Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition(360,PS3,PC)v3 - Dark Magic is perfectly balanced

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=Zadrave;38775571]Are people really arguing that this is Skyrim
Oh my god, my sides[/QUOTE]

No, that really isn't what we're arguing :v:

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OH, OKAY, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M ARGUING ABOUT SO YOU DISAGREE WITH ME?
Like, man, I brought this point up, you can't say I'm arguing about something I am not arguing about, YOU can't choose what I'M arguing for. I can. Sheesh

[dogmachines]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775577]No, that really isn't what we're arguing :v:[/QUOTE]

We're arguing because you insist some snow+dragons= the game is going to be like Skyrim.

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=dogmachines;38775584]We're arguing because you insist some snow+dragons= the game is going to be like Skyrim.[/QUOTE]

Wow, way to misunderstand what I'm saying.

[b]I never said the game was going to be like Skyrim[/b]

I said the trailer looked more like Skyrim than Dark Souls in some enviroments and that they're including a whole "Come kill dragons with us" annotation. Not that the game is going to be Skyrim. Just be more styled like it. Like Skyrim was styled like Game of Thrones, rather than Oblivion. Doesn't fucking mean it's a Game of Thrones game.

[Zadrave]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775604]Wow, way to misunderstand what I'm saying.

[b]I never said the game was going to be like Skyrim[/b]

I said the trailer looked more like Skyrim than Dark Souls in some enviroments and that they're including a whole "Come kill dragons with us" annotation. Not that the game is going to be Skyrim. Just be more styled like it. Like Skyrim was styled like Game of Thrones. Doesn't fucking mean it's a Game of Thrones game.[/QUOTE]

Oh, sorry. I misinterpreted what you said before. I guess I just sort of lost it that you were comparing it to Skyrim. Meh.

[Janus Vesta]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775604]Wow, way to misunderstand what I'm saying.

[b]I never said the game was going to be like Skyrim[/b]

I said the trailer looked more like Skyrim than Dark Souls in some enviroments and that they're including a whole "Come kill dragons with us" annotation. Not that the game is going to be Skyrim. Just be more styled like it. Like Skyrim was styled like Game of Thrones.[B] Doesn't fucking mean it's a Game of Thrones game.[/B][/QUOTE]

Thank god, because the Game of Thrones games have been shit. Shame considering the quality of the books and the show.

[Chief343]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775311]Far from it, but it made it mainstream.

I strongly assume that if Skyrim hadn't been put into the picture, Dark Souls II would look very different from how it looks RIGHT NOW.
The frozen landscape, the fur on the armor, the fact that the channel they're clearly putting a dragonslaying theme on this more than any other Souls game yet.

It all seems very inspired by Skyrim.

Heck, as far as I know, the first game that did the whole "SNOWY LANDSCAPES + DRAGONS" was actually Skyrim, so there's something. All other examples I can think of included dragons in other locations as well, but here they're making it look very scandiavian and adding dragons.

My point in case;

This picture
[img]http://puu.sh/1zl5g[/img]
Looks WAY more like a promotional thing for EITHER Game of Thrones or Skyrim. NOT Dark Souls.

[img]http://puu.sh/1zl6l[/img]
This looks more like a nord ruin than the catacombs we're used to from Dark Souls

All of these are just things I'm noticing as I am rewatching the trailer over and over again. I want it to be Dark Souls, but it reminds me so much more of Skyrim. HECK, even the voice.

I sincerely hope they're pulling a Spec Ops: The Line here, advertising as something it kinda isn't[/QUOTE]
Because Skyrim invented ruins, catacombs, and the general fantasy setting, right?

It's not like we've had this stuff before in, I don't know, books? Movies?

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=Chief343;38775768]Because Skyrim invented ruins, catacombs, and the general fantasy setting, right?

It's not like we've had this stuff before in, I don't know, books? Movies?[/QUOTE]

There's having a ruin then there's having a ruin that looks shockingly similar to that other ruin in general aesthetics.

Also when the FUCK did I imply I'm comparing it to Skyrim cause it's the ONLY game with ruins and catacombs? It isn't about lack of choices here, it's the fucking design OF said catacombs

[Doomish]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775782]There's having a ruin then there's having a ruin that looks shockingly similar to that other ruin in general aesthetics.[/QUOTE]

all this non-CG gameplay we've seen makes it look a lot like skyrim amirite guys!!!

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[img]http://puu.sh/1zleW[/img]

I started the game over on a new character who only double-hands huge weapons while being COMICALLY skinny. At the moment I am awaiting co-op partners at the gargoyles.

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=Doomish;38775793]all this gameplay we've seen makes it look a lot like skyrim amirite guys!!![/QUOTE]

>Talking about aesthetics
>Brings up gameplay
>I'm using quotation arrows
>Kill me

And refer to my post at the top. I am not saying it's going to be Skyrim, I'm saying the DESIGN of how things LOOK looks INSPIRED by Skyrim, in an industry where EVERYONE copies EVERYONE.

Learn to read.

[ArchXeno]

Why is everyone bugging out over a GCI trailer? Because it's the only lead we have?

[Doomish]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775795]>Talking about aesthetics
>Brings up gameplay
>I'm greentexting
>Kill me[/QUOTE]

"it looks like this thing" does not equal "it will be like this thing"

i don't know if you know this but it is possible for two things to look similar and still be completely different

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=Doomish;38775804]"it looks like this thing" does not equal "it will be like this thing"

i don't know if you know this but it is possible for two things to look similar and still be completely different[/QUOTE]

Point to where I said "It will be like Skyrim". Cause you're putting words in my mouth right now. [b]I[/b] have only stated it LOOKS like the design of Skyrim, heck, not even said it looks A LOT like it, just that it somewhat reminds me of it. But for some reason, you read that as "Oh no, we're getting a first person open world RPG with standard style quests and whatnot!!!"

[dogmachines]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775782]There's having a ruin then there's having a ruin that looks shockingly similar to that other ruin in general aesthetics.

Also when the FUCK did I imply I'm comparing it to Skyrim cause it's the ONLY game with ruins and catacombs? It isn't about lack of choices here, it's the fucking design OF said catacombs[/QUOTE]

Crumbling rocks with tons of stalactites in what appears to be more of a "developed" cave than an outright 100% man-made tomb, compared to
[img_thumb]http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3/2066163-skyrim_0054.jpeg[/img_thumb]
So, based on the few seconds in the video we can say that it very clearly is the same design because the color of the rock is similar.

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=dogmachines;38775822]Crumbling rocks with tons of stalactites in what appears to be more of a "developed" cave than an outright 100% man-made tomb, compared to
[img_thumb]http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3/2066163-skyrim_0054.jpeg[/img_thumb]
So, based on the few seconds in the video we can say that it very clearly is the same design because the color of the rock is similar.[/QUOTE]

It does have more stalagtites than Skyrim, yes, but those rocks in the background have similar carvings to those found in the nord ruins. SIMILAR. NOT ALIKE. Gonna state this even stronger from now on, cause for some reason, players of fucking Dark souls, a game where most of the lore is in the text, can't even seem to read and interpret text properly

[Doomish]

You said that the game looks like Skyrim and wasn't implying that the game will look like Skyrim? I guess I'm interpreting you wrong then.

[HALP Cat]

So I come to check out how this thread is hanging and I find 3 pages of bitching and arguing because Zondac brought up a reasonable point about the trailer looking a little bit like Skyrim, haha

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=Doomish;38775853]You said that the game looks like Skyrim and wasn't implying that the game will look like Skyrim?[/QUOTE]

I am saying TWO OF THE SCENES IN A PRERENDERED CGI TRAILER look a bit like another popular RPG from the same year as the first game.

HECK, if ANYTHING, I implied the MARKETING would be done a lot more like Skyrim than the game itself

[dogmachines]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775846]It does have more stalagtites than Skyrim, yes, but those rocks in the background have similar carvings to those found in the nord ruins. SIMILAR. NOT ALIKE. Gonna state this even stronger from now on, cause for some reason, players of fucking Dark souls, a game where most of the lore is in the text, can't even seem to read and interpret text properly[/QUOTE]

You're just grasping at straws now. Carvings in a ruin? Next you'll tell me ruins are OLD and have undead enemies in them!

Have you played any fantasy games besides DS and Skyrim? Ever? Just because something looks vaguely similar if you ignore a lot about it doesn't mean it takes inspiration from it.

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=dogmachines;38775869]You're just grasping at straws now. Carvings in a ruin? Next you'll tell me ruins are OLD and have undead enemies in them!

Have you played any fantasy games besides DS and Skyrim? Ever? Just because something looks vaguely similar if you ignore a lot about it doesn't mean it takes inspiration from it.[/QUOTE]

[img]http://puu.sh/1zlZZ[/img]
50+ games on PS3
The first game I got properly immersed in was a fantasy game called Zelda: Majora's Mask

No, I can't say I've ever touched any.

Any with caves with those kinds of carvings on rocks, that is. I am not even joking, if you can show me an example, please do.

[dogmachines]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775881][img]http://puu.sh/1zlZZ[/img]
50+ games on PS3
The first game I got properly immersed in was a fantasy game called Zelda: Majora's Mask

No, I can't say I've ever touched any.

Any with caves with those kinds of carvings on rocks, that is. I am not even joking, if you can show me an example, please do.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I just can't get over they way you're actually saying "the rocks have carvings, Skyrim did that, it's like Skyrim!"

Carvings/paintings/whatever on rocks isn't exactly a new concept. In fact, it's been around for a few thousand years.

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=dogmachines;38775942]Sorry, I just can't get over they way you're actually saying "the rocks have carvings, Skyrim did that, it's like Skyrim!"

Carvings/paintings/whatever on rocks isn't exactly a new concept. In fact, it's been around for a few thousand years.[/QUOTE]

Thousands of years, but not many games, is what I'm saying. We're not talking about society. We're talking about an RPG.

Look, please, I wish I was just crazy and completely off, but I think this [img]http://puu.sh/1zm9o[/img] has a slight resemblance to this [img]http://puu.sh/1zma0[/img]

Not OH GOD IT'S GONNA BE SKYRIM, I'm saying it LOOKS A BIT like the AESTHETIC DESIGN is a bit more similar to Skyrim than Dark Souls was. COULD BE A COINCIDENCE, but in the game industry, I don't know.

[ni🅱️🅱️a]

I'm getting a real Shadow of The Colossus vibe from the trailer where you need to do something for some unknown woman, and you're not even certain if it's the right thing to do.

[dogmachines]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775946]Thousands of years, but not many games, is what I'm saying. We're not talking about society. We're talking about an RPG.[/QUOTE]

And aside from Alduin's Wall and the Hall of Stories in some of the many draugr-filled tombs, Skyrim doesn't have a lot either. Now drop it, I can feel my brain cells killing themselves every time I have to explain that a carving on a rock doesn't equate to a relationship between two games unless they are the same carving or a blatant shout-out like that.

[HALP Cat]

With the armor, snow, dragons and fighting the dragon on top of a snowy mountain resembling a lot of key features in Skyrim, a guy with a torch exploring a cave filled stone carvings isn't helping with the Skyrim vibe that you get since the Draugr ruins were also a big theme in Skyrim.
If they wanted to make the trailer be more Dark Souls-y they should've put more emphasis on being undead than the dragons flying everywhere, maybe show some unique areas like the crystal cavern or Anor Londo, but I guess the new director is going for something else.

[GoldenBullet]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38775946]Thousands of years, but not many games, is what I'm saying. We're not talking about society. We're talking about an RPG.

Look, please, I wish I was just crazy and completely off, but I think this [IMG]http://puu.sh/1zm9o[/IMG] has a slight resemblance to this [IMG]http://puu.sh/1zma0[/IMG]

Not OH GOD IT'S GONNA BE SKYRIM, I'm saying it LOOKS A BIT like the AESTHETIC DESIGN is a bit more similar to Skyrim than Dark Souls was. COULD BE A COINCIDENCE, but in the game industry, I don't know.[/QUOTE]

Wow Zondac you[B]'[/B]re being a tard :v:

There isn't any evidence of them getting inspiration from Skyrim as far as I can see, just some loosely related aesthetics. It's incredibly arrogant to say "This would look completely different if it wasn't for Skyrim", and a big fucking insult to From Software. Those two don't even look similar aside from the fact that they are carvings on a wall?

I understand the references between the two but they just feel so forced.

[dogmachines]

[QUOTE=HALP Cat;38775988]With the armor, snow, dragons and fighting the dragon on top of a snowy mountain resembling a lot of key features in Skyrim, a guy with a torch exploring a cave filled stone carvings isn't helping with the Skyrim vibe that you get since the Draugr ruins were also a big theme in Skyrim.
If they wanted to make the Trailer be more Dark Souls-y they should've put more emphasis on being undead than the dragons flying everywhere, maybe show some unique areas like the crystal cavern or Anor Londo, but I guess the new director is going for something else.[/QUOTE]

There was something like Anal Rodeo near the start, hard to say if it really was Anor Londo though. I feel like they wanted to say something with the sun setting, but it could honestly just as easily be a time of day as it could be an indication of how much longer the age of fire has left.

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With From's attention to detail, I have no doubt that every tiny thing in this trailer has some kind of meaning though.

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=GoldenBullet;38776000]Wow Zondac your being a tard :v:

There isn't any evidence of them getting inspiration from Skyrim as far as I can see, just some loosely related aesthetics. It's incredibly arrogant to say "This would look completely different if it wasn't for Skyrim", and a big fucking insult to From Software. Those two don't even look similar aside from the fact that they are carvings on a wall?[/QUOTE]

[B]I DIDN'T SAY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.[/B] I SAID IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT DOES IF IT WEREN'T FOR SKYRIM.

Gooood, why can't you guys read?!

AND YOU USED "YOUR" WHEN SPEAKING ABOUT SOMETHING I AM!! IT'S YOU'RE FFS

[dogmachines]

[QUOTE=GoldenBullet;38776000]

I understand the references between the two but they just feel so forced.[/QUOTE]

You said it way better than me.

[editline]10th December 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38776014][B]I DIDN'T SAY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.[/B] I SAID IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT DOES IF IT WEREN'T FOR SKYRIM.

Gooood, why can't you guys read?! AND YOU USED "YOUR" WHEN SPEAKING ABOUT SOMETHING I AM!! IT'S YOU'RE FFS[/QUOTE]

So you said "it wouldn't look the same if not for Skyrim" and are getting pissed when people say that you said "it would look different if not for Skyrim"?

What?

[ni🅱️🅱️a]

We might just be looking at this wrong. If the Age of Light ended, and the Age of Darkness has started it would explain why the world is colder, and snow covers everything. Either that or the game is set in the numerous icy mountains that make up the backdrop for Dark Souls.

[GoldenBullet]

[QUOTE=Zondac;38776014][B]I DIDN'T SAY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.[/B] I SAID IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT DOES IF IT WEREN'T FOR SKYRIM.

Gooood, why can't you guys read?!

AND YOU USED "YOUR" WHEN SPEAKING ABOUT SOMETHING I AM!! IT'S YOU'RE FFS[/QUOTE]

"I strongly assume that if Skyrim hadn't been put into the picture, Dark Souls II would look very different from how it looks RIGHT NOW."

Exactly what you put. Very different.