Total War Megathread V.2: "All of Christendom Will be Awed by this Megathread!" - Games

I'll never get over how they shipped Empire in an incomplete state with a half finished map. Why the fuck is France one territory?

Empire was one of the worst games I've ever played, It wasn't worthy of being a total war game. On release anyway, nowadays its just a pretty shit game but not the worst.

I tried playing Empire again today and I had forgotten how retarded the campaign map was. Why is there a hole in the middle of Europe instead of Switzerland?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;38115222]Empire was one of the worst games I've ever played, It wasn't worthy of being a total war game. On release anyway, nowadays its just a pretty shit game but not the worst.[/QUOTE] I always hated how the people would revolt when you made factories. Yeah fuck being employed!

[QUOTE=Nikota;38115776]I always hated how the people would revolt when you made factories. Yeah fuck being employed![/QUOTE] It's historically accurate though. The people disliked the idea of working in so called factories and where afraid that loads of people would lose their job because of the revolutionary technology. Besides, there where almost no laws to protect workers; lose a few fingers/hand? Tough luck buddy, there's loads of others who can do your job just fine.

I would pay lodes e mone for an imperial era Total War Start in 1840 or so, entire world as a map, play as any of the European nations, the US, Canada, all of south america, Japan, China, etc. Have it lead all the way up to WWI era. If this was done TCA would have my first-born child [editline]20th October 2012[/editline] gatling guns, rifles, dynamite, steamships.... maybe late game early versions of artillery

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;38116805]I would pay lodes e mone for an imperial era Total War Start in 1840 or so, entire world as a map, play as any of the European nations, the US, Canada, all of south america, Japan, China, etc. Have it lead all the way up to WWI era. If this was done TCA would have my first-born child [editline]20th October 2012[/editline] gatling guns, rifles, dynamite, steamships.... maybe late game early versions of artillery[/QUOTE] uh yes

[QUOTE=Nikota;38115077]I'll never get over how they shipped Empire in an incomplete state with a half finished map. Why the fuck is France one territory?[/QUOTE] I might be wrong, but I think it's supposed to symbolise how centralised its government was at that time.

Eh. Sucks for them to be that centralized. I end up taking it out in turn 5 as the Dutch.

If those who want a ww1 mod for empire there's one here [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cayk7wZBeNE&list=UUrvVIpeStxhBA4LWDbyg7Nw&index=7&feature=plcp[/media] much more lower quality due to both empire and the skill but they have EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY who participated, even fucking Columbia who had a single roster. And if you don't want to wait for 5.0 these guys have helmets and rifles in all their glory. [url]http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=545913[/url] [img]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg641/scaled.php?server=641&filename=usmarineslate.jpg&res=landing[/img] [img]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg507/scaled.php?server=507&filename=knifecombat.jpg&res=landing[/img] [img]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg826/scaled.php?server=826&filename=britishofficer.jpg&res=medium[/img]

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;38116805]I would pay lodes e mone for an imperial era Total War Start in 1840 or so, entire world as a map, play as any of the European nations, the US, Canada, all of south america, Japan, China, etc. Have it lead all the way up to WWI era. If this was done TCA would have my first-born child [editline]20th October 2012[/editline] gatling guns, rifles, dynamite, steamships.... maybe late game early versions of artillery[/QUOTE] This would be GREAT holy shit. And towards the end of the game light infantry become more versatile and greater in number, eventually making up the entire force as tactics moved away from the stereotypical heavily structured formations to more modern maneuver warfare. While the smaller nations from the start would probably get reasonably good irregular, light infantry, specializing in that better than larger nations at first. This would make a goddamn excellent game, I hope they consider it mid-2013 after Rome 2 is released (something I'm personally looking forward to anyway).

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;38116805]I would pay lodes e mone for an imperial era Total War Start in 1840 or so, entire world as a map, play as any of the European nations, the US, Canada, all of south america, Japan, China, etc. Have it lead all the way up to WWI era. If this was done TCA would have my first-born child [editline]20th October 2012[/editline] gatling guns, rifles, dynamite, steamships.... maybe late game early versions of artillery[/QUOTE] That's exactly the setting of Victoria II. But sadly it doesn't have real time battles.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;38115557]I tried playing Empire again today and I had forgotten how retarded the campaign map was. Why is there a hole in the middle of Europe instead of Switzerland?[/QUOTE] I don't really care since you have all those other places to play, the Americas, India, lots of shipfights. I like it.

Oh man, I was playing that venice and I was feeling real good bout myself, until fucking milan back stabs me, takes venice (which I burned to the ground to keep them from getting anything good ;_;7), my siege on bologna failed abysmally, I lost florence to the spanish. Now I'm taking my horde through byzantine and hungarian lands, hoping to get away from the italian and their circle-jerk of alliances against me. Except milan's chasing me now.

[QUOTE=Mbbird;38114991]My first campaign in Empire was as the Maratha Confederacy. You don't realize how goddamn AWESOME their Hindu Warriors and super brave line infantry are until you play as some wimpy European nation.[/QUOTE] I'm playing as Russia, and so far I've conquered every major Muslim nation except the Maratha and the Mughals. Who are presently duking it out for India.

[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;38125474] hoping to get away from the italian and their circle-jerk of alliances against me. Except milan's chasing me now.[/QUOTE] What did you expect to happen? Venice's victory condition is to fuck Genoa and Genoa's victory condition is to fuck Venice. Sicily's victory condition is to fuck both of you :v:

Sicily is the least of all evils, the nations warring me are: Milan, hungary, the byzantine empire, sicily and the holy roman empire. All i have for my name is poland.

I'd only worry about Genoa and Hungary. I've never seen the HRE ever do shit in Italy other than hold up in Bologna. The Byzantines typically will leave you alone, aside from harassing Crete, aslong as you don't touch any Greek settlements.

[QUOTE=Broguts;38126255]I'm playing as Russia, and so far I've conquered every major Muslim nation except the Maratha and the Mughals. Who are presently duking it out for India.[/QUOTE] The other muslim nations aren't too hard to take over, at least not any more than most European nations. But in trying to play as Spain and Poland-Lithuania I'd be hesitant to try invading India. The AI for both a successful Maratha Confederacy and the Mughal Empire at first really seem to like nearly-full stack armies, and they're unrivaled in melee combat and morale. Might require copious amounts of light infantry and cavalry to work without too many losses.

[QUOTE=Mbbird;38129435]The other muslim nations aren't too hard to take over, at least not any more than most European nations. But in trying to play as Spain and Poland-Lithuania I'd be hesitant to try invading India. The AI for both a successful Maratha Confederacy and the Mughal Empire at first really seem to like nearly-full stack armies, and they're unrivaled in melee combat and morale. Might require copious amounts of light infantry and cavalry to work without too many losses.[/QUOTE] So what you're saying is it'll take exactly what Russia doesn't have?

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;38116805]I would pay lodes e mone for an imperial era Total War Start in 1840 or so, entire world as a map, play as any of the European nations, the US, Canada, all of south america, Japan, China, etc. Have it lead all the way up to WWI era. If this was done TCA would have my first-born child [editline]20th October 2012[/editline] gatling guns, rifles, dynamite, steamships.... maybe late game early versions of artillery[/QUOTE] Though it would be the Empire days, so Canada would be under the British Empire, unless you planned to declare independence. What I'd want to see is realistic populations that relate to your military. Currently the system lets you buy as many troops as your towns have, but then the towns just grow again and you still have the army you bought, so in the end you could have an army that was bigger than your own country (yet costly to keep).

To expand on mbbird's point on later 19th century infantry tactics, here's some text from Emory Upton's book on the Armies of Europe and Asia, written in 1877, under "Method of Attack": [url]http://archive.org/stream/cu31924030740769#page/n315/mode/2up[/url] Note the emphasis on beginning an engagement with the use of skirmishers and troops in open order formation, and the emphasis on using successive rushes (sounds like a early form of fire and maneuver?) as a way to advance towards an enemy position. While there is reservation for a stereotyped bayonet charge, even in the bayonet charge there is some emphasis on fire action if a formed battle line cannot reach the enemy position in a single bound.

[QUOTE=Vasili;38129638]Though it would be the Empire days, so Canada would be under the British Empire, unless you planned to declare independence. What I'd want to see is realistic populations that relate to your military. Currently the system lets you buy as many troops as your towns have, but then the towns just grow again and you still have the army you bought, so in the end you could have an army that was bigger than your own country (yet costly to keep).[/QUOTE] There are a lot of little logical fallacies present in TW games, sadly. The games need more things like this to bring you a better feeling that you're controlling a nation and not playing Civilization CLXII with an awesome realtime mode.

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;38116805]I would pay lodes e mone for an imperial era Total War Start in 1840 or so, entire world as a map, play as any of the European nations, the US, Canada, all of south america, Japan, China, etc. Have it lead all the way up to WWI era. If this was done TCA would have my first-born child [editline]20th October 2012[/editline] gatling guns, rifles, dynamite, steamships.... maybe late game early versions of artillery[/QUOTE] I don't really think it would be different enough from empire to warrant a game made about that era, plus at that time there wasn't much empire expansion going on, plus most empire were beginning to collapse around that time rather than expand

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38130087]I don't really think it would be different enough from empire to warrant a game made about that era, plus at that time there wasn't much empire expansion going on, plus most empire were beginning to collapse around that time rather than expand[/QUOTE] Uh, Opium Wars, 'murica civil war, Japan's rise to imperial prominence, the Franco-Prussian wars, the scramble for africa, the revolutions in south america.... that's just off the top of my head.

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;38130238]Uh, Opium Wars, 'murica civil war, Japan's rise to imperial prominence, the Franco-Prussian wars, the scramble for africa, the revolutions in south america.... that's just off the top of my head.[/QUOTE] I guess if they expanded the map a lot more it'd be worth it, but I'd rather start from 1800 rather than 1850

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38130284]I guess if they expanded the map a lot more it'd be worth it, but I'd rather start from 1800 rather than 1850[/QUOTE] so you'd rather have napoleon 2?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38130284]I guess if they expanded the map a lot more it'd be worth it, but I'd rather start from 1800 rather than 1850[/QUOTE] Yeah, a complete world map would be awesome. Only problem with starting in 1800 is then you have to deal with the napoleonic wars too, which we already have a game for. I think 1830/40 is fine

[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;38130585]so you'd rather have napoleon 2?[/QUOTE] I never played napoleon, did it go on for 100 years like empire did?

Think with your noggin dummy. The Napoleonic wars ended in 1815