I just played an all random game where centaur and spectre fed 6 kills in 4 minutes to me and veno in top lane.
Needless to say, We won that..
I realise jungle Enigma is a money maker but there clearly is NO reason to rush a radiance.
edit:
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/127270610[/url]
He's an insane pusher and even more dangerous in teamfights with a Radiance, but you should never get one right off the bat, wait until you have both Blink Dagger (and/or BKB depending on situation). And even THEN you shouldn't get it if there's another carry on the team who will want it.
Enigma can farm a Blink Dagger and a Radiance by 25/26 minutes if he wanted to and still participate in teamfights.
[editline]16th February 2013[/editline]
Never go Midas though, that's dumb.
midas is great depending on the situation
He's talking about Enigma
Who radiance is so fucking terrible on but I'm tired of arguing against it because I can't convince some people
and he edited his comment so I look silly now
[QUOTE=Harpie;39610772]midas is great depending on the situation[/QUOTE]
The problem is that most people either
1. Always get its, even if its at minute 20 and he only has boots
2. Never gets it, even if he has 5k gold by minute 7.
Also Midas on Enigma sucks.
Not really stupid or anything, but I remember facing a team of: Zeus, Spectre, Furion and I don't remember the last two picks, probably Invo/AA/Warlock among them.
Anyway, we didn't really know what we were facing until at around 25-35min when we lost 3/5 people to global spells and rest limping back to base [b]and it wasn't even a team fight!! they were in their jungle/rosh while we were around our jungle!![/b]
I was solo laning as lone druid in the long lane, and i was up against a sven and kotl, so I barely got any farm but i managed and i did stay alive until a kunkka with double damage came to kill me. So i had to go to the jungle to farm and our shaman and drow ranger started saying i was doing nothing and not helping and i fed during the entire early game, which i only died once.
Why do i get to play with horrible people?
Just played a game where I managed to feed twice as DK to PA in the first 2 minutes. Probably the most cringeworthy thing I've ever done in a game ever. It's unfortunate because it was a quite close game and I think if we hadn't given them such an early advantage it could've played out much differently.
[editline]16th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gekkosan;39613389]Not really stupid or anything, but I remember facing a team of: Zeus, Spectre, Furion and I don't remember the last two picks, probably Invo/AA/Warlock among them.
Anyway, we didn't really know what we were facing until at around 25-35min when we lost 3/5 people to global spells and rest limping back to base [b]and it wasn't even a team fight!! they were in their jungle/rosh while we were around our jungle!![/b][/QUOTE]
That is genius. I'd love to see a game where everyone intentionally exploits their global presence like that.
I love stupid Pubseekers.
Hey guys, I got an idea.
First, I'll silence the Troll who already popped his ult.
and then... get ready for this shit, silence the Clinkz who already used Strafe!
Hey... Why is everybody dead?
[url]http://dotabuff.com/matches/127628035[/url]
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear oh dear. God I love AA.
Also I just had a match where we had a huge feeder Tusk (Like 0/16) who kept complaining about me, who was 4/5/something. They were Russian,[i]BIG[/i] surprise. That AA match we had SB and Riki on the same lane with Lion and AA on the same lane. Even when I said something about it, they didn't even respond. God dammit.
Lifestealer who went into jungle, and few moments later died to Neutrals.
He responded "Cyka" in all-chat, in Russian, probably referring to those creeps that claimed his miserable life.
Went with a sniper who went mid, and lost the lane to lich. Never ganked, just farmed and initiated fights with his ult. Why.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/FyWmC1Y.jpg[/IMG]
So uh... Leshrac that didn't level his edict until he had 2 ult levels (surprise, we lost)
And the first time i played as bane, we ended up playing against a good weaver who got a TRIPLE FUCKING RAPIER (i sucked pretty much)
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/eumtFxg.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=FuryBlitz;39628849]Went with a sniper who went mid, and lost the lane to lich. Never ganked, just farmed and initiated fights with his ult. Why.[/QUOTE]
sniper has 0 ganking power anyway, if he's mid it's for the fast levels and easy farm more than anything else
this annoys me actually, people automatically assume mid [I]has[/I] to be constantly ganking
Imo mid is for heroes who either need levels + ganking quickly, or who can farm there safely and need the fast levels.
[QUOTE=dual elites;39630026]sniper has 0 ganking power anyway, if he's mid it's for the fast levels and easy farm more than anything else
this annoys me actually, people automatically assume mid [I]has[/I] to be constantly ganking[/QUOTE]
It usually depends on what your enemy team has mid. If they have ganker you should also have one, no reason to put a hard carry mid while your sidelanes get ganked and all you can do is farm mid. At best you have a semi-carry/ganker.
the thing is you put mid good duellists, mids dont have to actively gank, for instance sniper can do mad harrass while out of harms range but he's not good at ganking at all
on the other hand someone like a viper is an excellent duellist cause of his orbs but he has slows out the ass so he can fuck off to other lanes and gank with ease
[QUOTE=Harpie;39630152]the thing is you put mid good duellists, mids dont have to actively gank, for instance [B]sniper can do mad harrass while out of harms range but he's not good at ganking at all[/B]
[/QUOTE]
Uhh. Headshot and Assassinate are both great for ganking. One half-way reliable disable + sniper is an easy kill.
[QUOTE=dual elites;39630026]sniper has 0 ganking power anyway, if he's mid it's for the fast levels and easy farm more than anything else
this annoys me actually, people automatically assume mid [I]has[/I] to be constantly ganking[/QUOTE]
But if you are not going to gank at least tell ss properly and push the lane to get more emone and freedom for farming jungle or help other lanes.
Last game I played, me and two friends paired with two russians. They pick troll and wisp and go to lane. Not bad until I realize wisp bought no wards or courier. Bought no support items all game, once the troll got his lifesteal they went to Roshan 3 times in a row trying to kill him and got ganked each time. Fed 6 kills to the other team in a couple of minutes.
Today I've learned that there's not many things worse than playing with a Naga Siren who doesn't get that no one can give/take any damage when she casts her ult, and "Intermissions" a team fight for 5 seconds.
Naga related:
I would consider myself a 'semi-good' Naga player and what really annoys me is that when I initiate using my ult and call a primary target using pings some people still refuse to move to it. So usually half of my team just idles, picking their noses while the other half including me dies in that teamfight.
Another story, last time I played Naga I had this situation:
-I channel my ult.
-Our Earthshaker moves right in the middle of the enemy team, my ult is still active
-We wait 1 or 2 seconds, my ult is still active for about 2 seconds.
-Without any warning our ES casts his ult and then even his Q, ult is still active
His first response: 'Naga noob'
I think you see the dilemma now, canceling siren song too early will lead to the enemy team nuking the crap out of you, while not canceling it may lead to your own team firing their shots too early.
If your team casts too early on Naga ult 9/10 its their fault.
When the game starts, one of our team mates abandons immediately.
I pick Bloodseeker, and over the course of the game, learned that the enemy team didn't understand that Rupture deals damage when they move.
The enemy Sniper ragequit after getting killed 5 times by me, and thanks to him, I got enough gold to violate his team before we won. Too bad that one guy left before the game even started. I would've loved to get a replay out of that.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;39642874]If your team casts too early on Naga ult 9/10 its their fault.[/QUOTE]
In cases like Enigma however, its 100% of the time Nagas fault.
I've seen void chronosphering enemies under naga ult, while also trapping the naga.
Talking of void, once when I used his chronosphere and locked all 5 enemy heroes, I managed to get a quadruple kill, then Rubick stole my sphere and casted it on BOTH of us.
My team was going spastic.
did you get rampage off the rubick ?
Rubick killed him.
[editline]19th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=uber.;39642510]Naga related:
I would consider myself a 'semi-good' Naga player and what really annoys me is that when I initiate using my ult and call a primary target using pings some people still refuse to move to it. So usually half of my team just idles, picking their noses while the other half including me dies in that teamfight.
Another story, last time I played Naga I had this situation:
-I channel my ult.
-Our Earthshaker moves right in the middle of the enemy team, my ult is still active
-We wait 1 or 2 seconds, my ult is still active for about 2 seconds.
-Without any warning our ES casts his ult and then even his Q, ult is still active
His first response: 'Naga noob'
I think you see the dilemma now, canceling siren song too early will lead to the enemy team nuking the crap out of you, while not canceling it may lead to your own team firing their shots too early.[/QUOTE]
You should almost never use your ult for initiating as Naga, unless you have an Enigma or Dark Seer on your team, or it will end up very badly most of the time.
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