[QUOTE=Heigou;38611908]This guy is right and wrong.
I don't get a legendary or mystique feel about a raid I'll never get to see, I just feel locked out of content I pay for because of several reasons, be it population imbalance on my realm or not enough time to devote in the game, etc.
This video is pretty much a guy nostalgia bombing as alot of people do, we all think "Back then it was awesome" "Back then it was hard but satisfying" "Back then this, back then that" but in truth if you actually went to that back then you'd bust your fucking nuts just trying to get anything done if you had a semblance of life outside WoW and it would be extremely boring and unsatisfying and wouldn't have any "epic" feel to it as he keeps saying.
There's just both side of the medals, on one end, making everything TOO MUCH accessible will definitely make it a bit more boring, but then you have making it TOO MUCH difficult and there's a fucking problem when less than a percent of your playerbase is experiencing that content, that's fucking retarded and anyone thinking otherwise is just nostalgia bombing from Vanilla[/QUOTE]
It's not really about nostalgia as he isn't saying he wants old WoW back, he's saying he wants that epic journey back which is exactly what WoW is missing. Today, I don't raid not because I'm not geared for it, but because I find it boring and unsatisfying. Nothing is pushing me to do it like it did in Vanilla or Burning Crusade.
[url=http://eu.battle.net/static-render/eu/thunderhorn/197/65337029-profilemain.jpg?alt=/wow/static/images/2d/profilemain/race/3-0.jpg]Transmog good y/n[/url]
[QUOTE=Hellsten;38611973]It's not really about nostalgia as he isn't saying he wants old WoW back, he's saying he wants that epic journey back which is exactly what WoW is missing. Today, I don't raid not because I'm not geared for it, but because I find it boring and unsatisfying. Nothing is pushing me to do it like it did in Vanilla or Burning Crusade.[/QUOTE]
I'm a little peeved with the direction the game is going myself, but for a bit of different reasons.
I will agree that accessibility is a problem, as leveling up now is much easier than when I played vanilla. I hardly got past 30 with 10x the effort I'm putting into my priest, who's still at 81 because I haven't touched the game in a bit. It felt difficult and that was its charm, although I was an alt whore so I ran a lot of the same shit several times and burned myself out on the game right quick.
I feel like leveling in itself is unrewarding. People always say how the real game starts at endgame. But really, after MoP, what fun is there in endgame? After playing GW2 I will never enjoy WoW's PVP, raiding seems like it's too much effort for a nearly immeasurable reward, and a lot of people just grind dailies and shit, which seems like it's not very much fun just to watch a bar go up.
The greatest joy I've had from the game is running 5 man instances. I like good gear as much as the next guy but the avenues with which to get them don't seem worthwhile anymore.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38612754]I'm a little peeved with the direction the game is going myself, but for a bit of different reasons.
I will agree that accessibility is a problem, as leveling up now is much easier than when I played vanilla. I hardly got past 30 with 10x the effort I'm putting into my priest, who's still at 81 because I haven't touched the game in a bit. It felt difficult and that was its charm, although I was an alt whore so I ran a lot of the same shit several times and burned myself out on the game right quick.
I feel like leveling in itself is unrewarding. People always say how the real game starts at endgame. But really, after MoP, what fun is there in endgame? After playing GW2 I will never enjoy WoW's PVP, raiding seems like it's too much effort for a nearly immeasurable reward, and a lot of people just grind dailies and shit, which seems like it's not very much fun just to watch a bar go up.
The greatest joy I've had from the game is running 5 man instances. I like good gear as much as the next guy but the avenues with which to get them don't seem worthwhile anymore.[/QUOTE]
The most fun I've had in WoW was going into Orgrimmar at 2 in the morning in wotlk before flying mounts at the back entrance with me as a paladin and a rogue friend, killing a low level shop owner and barricading ourselves inside the shop whilst a wave of low to high level horde players try to kill us to no avail. Eventually after half an hour of doing this we decided to leave Orgrimmar by mounting up on his mek chopper and ride out the front gates in style.
I enjoy this game because I have friends who make it enjoyable.
[QUOTE=RetaDepa;38612955]The most fun I've had in WoW was going into Orgrimmar at 2 in the morning in wotlk before flying mounts at the back entrance with me as a paladin and a rogue friend, killing a low level shop owner and barricading ourselves inside the shop whilst a wave of low to high level horde players try to kill us to no avail. Eventually after half an hour of doing this we decided to leave Orgrimmar by mounting up on his mek chopper and ride out the front gates in style.
I enjoy this game because I have friends who make it enjoyable.[/QUOTE]
All my friends go on for a few minutes, do their dailies and farmville shit, then sign off. Every day. The occasional raid.
If that's what I do when I hit 90, consider me done with the game. I'm not gonna pay $15 a month to be bored off my rocker.
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I enjoy this game because I have friends who make it enjoyable.[/QUOTE]
I actually miss some of my old WoW buddies, don't get me wrong, my guild is fully of nice people, just nobody i've clicked with, so most of the time i'm doing stuff solo, makes me feel like i'm missing out.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38612977]All my friends go on for a few minutes, do their dailies and farmville shit, then sign off. Every day. The occasional raid.
If that's what I do when I hit 90, consider me done with the game. I'm not gonna pay $15 a month to be bored off my rocker.[/QUOTE]
Theirs people like that in my guild too, i think theirs a degree of different people end-game. some people simply like playing, much like GW2's end-game they'll just find something to do, be it finding a new transmog set, or doing dungeons just for fun, or hell soloing old content.
I mean for me right now, i'm leveling a warlock just to have a character i can DPS with, but i love the fuck outta playing my Monk, and i really enjoy doing anything with her, hence i look at aiming to get more transmogs, which means a few hours soloing old content.
And they're people who just run a gear treadmill
[QUOTE=Protocol7;38612977]All my friends go on for a few minutes, do their dailies and farmville shit, then sign off. Every day. The occasional raid.
If that's what I do when I hit 90, consider me done with the game. I'm not gonna pay $15 a month to be bored off my rocker.[/QUOTE]
That is what this game devolves into for me, it seems. Hence why I only ever sign up for a month at a time, usually
Yeah I haven't even touched the game in the past month. There's no incentive for me to level anymore.
most fun i have is heading into random battlegrounds, mashing my CLEARLY SKILLED macro, and one-shotting people with 300k health. other than that I tend to play a random alt for awhile, do some dailies, fart around on the AH, then log out.
Speaking of alts, my mage alt. Good god I thought people were being melodramatic, complaining about the level 90 talents, but they're such a pain in the ass. You can either lose any mobility for 3-4 seconds every 40 seconds, all mobility the entire fight, or respectable dps.
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As for the accessibility thing, I completely agree with Preach. I played some in BC and while I never got terribly far, I remember that sense of 'I want to be that dude. I need to grind this, to grind that, to get there, to see this, to see that'. A lot of it was grindy, sure, and a lot of that was difficult. But I had fun doing it. I picked WoW back up late last expansion, near the beginning of the release of DS. I thought 'alright, time to grind up, get prepared, and start progressing.' That wasn't required. Sure, I got carried some by guildies with the latest gear and whatnot, but I also went in with raids full of people totally new to 85, or in shit gear, or whatever, and it just felt so empty. Great, I facerolled that raid, the big dragon fellow is dead, and.... and that's it. There's no sense of accomplishment, there's no 'oh my god i'm finally here. I've finally done it, the macguffin is saved and I've done it.', I just ran in willy-nilly and dropped the boss for some purples. MoP has only exacerbated this feeling. Days after dinging 90 and not having done much of anything I decided to go do a raid. Bought some masterwork spiritguard gear, the shield, slapped it on, and tanked MSV for the very first time. Granted, this was LFR, but my gear was shit, I had no experience, and you know what? It was completely faceroll. Elegon got stomped, this big awesome dragon thing, which terrified me when I first saw it. I saw the lore, saw these supposedly all-powerful bosses die after a couple hours, and I felt cheated. I felt like hey, I didn't earn my way here. I just strolled in and whomped these dudes with no prep, with no build-up, with no excitement. Then the same happened in HoF, and Terrace.
I understand that LFR isn't meant to be difficult, or is a stepping stone for gear, or whatever. But it's disappointing. You give us these lore-filled areas, all this tension building up to finally taking down these big dudes, and then you give us a backdoor key and say 'hey, no need to work for it. Just go kill him!'
I fully intend to see this expansion through to the end but unless something radical happens - as Preach addressed - I don't see any reason to hop back on the hamster wheel for the next expansion.
[QUOTE=Heigou;38611908]This guy is right and wrong.
I don't get a legendary or mystique feel about a raid I'll never get to see, I just feel locked out of content I pay for because of several reasons, be it population imbalance on my realm or not enough time to devote in the game, etc.[/QUOTE]
Its a pretty common misconception, you're not paying for the content. You're paying to have access to the game. The content is there whether or not you're paying for it. Its not like if you stop paying the content disappears.
[QUOTE=Hellsten;38610785][video=youtube;8rd0-zVIBVo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rd0-zVIBVo[/video][/QUOTE]
He is right and wrong, I mean on my server, Auchidoun and the guild im in is in the top 30 of the realm and we have people come to us and ask how we kill bosses, I mean were only 16/16n and 1/16 heroic (were starting heroics tomorrow) and I feel proud of doing these bosses where others havent.
But I did play Vanilla WoW and getting raids done was hard because of getting the players and they had to be attuned
And thats why I was glad that ToES was only accesable when you killed Empress.
But I agree they need to make bosses alot harder again and make a raid with more than 6 bosses :/
[QUOTE=OmegaRighteous;38617715]He is right and wrong, I mean on my server, Auchidoun and the guild im in is in the top 30 of the realm and we have people come to us and ask how we kill bosses, I mean were only 16/16n and 1/16 heroic (were starting heroics tomorrow) and I feel proud of doing these bosses where others havent.
But I did play Vanilla WoW and getting raids done was hard because of getting the players and they had to be attuned
And thats why I was glad that ToES was only accesable when you killed Empress.
But I agree they need to make bosses alot harder again and make a raid with more than 6 bosses :/[/QUOTE]
I think their reasoning that the reasons people weren't raiding a lot was precisely because they took so bloody long (especially when you account between assembling pubs who could do the raid, making sure everyone knew what to do, making sure everyone had enough time to do it, dealing with people leaving, ect.)
It was a hassle to no end, and by making raids shorter they hoped to encourage more people to do them by reducing that hassle
[QUOTE=calle7112;38640128]Err I just went into a dungeon and I get two achievements.. 25man Naxxramas and a FoS.
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How is this even possible? v:v:v[/QUOTE]
Bug, they're working on it.
I've been playing on a vanilla wow private server, and jesus christ I love it. It's not nastolgia, because I played in BC and I didn't do a lot of these quests or areas and mostly did dungeons. It feels more like an open world that I zone into with my character rather than a rail-roaded campaign. If anyone's into that, I'd suggest it.
I'm just getting into WoW and I'm really enjoying it, I tried playing a few times before on trials or private servers but it never hooked me because I didn't give it enough time.
Also, I can see why some people don't like the accessibility but I think it's great. A lot of early game questlines are pretty bland since they were designed 8 years ago, so it's nice you can level past that content relatively quickly. Wrath of the Lich King zones and quests are a lot of fun I'm glad I'm getting to experience this later game stuff. Usually in MMO's I never reach max level because it just takes too long and is very boring but in WoW getting to max level is not such an unattainable goal as I think it is for other games.
Also also, I don't get why a lot of people think GW2 is better than WoW. I HATE the questing system in Guild Wars 2, the renown heart areas are some of the most boring grind I've done in any MMO, and the instances aren't very enjoyable either. I get how the fast paced combat is probably fun in PVP but for PvE I honestly felt like I was just mashing things whenever they were off cooldown.
Anyways, TLDR as a new player, I like WoW, don't like GW2.
[QUOTE=futuramaguy4;38647289]I'm just getting into WoW and I'm really enjoying it, I tried playing a few times before on trials or private servers but it never hooked me because I didn't give it enough time.
Also, I can see why some people don't like the accessibility but I think it's great. A lot of early game questlines are pretty bland since they were designed 8 years ago, so it's nice you can level past that content relatively quickly. Wrath of the Lich King zones and quests are a lot of fun I'm glad I'm getting to experience this later game stuff. Usually in MMO's I never reach max level because it just takes too long and is very boring but in WoW getting to max level is not such an unattainable goal as I think it is for other games.
Also also, I don't get why a lot of people think GW2 is better than WoW. I HATE the questing system in Guild Wars 2, the renown heart areas are some of the most boring grind I've done in any MMO, and the instances aren't very enjoyable either. I get how the fast paced combat is probably fun in PVP but for PvE I honestly felt like I was just mashing things whenever they were off cooldown.
Anyways, TLDR as a new player, I like WoW, don't like GW2.[/QUOTE]
GW2 isn't about questing or "Hearts", it's about exploring.
[QUOTE=Rammlied;38647133]I've been playing on a vanilla wow private server, and jesus christ I love it. It's not nastolgia, because I played in BC and I didn't do a lot of these quests or areas and mostly did dungeons. It feels more like an open world that I zone into with my character rather than a rail-roaded campaign. If anyone's into that, I'd suggest it.[/QUOTE]
I'm playing on [URL="http://www.emeralddream.com/info"]this[/URL] right now.
[QUOTE=Hellsten;38648777]I'm playing on [URL="http://www.emeralddream.com/info"]this[/URL] right now.[/QUOTE]
Is it Vanillagaming or WoW-One?
I played some on both, got like 4-5 60's.
I don't know what either of those things is. I don't usually play on priviate servers.
But this server is good because it is 100% blizzlike and it has a good amount of players.
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OH and there's no shitty voting or donating rewards.
What's people's opinions on ElvUI
I use it on retail and I like it alot. Very easy to configure nowadays, only had to change one line in the player and target unitframes module code.
Escort quests cause me profuse rectal bleeding.
[QUOTE=Hellsten;38650595]I don't know what either of those things is. I don't usually play on priviate servers.
But this server is good because it is 100% blizzlike and it has a good amount of players.[/QUOTE]
WoW-One has like 2000-2500 players online on peak on their vanilla server, and pretty much the same on their TBC server.
[QUOTE=TextQUAKE;38651125]Escort quests cause me profuse rectal bleeding.[/QUOTE]
They give me stomach ulcers.
[QUOTE=Hellsten;38648777]I'm playing on [URL="http://www.emeralddream.com/info"]this[/URL] right now.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, same here. It's refreshing.
any facepunch guilds on high pop servers?
maybe one day US and EU servers will be united with good ping rates.
[QUOTE=Vasili;38666612]maybe one day US and EU servers will be united with good ping rates.[/QUOTE]
I wish, then I wouldn't have to deal with illiterate Swedish children
[QUOTE=zerotwelve;38666801]I wish, then I wouldn't have to deal with illiterate Swedish children[/QUOTE]
I know that feel, and I'm swedish.
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