply be another 'hey guys let me propose a dumb idea', so I apologize. However, you could have included some of that stuff in the first post, so people would take it more seriously. [editline]09:48PM[/editline] Yes, it is.[/QUOTE] Yeah, in all honesty I hadn't thought the idea through when I made the OP, but seeing as it's already been defaced by 50+ disagrees I don't really fancy re-writing it.

I thought about a HL2 MMOFPS with RPG elements, once or twice. Could be good IF THEY DID IT RIGHT. DLC ideas being: -Cooperating with some old HECU/Military Veterans, rewards being military weapons. -Some bullshit about Zombies. If there was an MMO, it would honestly just be a matter of time until a zombie related event. -Vehicular Update. Vehicle customization, more vehicles, more weapons FOR your vehicles, more "Highways" leading to different areas of the world.

[QUOTE=Simplemac3;19748587] -Some bullshit about Zombies. If there was an MMO, it would honestly just be a matter of time until a zombie related event. [/QUOTE] Halloween event. Invasion of the Gonomes. City 26 (or whatever city you are in) gets raided by an army of zombies, with Gonomes being unveiled in mass. Some epic loot from the even could be Gonome carcass, which could be worn as armour. Maybe a developed headcrab, which turns you into a Gonome for an hour/until you die.

And episode 3 should be like fallout :downs:

No, they should make Episode 3.

[QUOTE=Kuro.;19749597]No, they should make Episode 3.[/QUOTE] And finish it fucking soon. :|

I stand by my stance of "It'll be more epic if they finish up everything else first."

Valve originally planned to make a MMORPG shortly after Half-life, but scrapped everything into half-life as they worked exclusively on that.

Really? I didn't know that.

If they made a MMOFPS in a completely original world, it just might work.

[QUOTE=kukiric;19751454]Valve originally planned to make a MMORPG shortly after Half-life, but scrapped everything into half-life as they worked exclusively on that.[/QUOTE] Well they didn't scratched anything. They said it would be cool for them to make something other than a FPS. Or to be more precise - mmorpg. But they never said when. Maybe they are working on it right now.

[QUOTE=El Burrito;19710959]But Valve aren't like other companies[/QUOTE] Unfortunately Valve is one of the very few remaining decent game developers. Most others have sold out to EA or Activision and completely been destroyed.

Go [url=http://www.facepunch.com/forumdisplay.php?f=115]home[/url].

[QUOTE=Acolyt3;19710919]No, it would suck. Most game companies specialize in a certain genre and similar genres, valve is good at FPS.[/QUOTE] Yes, almost all of their games are FPS. Inb4 boxes, notice ALMOST. Thank you for your inconvenience.

I just want an actual MMO that isn't based on giving the players just enough fun to play it, while prolonging EVERYTHING to keep milking them for longer. (Wow, EVE, all mainstream have this)