[QUOTE=Riutet;28728951]Press X repeatedly to advance the plot in a linear fashion.[/QUOTE]
Near the end you get the good option of pressing X, and the bad option of pressing B.
This dramatic decision will have a major impact on the final cutscene of the game.
Games are interactive art as they require care and quality in story and usually graphics, but this also applies to a comic book like Marvel's comic novels. What separates games from that is that they're interactive and therefore that needs to be taken into account as well, making this one of the more difficult ways of art to perform as far as i know. Painting is solely about the visuals. Books and other stories are about the plot. Games combine the two and add a new element which is why people like games: They have choices, however small they might be. Just the fact that there are 30 enemies spawned in a level every time the same way, it's much more fun to go around and kill them differently each time than to read about a guy who killed them the same way 30 times.
tl;dr yes because they have more things to take into consideration while in production than stories or paintings.
[QUOTE=Simski;28728981]Near the end you get the good option of pressing X, and the bad option of pressing B.
This dramatic decision will have a major impact on the final cutscene of the game.[/QUOTE]
Press X to press X to press X to press X... [sp]Expectations subverted[/sp]
[QUOTE=Riutet;28729052]Press X to press X to press X to press X... [sp]Expectations subverted[/sp][/QUOTE]
Man, all this reminds me too much of Fahrenheit.
Yes, definitely.
[QUOTE=Simski;28729190]Man, all this reminds me too much of Fahrenheit.[/QUOTE]
I liked the start of Farenheit, it all went downhill after that though, too many QTEs, not enough thinking.
[QUOTE=Riutet;28729279]I liked the start of Farenheit, it all went downhill after that though, too many QTEs, not enough thinking.[/QUOTE]
I liked the start too, then it suddenly went all "I am the chosen one, fear my quicktime events! Oh no, the mysterious old lady turns out to be the Internet trying to destroy humanity!"
[QUOTE=lifehole;28724858]Maybe, but maybe some people think art is restricted to certain types of objects,like painting building etc.[/QUOTE]
If you use the word "restriction" in the definition of art, then you're defining it wrong
Yeah but so are comics and most of those suck.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;28730344]Yeah but so are comics and most of those suck.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't have to be good to be art
Mass Effect 2?
The music, the story, the gameplay, everything's great about it.
I really love the music though.
All video games are art, all writing is art, all movies are art, all paintings are art, all music is art, all sculptures are art, all drawings are art, everything ever designed can be considered as art wether you like it or not. Your opinion means nothing, because either all is art, or nothing is art. So stop using terms like "It's not art because _________" or "I don't like ___________, how can it be art?". Becuase it make you look like a close-minded bastard who think something can't be art unless it follows your specific, or even vague confines of what makes up "art".
As much as any movie or other audiovisual piece can be.
Usually games are more like B-movies or propaganda though.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;28730344]Yeah but so are comics and most of those suck.[/QUOTE]
Transmetropolitan was here, ur rong.
I consider most games art to begin with, but I think there are some that are debatable. This makes me think of this lecture I had when I was taking a music theory class. The teacher gave all these really interesting examples of things that are considered music. There is a piano piece called something like 4minutes 32seconds and it literally consists of the player just sitting at the piano for ~4mins 32secs. The reason why it is considered music is because the inevitable human reactions to akward silence causes us to make noise. Someone will clear their throat, or whisper "do they have stage freight?", or possibly laugh, etc. Another one was this percussion piece that could be played from any point because it is ment to be played in a loop sort of speak. You can even flip the sheet music upside down and still play it. And what's even more interesting is that it goes from complete improvisation to playing specific notes like with normal songs. Depending on where you start, it either has more or less improv parts, then switches. The point is that music doesn't need to include conventional instruments, or even sound. Music evokes emotion. Virtually all sound (or lack there of) that evokes emotion can be considered music. I find this kind of hard to accept, and don't feel 100% about this, but it is a good point.
When it comes to art, I'm not as open minded. Games that simulate things don't come off as "art" to me. "Games" that militaries use to train soldiers really don't seem to be art. I almost want to say Grand Turismo isn't exactly art, or any other racing games for that matter, but cars are definitely art, so I would think the games are too then. Also, older games in particular seem very far from art. Like that game Snake; nobody made up concept art for it or made a story for it.
[QUOTE=thisispain;28725461]cuz when i waste my time on meaningless shit i usually would prefer it to be pretty good meaningless shit
and if it's life-changing like music or movies then even the better
but even after playing all the games i have i can't say i was ever really changed by them, but to be fair video game developers never really strive for that anyway[/QUOTE]
ask the guy who died when playing WoW
They can be.
Some games are... Like The Elder Scrolls games, God of War, Heavy Rain, The Void, Bioshock, you know what I mean, the games in which there is effort put into.
I wouldn't call a game Like CoD art though.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28728162]What makes me rage is people who say that programming is not art.
I want to fucking strangle them.[/QUOTE]
programming is more like a science than an art
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0i6YFrSs6c[/media]
video games are art
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_NAoNd4YyY&feature=related[/media]
Limbo.
Games are art just as much as music is. Many are made just to entertain and appeal to the masses (COD, casual games, etc.), while many others could be considered art.
A lot of games strike me as art, most notably the Bioshock and Mass Effect series. However, games like Man Hunt don't seem particularly artistic.
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