Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition(360,PS3,PC)v3 - Dark Magic is perfectly balanced - Games

The final part! [B]Dark Souls - Cleric/Sorcerer 28 - All Bittersweet Things...[/B] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8NKr86v19w[/media] "I hope this ending isn't too depressing lol. I feel like it was deserved though. After killing our friends and failing Siegmeyer and Solaire, did this character really deserve a happy ending? I'll save everyone in NG+ don't you worry! [sp]Killing Gwyn didn't go exactly how I had planned, I actualy killed him way too fast... I wanted to use soulmasses, then soul spear, then finish him with wrath of the gods. He barely survived the soulmasses... that's super hypermode for you though.[/sp] Music: After The Last Sunset by Hampster Alliance http://www.hamsteralliance.com/page/Music.aspx"

[QUOTE=Foogooman;38702269]The final part![/QUOTE] You say that the black knight spirits were killed in the Izalith incident, when they were actually killed by Lord Gwyn kindling the first flame.

[QUOTE=HALP Cat;38703183]You say that the black knight spirits were killed in the Izalith incident, when they were actually killed by Lord Gwyn kindling the first flame.[/QUOTE] Yes you're right, I was mistaken. I was thinking about how the black knights were created, they were created when their armor was charred battling the demons of Izalith.

[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;38697724]You can skip that basilisk part of depths easy enough you casual.[/QUOTE] why even bother going there when you can just whiz through New Londo for a second and pop out in the back of Blighttown?

Someone give me a fun PvP idea that isn't completely generic or obvious, or too challenging Before anyone asks, yes I did a tailsman only build and a truck build :v:

[QUOTE=Saza;38703348]why even bother going there when you can just whiz through New Londo for a second and pop out in the back of Blighttown?[/QUOTE] Power within, ninja set, gaping's souls, etc

[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;38703471]Power within, ninja set, gaping's souls, etc[/QUOTE] power within is a crutch, bad, and you should feel bad for using it ninja set..? if you need 25k souls from gaping dragon it's piss easy to grind that elsewhere in a fraction of the time the only reason I would ever enter the depths is for the ember; there's no need to go there ever

[QUOTE=Saza;38703531]power within is a crutch[/QUOTE] Rookie.

[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;38703542]Rookie.[/QUOTE] so I'm a rookie because I don't rely on a gimmick to increase my damage output? that sure makes sense there pal I love people who use Power Within in PvP. I just hunker down while they waste HP or healing items then actually fight them, their problem they used something that drains their own HP to do 40% more damage that won't even always be beneficial also you can go back through blighttown, because fyi it's not in the depths it's in blighttown my friend

[QUOTE=Saza;38703531]power within is a crutch, bad, and you should feel bad for using it ninja set..? if you need 25k souls from gaping dragon it's piss easy to grind that elsewhere in a fraction of the time the only reason I would ever enter the depths is for the ember; there's no need to go there ever[/QUOTE] Um, what Are you like, some kind of MLG player or some shit

[QUOTE=Zadrave;38703553]Um, what[/QUOTE] power within: 40% more damage assuming you hit them at the cost of losing hp by the second sit down, wait for them to lose the buff and hp, continue fighting, usually win 25k souls is honestly nothing, you can easily get it elsewhere and the only point in the story you NEED 20k+ souls on you is after anal rodeo to get to sif and you will have over 20k by then; worst to worst you kill Andre and he drops the crest and you don't need 20k souls. [editline]4th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Zadrave;38703553]Um, what Are you like, some kind of MLG player or some shit[/QUOTE] no, I just don't believe in using something that will make me have to heal up again or something because it's easy enough to avoid attacks and just let me take damage over time from using a trivial 40% damage increase the other thing I don't like as many of you know is dark magic and that's because it's unbalanced as fuck. there's a difference between unfair and unbalanced, though, and it's past it

[QUOTE=Saza;38703593]power within: 40% more damage assuming you hit them at the cost of losing hp by the second sit down, wait for them to lose the buff and hp, continue fighting, usually win 25k souls is honestly nothing, you can easily get it elsewhere and the only point in the story you NEED 20k+ souls on you is after anal rodeo to get to sif and you will have over 20k by then; worst to worst you kill Andre and he drops the crest and you don't need 20k souls. [editline]4th December 2012[/editline] no, I just don't believe in using something that will make me have to heal up again or something because it's easy enough to avoid attacks and just let me take damage over time from using a trivial 40% damage increase the other thing I don't like as many of you know is dark magic and that's because it's unbalanced as fuck. there's a difference between unfair and unbalanced, though, and it's past it[/QUOTE] So you're saying that you are elitist

You don't need to buy the crest to get to sif, there's a ladder up to the area near the 3 cats after you take out the hydra(it's there before but good luck getting to it and up it with an angry lizard shooting crap at you). 40% damage is not trivial, especially since people will stack it with other damage increasing items.

[QUOTE=Zadrave;38703658]So you're saying that you are elitist[/QUOTE] How is this elitist? Pardon me for not using a shitty buff. I prefer to keep my health up than having a chance to do more damage at once. [QUOTE=dogmachines;38703662] 40% damage is not trivial, especially since people will stack it with other damage increasing items.[/QUOTE] it's trivial because they can just dodge your attacks. Granted, there's people out there who can't, but it's worth assuming everyone can because if you assume someone can't and they easily do, you're kinda fucked because you have a DoT on you and someone trying to kill you for that chance at doing 40% more damage (like I said, assuming you hit them and they don't dodge)

So upgrading a weapon is trivial because people can just dodge the attacks and oh fuck I wasted all that titanite. The point of the buff is that you have to hit them less, but at the cost of HP drain. It's a trade off that many people use effectively in PvP and PvE. And make up your mind, either it's a shitty buff or it's a crutch, it can't be both.

it's a shitty buff that's a crutch similar to the drake sword: a shitty weapon that's a crutch and turns 100% even-more-shit when you get to sen's funhouse there's a difference between upgrading a weapon and Power Within because upgrading a weapon doesn't negatively affect you besides using up Titanite

[QUOTE=Saza;38703804]it's a shitty buff that's a crutch similar to the drake sword: a shitty weapon that's a crutch and turns 100% shit when you get to sen's funhouse there's a difference between upgrading a weapon and Power Within because upgrading a weapon doesn't negatively affect you besides using up Titanite[/QUOTE] Just because you can't use an item efficiently doesn't make it bad.

[QUOTE=Zadrave;38703835]Just because you can't use an item efficiently doesn't make it bad.[/QUOTE] I can use it efficiently. I just find it bad because I'd rather not have my health drained and so I don't. The drake sword is an honestly bad item and if you try to argue to me that it isn't you are fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=Saza;38703856]I can use it efficiently. I just find it bad because I'd rather not have my health drained and so I don't.[/QUOTE] Well if you rather not have your health drained, does it make it terrible? Sure, for you. But for others? No.

p.s. using an upgraded flame decreases the health degen of power within, making it almost negligible.

Ever hear of a "glass canon"? Because you seem to miss the point of power within. The HP drain is hardly a pain in the ass anyway, I think it drains 101 points of health. This shouldn't be an issue for most builds, and won't leave you on the brink of death. Can the attacks be dodged? Yes. But any attacks can be dodged, and using power within means you have to land that many fewer attacks to get a kill.

[QUOTE=Zadrave;38703865]Well if you rather not have your health drained, does it make it terrible? Sure, for you. But for others? No.[/QUOTE] it's an easy to avoid thing. and you might as well just apply toxic to yourself

[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;38703876]p.s. using an upgraded flame decreases the health degen of power within, making it almost negligible.[/QUOTE] Lingering dragoncrest does the same, it lengthens the time the buff is active while lessening the total health lost from 101 to 99. Doesn't sound like much but over the extended time it means the rate of drain is much lower.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;38703879]Ever hear of a "glass canon"? Because you seem to miss the point of power within. The HP drain is hardly a pain in the ass anyway, I think it drains 101 points of health. This shouldn't be an issue for most builds, and won't leave you on the brink of death. Can the attacks be dodged? Yes. But any attacks can be dodged, and using power within means you have to land that many fewer attacks to get a kill.[/QUOTE] 'glass cannon' is the name of my game I have very low HP for my level often because endurance and dexterity requirements to light roll with Oscar's gear on. Fast, high damage, easy to break (yet it seems nobody ever does.) Any damage over time is a damage over time. the actual damage for Power Within is (Max HP * Magic Adjust)/10,000 rounded down to nearest whole number so it varies player to player of course

I'm SL 50, where should I invade?

[QUOTE=leet_name;38704097]I'm SL 50, where should I invade?[/QUOTE] Anal rodeo, dukes, totg

Why do you even argue, guys? I think using stuff is just a matter of preference. There's no "best" item or buff or whatever, it's all about what the player prefers the most and feels the most comfortable using, so I think you're just arguing pointlessly

[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;38703876]p.s. using an upgraded flame decreases the health degen of power within, making it almost negligible.[/QUOTE] This isn't true, according to the wiki: "As of now, on both PC and Console versions, this pyromancy drains the same amount of HP per depletion unit regardless of the Pyromancy Flame's level." [QUOTE=dogmachines;38703879]Ever hear of a "glass canon"? Because you seem to miss the point of power within. The HP drain is hardly a pain in the ass anyway, I think it drains 101 points of health. This shouldn't be an issue for most builds, and won't leave you on the brink of death. Can the attacks be dodged? Yes. But any attacks can be dodged, and using power within means you have to land that many fewer attacks to get a kill.[/QUOTE] It does 101 [B]units[/B] of damage. I'm pretty sure that's just how many times it "ticks" and it scales to your max health.

[QUOTE=Vacuum;38704196]Why do you even argue, guys? I think using stuff is just a matter of preference. There's no "best" item or buff or whatever, it's all about what the player prefers the most and feels the most comfortable using, so I think you're just arguing pointlessly[/QUOTE] We can agree on one thing, I'm sure of it; Whips are terrible, besides that, every other weapon is viable. [editline]4th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Foogooman;38704284]This isn't true, according to the wiki: "As of now, on both PC and Console versions, this pyromancy drains the same amount of HP per depletion unit regardless of the Pyromancy Flame's level." [/QUOTE] I want more proof than just a wiki saying it

And so Wingedwizard is pretty much correct overall. Power within doesn't really have a place in PVP. It's just too easy to play defensively and wait it out and then the user is on low health and is easy to finish off. [editline]4th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Wingedwizard;38704286]I want more proof than just a wiki saying it[/QUOTE] If you're not going to take anyone's word for it then go test it yourself