Paradox Interactive Megathread V1 - "Rebels, Rebels Everywhere!" - Games

Is there anyway to destroy an Empire you've gained control of? Trying to get rid of the HRE title.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39439489]there aren't any easily identifiable empires or "nations" that most people would really recognize. there were franks, avars, vandals, goths, saxons, britons, etc. games tend to take place later when there are places like the kingdom of england, scotland, france, and denmark that people can easily identify and relate to(since they still exist today).[/QUOTE] There's also the fact that the 400 AD-1000 AD period is considered to be a dark age where very few historical sources about those times were preserved, hence why setting up individual characters and political situations in a historically accurate way is more or less impossible.

[QUOTE=Tureis;39446997]Is there anyway to destroy an Empire you've gained control of? Trying to get rid of the HRE title.[/QUOTE] You can't unless you have another empire title.

[QUOTE=Tureis;39446997]Is there anyway to destroy an Empire you've gained control of? Trying to get rid of the HRE title.[/QUOTE] Found this method on Paradox Plaza, I don't know how else you could do it in-game [quote=http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?645827-Destroying-the-HRE&p=14603863&viewfull=1#post14603863]You can do it with console commands..... Open the console. (hold down alt and press "2" "1" on the numerical keyboard (without the quotation marks)) Write "charinfo 1" Close the console again, same way you opened it. Find a random landless courtier, outside your own realm. Hover the mouse over the selected courtiers picture for a few seconds. Note his Character ID, normally a 6 digit code. But can be less. Ie: 576433, 607899 or 70. Open console again. Write "give_title e_hre ID#". Ie: "give_title e_hre 576433" This should transfer the emperial crown to your selected random nobody. But only the Imperial crown, nothings else. No vassals or anything. After a while the title will then autodestruct, since the owner dosn't actually own any land.[/quote]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/tWCu2Bl.jpg[/img] Sweden, Courland, Livonia, Prussia and the 3 knightly orders are all places I conquered from the Horde and granted independence. Sweden is a Republic.

The Serenest Republic of Britannia? :v:

How do I grant kingdom titles to dukes under my control? Courland is back under my control and I want to give it the title of lithuania.

[QUOTE=croguy;39447265]There's also the fact that the 400 AD-1000 AD period is considered to be a dark age where very few historical sources about those times were preserved, hence why setting up individual characters and political situations in a historically accurate way is more or less impossible.[/QUOTE] im p. sure that's a myth. i mean there was a relative lack of records in some areas but it isn't enough to really characterize the time as being "dark".

And besides. It wasn't even dark. The Byzantines lit everything on fire.

Well Europe was a bit shit at the time.

Just think. If it weren't for that dang Muhammed and his religious following, the East Roman Empire would still exist to this day.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;39450739]Well Europe was a bit shit at the time.[/QUOTE] there was some turmoil while the barbarians began migrating, but after that, the quality of life generally increased for most people(better than at the end of the roman empire). europe wasn't a bit shit at the time, it enjoyed relative peace(except in spain and the balkan frontiers), food was relatively plentiful, and shit was fairly stable for most people. the high middle ages, and the renaissance is where shit started to get pretty brutal for europe.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39450768]Just think. If it weren't for that dang Muhammed and his religious following, the East Roman Empire would still exist to this day.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but all sense of national identity or culture would've probably been lost because they were adapted to a time long past. Adapt or die, after all.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39450768]Just think. If it weren't for that dang Muhammed and his religious following, the East Roman Empire would still exist to this day.[/QUOTE] no it probably wouldn't. a big reason the eastern roman empire fell was because of the venicians, actually. venice was jealous of byzantine trade and were able to hijack the 4th crusade and irreparably fuck up constantinople.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39450768]Just think. If it weren't for that dang Muhammed and his religious following, the East Roman Empire would still exist to this day.[/QUOTE]If it weren't for Alexios IV, the sack of Constantinopolis and the creation of the Latin Empire in it's wake would've never happened at all. Thus ensuring the Eastern Roman Empire would've survived for much longer than it could have historically.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39450945]no it probably wouldn't. a big reason the eastern roman empire fell was because of the venicians, actually. venice was jealous of byzantine trade and were able to hijack the 4th crusade and irreparably fuck up constantinople.[/QUOTE] I'm talking more along the lines of way before that. Around 600-800 I mean. Where they started to rapidly lose spain and Africa to the rising Islam movement.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39450945]no it wouldn't. a big reason the eastern roman empire fell was because of the venicians, actually. venice was jealous of byzantine trade and were able to hijack the 4th crusade and irreparably fuck up constantinople.[/QUOTE]That isn't true at all. The Venetians didn't want to sack Constantinopolis at all after Zara. They, and the Crusaders, wanted to invade through Eygpt; the epitome of the Moslom's military resources, and strike at the Holy Land from there. Instead, since the Crusaders were in heavy debt, the Venetians refused to go on. Alexios used this to his advantage to promise military aid and support if he was restored to the Imperial throne. And of course, what follows is history.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39450870]there was some turmoil while the barbarians began migrating, but after that, the quality of life generally increased for most people(better than at the end of the roman empire). europe wasn't a bit shit at the time, it enjoyed relative peace(except in spain and the balkan frontiers), food was relatively plentiful, and shit was fairly stable for most people. the high middle ages, and the renaissance is where shit started to get pretty brutal for europe.[/QUOTE] Uh, you do understand that the term "dark age" also means a period of history which doesn't have many historical sources? The fact that there were very few intellectuals at all means that nobody was producing manuscripts which covered history. Sure, there are historical sources of that time, but most were summaries of that period [I]after[/I] it happened.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39450986]I'm talking more along the lines of way before that. Around 600-800 I mean. Where they started to rapidly lose spain and Africa to the rising Islam movement.[/QUOTE] yea but even then the empire wasn't in true decline. it had lost much of its territory but it wasn't near being destroyed. even the battle of manzikert wasn't really a tipping point. the empire still maintained a very respectable(and very rich) amount of holdings in asia minor, greece, and the balkans. if it wasn't for the 4th crusade(and latin empire), the byzantine empire might have been longer lived. [QUOTE=kamikaze470;39451007]That isn't true at all. The Venetians didn't want to sack Constantinopolis at all after Zara. They, and the Crusaders, wanted to invade through Eygpt; the epitome of the Moslom's military resources, and strike at the Holy Land from there. Instead, since the Crusaders were in heavy debt, the Venetians refused to go on. Alexios used this to his advantage to promise military aid and support if he was restored to the Imperial throne. And of course, what follows is history.[/QUOTE] doge dandolo was incredibly supportive of the alexios' plan to divert the crusade to constantinople. there is even debate about whether dandolo had planned to support an incursion into the byzantine empire in the first place. it's obvious the venetian republican and dandolo had a lot to gain from weakening the empire. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=croguy;39451161]Uh, you do understand that the term "dark age" also means a period of history which doesn't have many historical sources? The fact that there were very few intellectuals at all means that nobody was producing manuscripts which covered history. Sure, there are historical sources of that time, but most were summaries of that period [I]after[/I] it happened.[/QUOTE] did you read my post before that? [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] croguy, there is a reason why historians don't use the term "dark ages" and instead use the term "early middle ages". "However, from the mid-20th century onwards, other historians became critical of even this nonjudgmental use of the term for two main reasons.First, it is questionable whether it is possible to use the term "Dark Ages" effectively in a neutral way; scholars may intend this, but it does not mean that ordinary readers will so understand it. Second, the explosion of new knowledge and insight into the history and culture of the Early Middle Ages, which 20th-century scholarship has achieved, means that these centuries are no longer dark even in the sense of "unknown to us". To avoid the value judgment implied by the expression, many historians avoid it altogether." [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_%28historiography%29#Modern_academic_use[/url]

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;39450768]Just think. If it weren't for that dang Muhammed and his religious following, the East Roman Empire would still exist to this day.[/QUOTE] The historical evidence for Muhammed is quite lacking in itself, and the origins of Islam seem dodgy (much like Christianity). The Romans and Sassanian Empires were slogging it out around the time and a whole bunch of Christian heresies were springing up at the time in that contested area. Add in the aggressive expansion of Arabic tribes and you get an Empire coming out of nowhere.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39451392]The historical evidence for Muhammed is quite lacking in itself, and the origins of Islam seem dodgy (much like Christianity). The Romans and Sassanian Empires were slogging it out around the time and a whole bunch of Christian heresies were springing up at the time in that contested area. Add in the aggressive expansion of Arabic tribes and you get an Empire coming out of nowhere.[/QUOTE] Yep. Exactly what I was saying. It was horrifying how fast they just sprang up and conquered everything.

So in my Vicky 2 game as Canada, as you know I've conquered the Americas and control most of the Pacific, what should I do now? Just sit back and watch Europe fall apart? I'm allied with Scandinavia (minus Finland), Ireland, Japan, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Crete.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;39451690]So in my Vicky 2 game as Canada, as you know I've conquered the Americas and control most of the Pacific, what should I do now? Just sit back and watch Europe fall apart? I'm allied with Scandinavia (minus Finland), Ireland, Japan, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Crete.[/QUOTE] Eat all of Asia sans Russia.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;39451690]So in my Vicky 2 game as Canada, as you know I've conquered the Americas and control most of the Pacific, what should I do now? Just sit back and watch Europe fall apart? I'm allied with Scandinavia (minus Finland), Ireland, Japan, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Crete.[/QUOTE] Canadian World Union

Well before I could Start my Asian Campaign, Fascist France decided to Declare war on Scandinavia in a war of Honour, being my Ally and I decided to help them instead. [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/594742474751502615/12BD7BFC82CD276F326D52FB2E6BEFFD0A19C724/[/t] [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] I've taken Frances African Colonies so far.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;39452502]Well before I could Start my Asian Campaign, Fascist France decided to Declare war on Scandinavia in a war of Honour, being my Ally and I decided to help them instead. [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/594742474751502615/12BD7BFC82CD276F326D52FB2E6BEFFD0A19C724/[/t] [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] I've taken Frances African Colonies so far.[/QUOTE] what a pathetically small military score you have only 5.14 million soldiers. how do you even survive against other gp's?

[QUOTE=lifehole;39452776]what a pathetically small military score you have only 5.14 million soldiers. how do you even survive against other gp's?[/QUOTE] Small? I'm Number 1 of all the GPs [t]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594742474752276615/E209E29D08F24C43BB34F0B8D4FE703BEE13F951/[/t] [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] The UK is the only GP with more soldiers then me by 0.5 Million.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;39453029]Small? I'm Number 1 of all the GPs [t]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/594742474752276615/E209E29D08F24C43BB34F0B8D4FE703BEE13F951/[/t] [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] The UK is the only GP with more soldiers then me by 0.5 Million.[/QUOTE] It's sarcasm. Also, how in the fuck did the UK get that many soldiers?

[QUOTE=lifehole;39453217]It's sarcasm. Also, how in the fuck did the UK get that many soldiers?[/QUOTE] I have no Clue. All they control is the Isles parts of India and all of Egypt.

If I didn't know any better I'd swear that England just fucking cheats in half of the games I play. When I see 500k stacks descending on China, Persia, and France at the same time supported by like 400 ships I just can't help but feel there's something fishy going on.