[QUOTE=JazzyPunk;39240050]Picked up the game yesterday and its decent. Definitley not as bad as everyone says it is and I've been a big fan of the DMC series for a long time. You all need to chill out, It's just a game. Yeah the game has some flaws but this is like Ninja theory's like Fourth game? They're still improving, hopefully they can improve on their flaws next time.[/QUOTE]
As a game there is nothing wrong with it but what people are crying about is the portrayal of the "classic hit" characters.
Making ranks easier makes sense as they do want to rake in new players but messing around with Dantes personality is not what the majority of the old returning players want. Ever.
[QUOTE=ULessa;39241979]As a game there is nothing wrong with it but what people are crying about is the portrayal of the "classic hit" characters.
Making ranks easier makes sense as they do want to rake in new players but messing around with Dantes personality is not what the majority of the old returning players want. Ever.[/QUOTE]
Thats my biggest problem with the game, new dante comes off as a massive douche, especially at the wet baby chunks part.
You know it seems that they could've avoided a whole bunch of criticism if they didn't label this as Devil May Cry. Just change a few character names and references and no one would have noticed the difference.
Even then changing the name wouldn't fix the poor writing, poor direction, bad voice acting, button-mashing gameplay, and the 30 frames per second.
[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;39243532]Even then changing the name wouldn't fix the poor writing, poor direction, bad voice acting, button-mashing gameplay, and the 30 frames per second.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but at least then they'd be remembered as the people that tried to make a Devil May Cry clone that didn't do so well, rather than the people that fucked up Devil May Cry.
Anyone whos completed the game could comment on how they felt about the game story and its ending.
also if by the end of the game whether Dante becomes likable if you didn't like him in the beginning.
[QUOTE=Valdread;39244209]Anyone whos completed the game could comment on how they felt about the game story and its ending.
also if by the end of the game whether Dante becomes likable if you didn't like him in the beginning.[/QUOTE]
[del]Without going into detail that would spoil the game for you[/del], it's awful, and he doesn't.
In fact, Dante's characterisation as an edgy, anti-social, anti-authoritarian 'badass' courtesy of Ninja Theory is one of the prevailing reasons why the story starts and ends so badly. He plays up those traits to a fault at several critical junctions in the story.
If you really don't care for the story, here are the points in question:
[QUOTE=Mericet;39232632]He constantly states that he doesn't give a shit about the resistance movement he's been roped into, his long lost brother Vergil, or their half-angel half-demon heritage, yet goes along with it anyway. Dante's apathy and antisocial tendencies are utterly at odds with how the beginning of the story carries on, and he stays like that right up until the very last minute, [sp]when the main villain kidnaps the only named woman in the game who isn't a demon (otherwise known as Dante's last-minute love interest)[/sp] and he suddenly decides he [I]does[/I] give a shit.
Later in the story, he boasts about [sp]his brother aborting the main villain's unborn child with an assault rifle just to get a rise out of him. Yet another example of Ninja Theory attempting to make him come off as an edgy badass when it makes him look like a cunt.[/sp]
And at the very end of the game Dante [sp]starts a crap boss fight with his brother Vergil for suggesting that they should establish some sort of authority to protect the human race from the newly revealed demons. All because he believes that Vergil will end up replacing the villain they just killed despite the two characters being completely different. It's probably worth mentioning that they themselves revealed these demons to humanity so as to expose them to the soul farming/world domination scheme they've been caught up in, but all they've done is cause widespread destruction from Limbo crashing into the real world, while the average demon is all but unbeatable without Dante's or Vergil's weaponry or Nephilim-granted strength and agility. And those demons are all over the world now.[/sp]
[sp]The best part is that immediately after Dante decides to spare his brother at the cries of his newfound love interest (with whom Dante has exactly no chemistry other than him saving her from the main villain and standing up for her when Vergil starts patronising humans), he turns around and says "this world is under my protection now". Which is exactly what Vergil said, with even less commitment or planning behind it.[/sp]
[sp]Then Vergil cuts a hole in reality and storms off through it, presumably because he can't stand to be around this hypocritical douchebag he once called a brother any longer.[/sp]
You can go looking for the rest of the puerile (i.e. 'Shakesperian') banter in the game, but those are the most important parts of the narrative NT has been playing up all this time.[/QUOTE]
OK.
So I played a bit of DMC4.
And I played the DMC: DMC demo.
I'm really beginning to wonder where people are coming from with dumbed down combat. DMC4 you have X, Y, and B does a grab attack. DMC DMC you have X, Y, grabs, and a few weapons that change the X and Y attacks. So unless i'm just missing something i'm not sure where people are getting dumbed down combat from...
I do agree that it is easier to get high combo ranks. I don't see why that's a problem, but whatever.
Donte VS Dante. Dante is some generic JRPG invincible badass dude and you have Donte which is some generic anti-hero emo kid. I don't like either one.
The writing. Neither games have stellar writing.
So I mean really, the only major difference is the donte VS dante and the easier rank thing. DMC DMC from the demo is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be.
I feel like the game is falling victim to the IT'S TOO DIFFERENT like hitman absolution, metal gear rising (even though it isn't even part of the solid series), and NFS MW 2012 from recent memory.
[sp]B-b-b-but lego! What about the assault rifle abortion?[/sp]
I would like to point out that everyone on here didn't give a shit when they had the bomb truck explode that little girl in the MW3 campaign. I'm not saying we should have freaked out then, i'm saying why are we giving fucks NOW? Unless we are just searching for things wrong with the game...
[sp]B-b-b-b-but lego! What about when he went and boasted about it to the bad gah![/sp]
It's painfully obvious he was trying to piss off the villan. Donte either didn't like it or didn't take a stance on it. He was trying to annoy the villan that killed his mother and fucked up a lot of other things.
[editline]16th January 2013[/editline]
And the shakespearean thing? A voice actor said that. Not the writer, not the director, a voice actor.
I'm not saying we should disregaurd it completely but we should also note that it came from someone that just did VA work.
[QUOTE=legolover122;39245744]I'm really beginning to wonder where people are coming from with dumbed down combat. DMC4 you have X, Y, and B does a grab attack. DMC DMC you have X, Y, grabs, and a few weapons that change the X and Y attacks. So unless i'm just missing something i'm not sure where people are getting dumbed down combat from...[/QUOTE]
One major factor were the Styles, introduced in Devil May Cry 3 and carried over to Dante in 4. Each style had its own sets of attacks and abilities, altering playstyles accordingly when used in the third game. In the fourth, Dante could Style Change freely, mixing up his attacks and combos on the spot and having a large amount of movesets and variety in capabilities alongside the multiple weapons he got as per series tradition. Nero lacked this, having a more simple one-style kind of thing that relies on weapon-switching and the Devil Bringer; DmC's Dante seems to play like a heavily-altered version of Nero, oddly enough, which means the Style Changing, and Styles entirely, were eschewed in favor of the Angel and Demon weapon system.
And the A&D system brings its own problem to the table; methodical weaknesses. Now, weak points and specific hitting spots are nothing new to the games, but none of the previous games forced enemies to be hurt by only a specific weapon / type. While there were weaknesses, they did bonus damage - DmC literally stuns you in-place if you happen to hit the wrong enemy with the wrong weapon type, and actively forces you to mess around less and play it a bit more by the books, losing some of the experimental combo charm by putting an unnecessary element into the fights.
Not to mention, the ass auto lock-on system in-place of the manual lock-on even the first game had. No one likes the game forcibly selecting your targets for you outside of your control, and by using an auto lock you can't control other than via proximity to foes, you lose an intuitive part of that directional input for combos and thus another bit of extra depth is missing.
I'm not gonna go all 'DmC SUCKS FUCK DIS SHIT', but Ninja Theory definitely took a weird approach in their own unique way, and I don't wholly agree with it. But that's just me here, not trying to start a shitstorm. :v:
[QUOTE=legolover122;39245744]OK.
So I played a bit of DMC4.
And I played the DMC: DMC demo.
I'm really beginning to wonder where people are coming from with dumbed down combat. DMC4 you have X, Y, and B does a grab attack. DMC DMC you have X, Y, grabs, and a few weapons that change the X and Y attacks. So unless i'm just missing something i'm not sure where people are getting dumbed down combat from...
I do agree that it is easier to get high combo ranks. I don't see why that's a problem, but whatever[/QUOTE]
The Nero segment of DMC4 is extremely limited in terms of combat. He has no real flexibility compared to Dante due to his lack of weapons, and the Devil Bringer is something you end up relying heavily on for combos. The Dante segment on the other hand is where the weapons are at. That is where the combat gets interesting. Keeping a combo up becomes quite a feat at times, especially on the higher difficulties.
From the demo of DmC, the weapon system is a hell of a lot more fluid, but it does seem to be too easy to fight compared to the older ones. Compare the frustration of DMC3 combat to DmC, both have quite varied combat systems, but DMC3 is just harder in general, and actually challenges you. Plus the Styles mechanism is pretty cool.
But combat isn't my main gripe with DmC, it still felt pretty nice to play. It's just Donte is a god awful character, well...all the characters are god awful actually. Which is a shame because it lets down an amazing aesthetic and quite solid combat enough to put me off buying the game at anywhere near full price.
Thing is about DmC: Devil May Cry is that Ninja Theory are very proud of the writing job they've done. I can see it in the fantastic direction and presentation, but only faintly beneath all the bullshit that matches their standards of 'badass'.
They obviously do care about their stories because they got professional writers in to help with Heavenly Sword and Enslaved. The latter had a fantastic if prematurely ended story for Alex Garland's intervention. This game, not so much.
[QUOTE=legolover122;39245744]
[sp]B-b-b-but lego! What about the assault rifle abortion?[/sp]
I would like to point out that everyone on here didn't give a shit when they had the bomb truck explode that little girl in the MW3 campaign. I'm not saying we should have freaked out then, i'm saying why are we giving fucks NOW? Unless we are just searching for things wrong with the game...[/quote]
Yeah, there's a lot of things wrong with that scene, starting with the fact that it's a hostage exchange between the two opposing sides of the game, and not a terrorist attack. Makarov and the people who carry out No Russian / the Davis Family Holiday are the clear villains throughout the series. They do that shit all the time, which is likely why no one really gave a damn when the devs tried to pull the controversy card twice. It's just there to stir shit, and in case players somehow forgot who the bad guys were.
Meanwhile, [I]Dante and Vergil are the protagonists of DmC[/I] [sp](Vergil's betrayal is so close to the end that it barely counts).[/sp] No one ever said they had to be nice, especially not when everyone in DmC is a colossal arsehole anyway, but as protagonists they are beholden to some standards of sympathy and consistency if you have to follow them around for nearly 10 hours. They actually manage that well enough when they go to shut down Virility and RAPTOR News, two schemes which are ultimately better off for being dismantled.
[sp]Breaking the deal and killing Lilith, a character whose only role in all of the game was to please Mundus and carry his child[/sp] was something completely different to those events, something clearly meant to be a pivotal moment of the story (and potentially a point for Dante to question Vergil's motives and his own actions beyond saying "what the fuck?"), but it's just a small bump for two incredibly flat characters who never evolve beyond their egos and dark pasts.
The way that scene goes down - so late in the game at that - certainly has me thinking they wanted to do more, but ran out of time as many ambitious projects do.
[QUOTE=legolover122;39245744]
[sp]B-b-b-b-but lego! What about when he went and boasted about it to the bad gah![/sp]
It's painfully obvious he was trying to piss off the villan. Donte either didn't like it or didn't take a stance on it. He was trying to annoy the villan that killed his mother and fucked up a lot of other things.[/QUOTE]
You're right that he never really dwells on it, but between [sp]Lilith's brief anguish to being shot in the belly and Mundus's gesture of tearing the city apart in revenge[/sp], that just makes him seem even more remote. For some reason, Ninja Theory thought it made perfect sense to have a scene where those two demons (the designated villains no less) react and behave in a completely [I]human[/I] way to tragedy, while Dante laughs it off and exploits it because that's supposed to be so edgy.
And as I've said, the most important thing about that line is it makes him sound like a cunt and not a badass, which is a fine state for him to end up after an entire game's worth of 'plot' and 'character development'.
Also the ending makes no sense. [sp]"We need to protect the humans Donte", "No Vorgil, I won't let you, you'll become mundus (For some reason, wait why?), but really we need to protect the Humans, this girl who's not really a character told me to." suddenly Vorgil opens a portal and fucks off because of reasons and they both look like complete idiots.[/sp]
[img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/92b8a59d28a96ce602ed7cd45c4a760b/tumblr_mgjishc0YH1rfbp51o1_500.jpg[/img]
Like a bolt of lightning, it hits me.
Awwwwww son of a beetch, I loved DMC4 so much but traded it in years ago and now that I crave it so bad, I don't even have the money to buy the GMG sale of it.
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
How long is the sale for so I can save money?
[editline]17th January 2013[/editline]
Nevermind, found a random 20% voucher off of the net and got it for 5~ bucks.
[QUOTE=Zeos;39248366]Also the ending makes no sense. [sp]"We need to protect the humans Donte", "No Vorgil, I won't let you, you'll become mundus (For some reason, wait why?), but really we need to protect the Humans, this girl who's not really a character told me to." suddenly Vorgil opens a portal and fucks off because of reasons and they both look like complete idiots.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Holy shit how did i not notice this, it literally doesn't make sense [sp] If Dante ended up having to rule over humans why the fuck was he so against ruling with vergil. [/sp]
Jesus NT why didn't you get someone else to do the writing.
This is what Dante used to be
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnIo9KZGpnQ[/media]
In the same situation Donte would probably just flip the bird at the statue and yell "FUCK YOU"
Also
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/gLtOt.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/e5bik.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/AnhUD.jpg[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=Heigou;39249220]Nevermind, found a random 20% voucher off of the net and got it for 5~ bucks.[/QUOTE]
Got it for 1.69£ aka 2€ :v:
What I'm hoping is that capcom will pull a "New Coke" with this game and then in a year or two be like "Here is Coke classic, complete with crazy styles and gameplay, what? you thought we liked New coke?"
[QUOTE=Valdread;39267628][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft7hlHjZw0c[/media][/QUOTE]
send it to TamTam's Twitter and see what bs explanation he has for this.
Just done with DMC4. Amazing game all around. Huge credit for actually making an entire part of the game based on back tracking and do it great because you play as a new character and there are some actually big changes throughout.
Bought the HD collection yesterday, so I played DMC1 right after. It really doesn't play the same on a lot of levels and even though I kind of prefer the more morbid design Dante is definitely a better character in DMC4. It's funny to play as him at his peak of power in DMC4, then go back to when he was super shitty and died in a few hits. The shotgun is so OP in dmc1 though.
[QUOTE=Man in the Moon;39267718]send it to TamTam's Twitter and see what bs explanation he has for this.[/QUOTE]
I think hes abandoned his twitter account for now because he doesn't want to see the truth.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;39267785]Just done with DMC4. Amazing game all around. Huge credit for actually making an entire part of the game based on back tracking and do it great because you play as a new character and there are some actually big changes throughout.
Bought the HD collection yesterday, so I played DMC1 right after. It really doesn't play the same on a lot of levels and even though I kind of prefer the more morbid design Dante is definitely a better character in DMC4. It's funny to play as him at his peak of power in DMC4, then go back to when he was super shitty and died in a few hits. The shotgun is so OP in dmc1 though.[/QUOTE]
My favourite part of DMC 4 is like "Hey, remember how you, by this point in the game, have mastered Nero's abilities and have generally played through a regular length game? That was the tutorial, here is a billion more abilities, a complex style system, swappable weapons, each with their own skill trees. Oh yeah that "final boss" was only the end of the first third of the game. Enjoy"
[QUOTE=Zeos;39268690]My favourite part of DMC 4 is like "Hey, remember how you, by this point in the game, have mastered Nero's abilities and have generally played through a regular length game? That was the tutorial, here is a billion more abilities, a complex style system, swappable weapons, each with their own skill trees. Oh yeah that "final boss" was only the end of the first third of the game. Enjoy"[/QUOTE]
you're reaaaally making me want to replay dmc4
Trying to find compliments to give this game. I want to see if my tired and true philosophy of "every game has some sort of redeeming quality" will hold up.
1. I like the soundtrack
2. Graphics are okay
3. Some character designs are okay, I guess.
4. [sp]FUCK YOU[/sp]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;39268798]Trying to find compliments to give this game. I want to see if my tired and true philosophy of "every game has some sort of redeeming quality" will hold up.
1. I like the soundtrack
2. Graphics are okay
3. Some character designs are okay, I guess.
4. [sp]FUCK YOU[/sp][/QUOTE]
The Environments are pretty, Besides all the fucking unnecessary platforming.
[QUOTE=Man in the Moon;39268749]you're reaaaally making me want to replay dmc4[/QUOTE]
Started playing it again and I suck so bad at it, I'm playing on Devil Hunter mode with Turbo on and jesus christ am I getting my ass kicked, I'm frapsing everything in hope of making a playthrough but I'm so bad at it.
[QUOTE=Heigou;39268893]Started playing it again and I suck so bad at it, I'm playing on Devil Hunter mode with Turbo on and jesus christ am I getting my ass kicked, I'm frapsing everything in hope of making a playthrough but I'm so bad at it.[/QUOTE]
I got the HD collection for Christmas, I con't know how I beat the original dmc3 on american normal (japanese hard) back when I was 13. I'm trying to now, but goodness.
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